Ancient Craving

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Format Legality
Vintage Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Legacy Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal

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Set Rarity
Commander 2015 Rare
Duel Decks: Sorin vs. Tibalt Rare
Starter 1999 Rare
Portal Second Age Rare

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Ancient Craving

Sorcery

You draw three cards and you lose 3 life.

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Ancient Craving Discussion

Chuff_Bucket on More Life, More Problems

1 week ago

I actually like this build a lot, it seems pretty functional already! Lots of fun little interactions and ways to abuse your lifegain.

That being said, here are my suggestions:

First, you need more sources of card draw - at least a couple more. Harmonize, Ambition's Cost/Ancient Craving, Erebos, God of the Dead, Damnable Pact, Bloodgift Demon, Harvester of Souls, Painful Truths, Promise of Power, and Wretched Confluence are all good options. Decree of Pain pulls double duty in being a board-wipe and a hand-refiller!

In order to make room for a couple of those, I would cut Ghostly Prison and Faith's Reward. For Ghostly Prison, you're already padding your life total a lot, so that will mitigate any attacks coming your way. Additionally, you're playing a lot of big, scary stuff that people aren't going to want to swing in to anyway. It doesn't really seem to go with the gameplan of the deck. With Faith's Reward, I've always found this card to underperform. In a permanent-heavy deck like this, very rarely are you going to want to hold up 4 mana on the off-chance that your opponent uses a boardwipe. And even if you wanted to use this in conjunction with your own, that's a minimum of 8 mana right there. There are better things to be doing at that stage of the game. I can just foresee that a lot of the time, that card will be a dead card in your hand.

Another thing that sticks out to me is that you have a LOT of high-CMC creatures. In fact, of all your creatures currently in the deck, only 5 are below CMC 4. You may want to consider eschewing some of those bigger CMC creatures for smaller ones that will help you out - stuff like Soul Warden, Soul's Attendant, Essence Warden, maybe Ayli, Eternal Pilgrim. You don't want to get stuck with an empty board by the time Ikra Shadiqi hits the board!

TheRedGoat on Pattern Recognition #32 - Functional ...

2 weeks ago

@ClockworkSwordfish: I've played and consequently lost a lot of games to elf-ramp-centric EDH strategies and the only names I've ever heard those deck types called is either "Elfball" or "Elf Cancer" (because they can be disgusting in how quickly they win the game when built right).

They are more or less a play-group warping type of deck that demands other players build in a manner that can stop them or they just lose. Many other tribal deck types, Slivers especially, are capable of doing this in addition to stax or even combo decks like those built with Leovold, Emissary of Trest or Breya, Etherium Shaper. With the latter options being banned because as opposed to the tribal strategy, they are not stopped dead by one well timed Damnation.

@berryjon: Would you say that cards like Ancient Craving and Ambition's Cost count as functional reprints of Concentrate or Harmonize? If they do, would you think red will ever get a similar card to that specific example?

Also, I figure you're "retwistment" card is a reference to Wheel of Fortune, but how do Wheel of Fate and Magus of the Wheel not break the functional reprint rule? Or am I confused about when some of these were printed?

rhystictutor on Ghave, Guru of Spores

2 months ago

I also noticed you're lacking in card draw which usually wins games in EDH: Phyrexian Arena, Sylvan Library, Ambition's Cost/Ancient Craving, Armorcraft Judge/Inspiring Call, Shamanic Revelation/Collective Unconscious, Elemental Bond, Mentor of the Meek, Syphon Mind, Dark Prophecy, Carnage Altar/Phyrexian Vault, Harvester of Souls, Promise of Power, Decree of Pain (so good), Infernal Offering... this would be a decent pool to pick out of. I personally try to run as much draw as possible. IMO, you'd want to run atleast 6 draw cards on a curve. On top of more draw spells, you could also go the Land Tax + Scroll Rack route. It depends on how much ya have to spend on cards :P

LeaPlath on Sapling, Hell-Spawn Of Colfenor

2 months ago

Quite light on the draw. I would include either a draw engine like Necropotence or something like Phyrexian Arena and Ancient Craving.

Ikra Shidiqi, the Usurper might not be a treefolk, but they help.

Verdeloth the Ancient is a lord who can also vomit a lot of tokens down.

Abzan Beastmaster is some draw power.

Gift of the Deity, Burgeoning, Cankerous Thirst, Rending Vines, Life/Death, Worldslayer all seem a bit lakcluster. I get what you are going for with World but it isn't that amazing. Swiftfoot Boots seem great for this very voltronny deck.

