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Dark Prophecy Discussion
5 days ago
Hmmm, going a pure aristocrats route could work. I like having the consistent token generators for things like that, such as:
If you have a decent lifegain engine going, than something like Carnival of Souls could work really well for ramp, but depends when you're getting tokens. Black Market also helps with mana, but 5cmc isn't easy to get out early to pick up those counters.
Decent cards that work on death triggers: Dark Prophecy and Smothering Abomination trigger even if a token dies and can provide some great card draw. Jar of Eyeballs is a strange little card. It lets you not only tutor, but arrange your deck. Proper Burial provides life gain and triggers even on a token's death. Requiem Angel is another high cmc card, but it can really net you a lot of tokens.
1 week ago
First, you seem to be missing 2 cards, you've only got 98 in your list.
Now for some suggestions...
Reconnaissance needs to be in this list. It allows you to attack with every creature, untap to avoid bad blocks, untap after first strike damage but before normal damage, and even untap after normal combat damage is dealt due to the creature being 'attacking' until the end of combat step ends (you untap in the middle of this step).
Now for a few cards with much smaller explanations lol...
Boros Charm - wraths are the bane of this deck, protect your board. Talisman of Indulgence/Fellwar Stone both deserve spots. Shared Animosity needs to be in the deck, not just the maybe pile. Diabolic Intent should replace Diabolic Tutor. Sorin, Solemn Visitor is better here by far for his lifelink your team +1 than your 2 current Sorins combined.
Now creatures... and I'd up your creature count to at least 33. Legion Loyalist, Rakish Heir, Yahenni, Undying Partisan, Mirror Entity, Dusk Legion Zealot and consider more flyers like Falkenrath Aristocrat and Voldaren Pariah Flip.
Anyways, I hope this helps and feel free to check out my list for ideas. Edgar's Dega Vampires. Upvotes on any of my lists is appreciated.
2 weeks ago
Let me see if I can remember what I originally typed...
I basically seconded the Genesis Chamber suggestion - that card is nuts with Bloodsoaked Champion and Nether Traitor. If you want to go more towards that kind of "whenever a non-token creature enters/dies" thing, I'd consider including Reassembling Skeleton. These can all be tutored by Buried Alive or Corpse Connoisseur and if you decide to include the latter one, Gravecrawler could also be a worthy addition even if your deck's zombie count ain't otherwise that high. These weenies that come back from the graveyard also work really well with Pawn of Ulamog and Ogre Slumlord that someone already suggested.
Carnival of Souls might work here too if you wanna go more combo oriented. I think the card might actually work pretty well with your commander.
2 weeks ago
I second Genesis Chamber. That card can be a house with Nether Traitor and Bloodsoaked Champion. You can add in Reassembling Skeleton too and you can reliably get one (or all) of them with Corpse Connoisseur or Buried Alive. If you decide to 'Connoisseur Gravecrawler can work too, allthough your zombie count otherwise doesn't seem that high.
If you wanna go combo(ish), Carnival of Souls might actually be good with your commander. Also, I've found out that Smothering Abomination and Dark Prophecy are pretty good sources of card draw in these decks.
Hope that helps! :)
3 weeks ago
I have yet another completely different way to build this deck. This is my sixth time typing this comment, because my damn internet keeps cutting out. I'm starting to get very irritated. That being said, I'm gonna try and be brief about this.
It's gravestorm. Get as many deathtriggers as you can in one turn.
You could also run a few infinite combos if you want:
There's a deck that does exactly what I'm talking about, and it does it very well. It's cEDH, and you're probably not looking for that, but it is a good way to see what I mean if you don't already. Garna The Broflame
I hope I've adequately served my Queen!
1 month ago
A few comments. First, what in the **** is your meta where this needs to be a thing? I'm just...kind blown away that you would need to be absolutely this fast. Anyway, card suggestions:
Easy includes off the top of my head are Doomfall, Plaguecrafter (strictly better than Fleshbag Marauder), Phyrexian Obliterator, maybe Crypt Ghast for more mana, Glaring Spotlight and Arcane Lighthouse (lay down the hate on hexproof), and Sudden Spoiling (can't be countered)! Also, you can't play Sparring Collar in mono black.
I also think some better card draw would be useful, and Phyrexian Arena isn't that great if the games are going very short. Instead, consider instant effects like Ambition's Cost, Ancient Craving, Dark Prophecy, Night's Whisper, Read the Bones, or Midnight Reaper.
I know you want everything to be cheap, but I'd recommend at least a few spells that can serve as bombs if the game gets to later rounds. Maybe something like Exsanguinate, Killing Wave, or Torment of Hailfire.
If you're interested in the combo, go for Mikaeus + Walking Ballista. :)
I also thought of Leonin Bladetrap, though that card isn't great...
Finally, quick question. In the description you mention equipment that grants deathtouch, but I don't see any in the actual deck. Is that still something you wanted to do?
1 month ago
1 month ago
Avacyn, Angel of Hope doesn't seem super on theme or really that useful. I mean, yeah, it's really good. But it's also 8 mana and for 8 mana I feel like you should be winning the game. Not just protecting your 1/1s or whatever you have out.
Pallid Mycoderm, Rot Shambler, Savage Thallid, Sporecrown Thallid, Sporemound, Sporesower Thallid, and Sporoloth Ancient. I think all of them are either overcosted for what they offer, or don't offer enough. I think the best out of these is Sporemound, but I'm not sure it's good enough. You don't really ramp all that hard, and you'll have so many 1/1s anyway that I don't think it'll matter if you get a couple extra. I think these could all be replaced by more 'value' oriented cards.
Verdant Force is simply overcosted. Remove.
Trostani, Selesnya's Voice is out of place. Populating a 1/1 for 3 mana and a tap is a bad feeling, and gaining 1 life from each is trivial and could be done with Suture Priest or any soul sister (and better too). Also Trostani's mana cost is steeper than it seems (from experience).
Fungal Plots is just kinda weak. I'm super against self-gy hate, and this is no exception. You're paying 4 mana and a card for a 1/1, and then you can maybe sac 2 more creatures for some life and a draw. There are much better options for card advantage AND tokens (I'll get into it later).
Intangible Virtue is out of place. An army of 2/2 vigilance's isn't amazing, especially because your saprolings WANT to die (to slimefoot and Blood Artist and others), so tapping to attack isn't an issue. You already have other, better, team buffs so I don't really think this fits.
Night Soil is just kinda meh. It's a tougher restriction than it seems (both from the same yard).
Along with this, I don't like Necrogenesis in general, but at least it gy-hates opponents and is something you can do if you have mana left up. An early cut if you still wanna cut some stuff, but fine to leave.
Primal Vigor can backfire hard. I don't think it's worth tbh. Also the mana cost is steep for something that doesn't do anything by itself.
True Conviction is just super out of place, and that mana cost is super rough. Absolutely cut. If you were gonna have a mana cost with WWW, it's gonna be Avacyn (but it's gonna be neither).
Verdant Embrace is just too costly for what it does and what you need. If it was like 3 mana and didn't give the +3/+3, that would work, but as is it's too costly and you'll almost certainly not get a lot of value from it because people will murder the creature it's on immediately.
Honestly, I've never liked Second Harvest. It's a terrible card if you're losing and if you cast it and win, you probably would've already won anyway. It seems like win-more to me. Most cards that do nothing on their own I think are kinda meh.
I have no idea how to feel about Vona's Hunger. I'd consider removing just because if you're using this to clear a board, they're gonna keep their best shit anyway, and this is pretty trash against other token decks. The mana cost and instant speed is a nice +, but I'm not sure it's enough here.
You have a lot of lands. I like running fewer lands (35) but having about ~10 sources of ramp. I'll try to figure some out as we progress.
Fungal Sprouting does nothing on it's own and I am having a tough time envisioning it being really useful. Getting 5 1/1s is great for Ghave, but for 4 mana and sorcery speed, I feel you could be doing more. It's fine for now, but consider it an early cut if needed.
Glare of Subdual. This is a tough one. On the one hand, tapping down the voltron player (Seth's cats or my dragons or Zac's Tuvasa) is super dope. On the other hand, tapping is not removal and it relies on you having a creature to spare to tap. It's also 4 mana. I'd probably remove. If it was 1WG, I'd think it was good.
I strongly recommend not having more than 8 enchantments. You have 16 right now and that's just too many without some heavy enchantment recursion.
Okay. We got through it boys. Let's go to our suggestions and recommendations. This next section will include cards in your maybe board that I think are good and should go to mainboard.
Anafenza, the Foremost, because who doesn't like incidental GY hate on an aggressively costed body. 3 mana for a 4/4 that GY hates is something that your opponents need to answer, and more often than not their removal will be worth more to them than Anafenza is worth to you.
Elenda, the Dusk Rose is a card I've always wanted to work and this might be it. Being able to sac a huge board and then herself seems like great value. The issue with Elenda is that she can be exiled, but your commander is a sac outlet which protects against that. I think she could be a powerhouse in this deck ESPECIALLY because her tokens have lifelink. Never underestimate lifelink on tokens.
Juniper Order Ranger is just gravy. 5 mana for a boi that gets progressively larger and boosts your board is something that needs to be answered to. This will either force a boardwipe or spot removal and honestly either a win for you.
Shalai, Voice of Plenty is good. Really good. I don't think it's bad to put it in this deck.
Retribution of the Ancients is super interesting and could be a powerhouse. I'm inclined to include it as instant speed removal that works on indestructible things at a minimum cost to yourself seems very good. Sure, you'll be using 3-5 counters each time, but ideally that won't be an issue since. Also it's at a mana cost price you just can't do better than.
Everything from maybeboard I didn't mention is a no.
End of Maybeboard Recommendations
Uhh, where's my babe Elspeth, Sun's Champion at?? 6 mana for either a conditional boardwipe that won't hit you that often, or for 3 token bois seems like a good deal. And if you manage to ult, you win. No one can stop a flying army of 3/3s.