KALE434 on Nicol Bolas, Tyrant of Worlds

2 months ago

Awesome deck dude very sweet! Love me some good Nico Bolas! Just a couple of suggestions though would you consider running Ambition's Cost or Ancient Craving i know they're a little expensive but i find the splash-ability of them to kinda help. Anyways just a thought, Again awesome deck!

WargRave on Lusus Naturae

2 months ago

Hi, nice deck! I like the theme. I've got a few suggestions, if they're not what you're looking for pay me no mind.

You mention a combo with Gutter Grime and Altar of Dementia, but Gutter Grime says nontoken. I don't know if you consider the combo critical to their inclusion since they both work fine alone though.

Baton of Morale is cute, but it seems worse than simple Whispersilk Cloak at giving Sidisi more attack triggers, and I don't see where it fits the flavor.

You've got Sultai Banner and no Commander's Sphere, so that's a fairly easy swap.

35 lands and average CMC 4 seems low, even counting the emerge effect. There are still more good budget lands available: Temple of the False God, Evolving Wilds/Terramorphic Expanse, (which are probably better than Foul Orchard, but I don't know if that's included for flavor) and Drownyard Temple which synergizes with self-mill and fits in Innistrad flavor too. There's hardly any ramp here, what about Rampant Growth, Cultivate, etc?

Draw looks really light too, especially for UBG. I don't know if you are bound to flavor to the point of rejecting good ol' Concentrate, but we can find some on theme things like Treasure Cruise that appreciate the milling. Ancient Craving at least sounds like eldritch horror, and Read the Bones, Night's Whisper, and Sign in Blood all sort of work too. Sift seems better than Amass the Components since you'd rather discard than put to bottom, though Sift has no flavor.

It's also light on artifact/enchantment removal to my eye. Reclamation Sage, Bane of Progress, and others fill this role while also being creatures to give Sidisi zombies.

As for what to take out that I haven't mentioned, what catches my eye as not pulling their weight are Altar of the Brood (without an infinite combo this will just help opponents), Enlightened Maniac (low impact, no graveyard synergy), Ludevic's Test Subject  Flip (slow), Geralf's Masterpiece, Momir Vig, Simic Visionary (not a huge number of triggers for him, the only other blue AND green creature is Sidisi), and Brood Monitor (Nice with blink effects but you haven't any).

Alkadron on Olivia, Mobilized For Madness

2 months ago

This looks pretty cool!

I don't have much experience with vampire tribal, but I have a lot of experience playing EDH, and I have two suggestions:

1) cards like Cunning Lethemancer, Rummaging Goblin, and Academy Raider will probably disappoint you. They're decent discard outlets, the problem is that you have to wait a turn before you can use them, and EDH is a wasteland of creature boardwipes and creature removal. I would try to focus more on instants, sorceries, and maybe artifacts that allow you to draw and discard. Anvil of Bogardan is pretty solid. Jalum Tome is cheap. Tormenting Voice might be good.

2) My other suggestion is that your deck is pretty streamlined and has lots of discard outlets; it seems like you're going to inevitably run out of gas. So I'd try to fit in more draw cards. Syphon Mind is pretty outstanding, and appropriately vampiric, as are Ancient Craving and Sign in Blood. Decree of Pain is fantastic.

LeaPlath on Oros, The War of Life

2 months ago

Might just be me, but Serra Ascendant I find makes you a target and isn't a fun card to play against.

I don't like Sunforger with only 8 targets. I would up the counter of cards it can fetch, Vindicate can become Utter End for example (is hitting lands an issue?).

And I don't think Aid is that great, with how many targets it has/the theme of the deck. I would argue, swords aren't so hot in EDH and don't need to be in every deck, and you've got a cool theme here that you could tune and work on without them, which would free up like 5-6 slots.

If you want to do the draining thing, Firemane Angel is a fun, flavourful card that gains a bit of life. Searing Meditation grinds it into damage which hopefully you can turn into more life. Cliffhaven Vampire is always fun, but I think you need more incidental life gain. Treasury Thrull seems an odd card to be lacking given all your other, much weaker extort. Pontiff of Blight is also a sure in.

Knights of the Black Rose is a bad card, but it does open up a lot more interesting political play. If your meta is durdly play it to encourage attacks a lot more.

I also feel you are a bit light on draw. Either I would include draw engines, such as Well of Lost Dreams and Necropotence, or just more draw spells like Ancient Craving.

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