Eldrazi Monument. We already talked about it but just wanna have it written down here.
Pir, Imaginative Rascal. Fucking gravy. Works with Ghave super well but also Elspeth and also your dudes who put spore counters on themselves. This is a must include. I'm kind of surprised he wasn't already in the list tbh.
Fecundity can be absolutely nutty. Sure, it helps your opponents, but it is very unlikely it'll help them more than it helps you. Also a may trigger so it won't hurt you if you don't want it to.
Dark Prophecy is also insane, tho the self damage could become hazardous. I'll recommend some things to combat this as the card is a powerhouse, even with the BBB mana cost. Remember, being at 5 life and winning is the same as being at 40 life and winning.
Loyal Guardian is a new card which could do work. Early cut, but I'll put it here if you need to fill out your creatures.
Heroic Intervention is the single best protection spell in green. It's basically a green Teferi's Protection for your turn and it cannot be overstated how good it is at the right time. It is the difference between "I win next turn" and "Man nice boardwipe, GG." And for 2 mana too. It's bonkers. Must include.
Cryptolith Rite is disgusting. You've played slivers so you know how good Gemhide is. This is too. I think this is a must.
Zulaport Cutthroat is nice redundancy for your combo win and also nice incidental lifegain (which helps counteract Dark Prophecy's life cost).
Forgotten Ancient is bonkers. Will always become a threat and require removal. It's just good.
Hangarback Walker is solid. Dump whatever mana you have into it, gives you something to do EoT, and you'll almost always get the death trigger since your commander is a sac outlet.
Scavenging Ooze. Graveyard hate is good, and incidental synergy with counter is even better. Just a super efficient card and usually comes something that needs to be removed sooner rather than later. Using the ability as an instant in response to a 'return from graveyard' spell is a joy.
Abzan Charm is good at any point of the game. Removal, counters, card advantage. Maybe the best charm out of all of them. Cannot be overstated. This is a must include.
You have no boardwipes. What the hell. You need at least 4 in almost every deck, but you will be fine with 3 here since you have Elspeth and Dictate of Erebos. I recommend Day of Judgment, Merciless Eviction (best boardwipe ever printed ever), Austere Command (wipe everything but your 0 CMC tokens and you'll usually open a board up for swings) and Living Death. More on Living Death below.
Living Death is a pet card of mine. Mostly because of how bonkers it is. 5 mana for a boardwipe that makes everyone sac their hexproof/indestructible creatures, and then get's you everything you need back. Ideally you'll have something like Aura Shards or Dictate out as you cast this to thin your opponents board afterwards. Also, with Anafenza, Necrogenesis, Scavenging Ooze and Bojuka Bog, you should be getting more value back than anyone else consistently.
Dread Return is good. 4 mana to bring something back is the going rate and saccing 3 creatures to bring something back is double upside since more often than not saccing creatures is good. With Blood Artist that gains you 3 life and someone loses 3, with Fecundity or Dark Prophecy, you just drew 3 cards for FREE. Stupid.
Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite is always always always a powerhouse. Clears the board and puts you absurdly far ahead in terms of board presence. If you have the money, put it in.
I know you're not huge on tutors, but Razaketh, the Foulblooded and Sidisi, Undead Vizier are good. Can help find answers or just combo pieces to close out a long game. If you only want one, put Razaketh because at the end of the day, an 8/8 flample for 8 is good.
Carrion Feeder is good because instant speed sac outlets with incidental counter value is good. Sac a creature, get a counter, remove counter to get another creature is good. Essentially, with Fecundity/Dark Prophecy, Ghave, and Carrion Feeder out, they read "Pay 1 mana, draw a card" and that's good. Add in Blood Artist and it's even better, and add in Pir and Ashnod's and you win. 5/6 card combos are still combos. Also Carrion is a 1 mana sac outlet and that's really good.
Requiem Angel is a card I've always wanted to use but never found the place. This might be it, chief. Essentially doubling your token count for ability activations and sac triggers, plus turns your measly 1/1 saps into 1/1 fliers, which is a huge boost.
I'd remove Aura Mutation and replace it with both Putrefy and Mortify. The reason is that I often find myself holding onto Aura Mutation hoping to get good value from it, but oftentimes I should just use it on a 2 drop enchantment like Cryptolith Rite or something. Mortify and Putrify also double as modal cards, making them never a dead card if you draw them.
You need more ramp. There is no way around it. But you need more. Cultivate, Kodamas, Nature's Lore, Farseek, etc etc. No mana rocks besides Sol Ring. You're green, use it. You could also run things like Primal Druid that give value when they die, since this is a sacrifice deck. I'd scryfall "dies/enter search library land battlefield" and choose your favorite.
Mindless Automaton just seems fun. Depending on how easy it is to put counters on stuff, this may work. Early cut for sure.
Thats all I got for now. I'll comment again if I think of more.