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Tidespout Tyrant Discussion
2 weeks ago
Thanks for the suggestions Daedalus19876!
The problem with Polymorph is that it hits legendary creatures as well. I run four legendaries that I would rather not waste a Jalira ability on.
Sunder is honestly a great idea. I'll playtest it when I have time.
I was thinking about taking Darksteel Colossus out anyway, but I already tried it with Stormtide Leviathan. Tidespout Tyrant seems just overall like I would rather have one of the other three instead at any given moment. I might add Pathrazer of Ulamog, but it seems like I could be fine with just the other three creatures.
I tried the navigator after it was suggested, but it never really worked unless I tried REALLY hard to get the city's blessing.
Thanks for the unfortunate insight on Kaho, Minamo Historian. I thought it was just Isochron Scepter on a stick. Darn. Also, 'dramatic scepter'?! Cross between Isochron Scepter and Dramatic Reversal I guess :)
2 weeks ago
Have you considered including Polymorph to be able to do Jalira's effect without needing her on the field (and thus when your opponents do not expect it)?
You could also run effects like Sunder to make your opponents unable to respond once you do drop your finisher. I'd also run an Eldrazi with Annihilator before I ran Darksteel Colossus, but that's more of a personal taste thing. I concur with the statement about Timestream Navigator, by the way. Other possible options are Tidespout Tyrant, Stormtide Leviathan, or Pathrazer of Ulamog.
I wish you the best of luck with this deck! :)
2 weeks ago
A few cards which feel like they are a must add to this deck:
Tidespout Tyrant + Sol Ring or Grim Monilith or Mana Crypt or Mana Vault = Infinite Colorless Mana
Trophy Mage (tutor for Staff of Domination, Rings, Basalt)
Would Run them all if you can...
3 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
Thanks for your suggestions griffstick. I looked at Elvish Piper for the first draft of this deck, but I don't usually have that many creatures stuck in hand to play. The way this deck is built most of the creatures synergize with themselves, so they are good when I have multiple of them, but are usually not very powerful even when cheated in.
Deceiver of Form is the main way this deck cheats creatures in without paying mana costs, so it only has to reach 7 or 8 mana most of the time, which happens quite consistently by turn 5 or 6 since there's a good amount of ramp. I don't usually cast the other big creatures but put them back on top of the library for Deceiver to turn all my creatures into copies of that big creature. Defense of the Heart also cheats them in early, and Tooth and Nail is still a 50% discount on 2 creatures that cost 8 mana.
The only other big creature I cast usually is Razaketh, the Foulblooded, which can start sacrificing creatures and paying back the mana by finding mana rocks, Natural Affinity, and Gaea's Cradle, and just set up a win. I only cast Tidespout Tyrant if I have a cheap artifact in hand that I can immediately use to bounce Mana Crypt and produce infinite mana.
The Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker and Zealous Conscripts combo is a good way to generate an infinite number of creatures, but then having such a strong infinite combo takes away focus from the Deceiver combos in the deck.
Keiga, the Tide Star is definitely on the radar since it works quite well with Deceiver.
I usually win after casting Insurrection so there isn't a need for sac outlets, but I might consider Greater Good since I often make big creatures and need card draw. I did consider Molten Primordial but it's only one mana cheaper than Insurrection and steals a lot fewer creatures.
I should definitely consider Bringer of the Black Dawn since I can cast it for 5 mana and free tutors every turn are pretty good for this deck. The only downside is that having more than one Bringer isn't helpful because each tutor shuffles away the previous one.
3 weeks ago
Hi ThallionDarkshine! Your judgment is really astute for someone who hasn't played the deck before (presumably), so I really appreciate the time you've taken to look through the cards. I've found Bear Umbra to underperform, although the mana is useful for making more tokens with Sliver Queen. Expedition Map is my top pick out of the land tutors suggested since it doesn't require colored mana, and is potentially another combo piece for Tidespout Tyrant if drawn later. Windreader Sphinx has been doing pretty good as well especially with Scroll Rack to dig even deeper. I'll keep testing and see if more draw would feel smoother.
3 weeks ago
Keiga, the Tide Star goes really good with Rite of Replication. Another cool combo with Keiga, the Tide Star is having it in the graveyard and Feldon of the Third Path in play. It gets better with Seedborn Muse allowing you to do it every turn.
You got Alot of really big spells I think you should consider more cheating of mana cost stuff like Quicksilver Amulet, Dragon Arch, Selvala's Stampede, Lure of Prey, Believe, and Hunting Grounds these are good for cheating of mana cost. Now for stealing of stuff. You need Zealous Conscripts and Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker combo because some of your tutors that get more then 1 creature. I'd throw in Splinter Twin too that works with Alot of things like Zealous Conscripts, Keiga, the Tide Star, Omnath, Locust of Rage and so on.
So Insurrection is a great way to win the game out of nowhere but it also doubles as removal giving you have the ways to do that. I really like Demonmail Hauberk and Grafted Wargear. But some times its good to be able to instantly sad Your Own stuff in response to someone else. Phyrexian Altar or Food Chain is good for that.
Bringer of the Black Dawn is a good one to cheat in.
1 month ago
elfric Tjanks a lot for your feedback. I started brewing this deck earlier this week, so i'm trying to optimize all the slots yet.
You are correct that I don't have many discard outlets. Reanimation is not the main line of this deck, control is. The only Fatty I would certainly not remove is Tidespout Tyrant.
I have added some description to the deck, please refer to that when analyzing it.
Sphinx is a card that I would certainly expect to hard cast. I would certainly not entomb it, not even in intuition.
Survival of the fittest is a discard outlet but is also a tutor, so i can get aven mindcensor, deathrite shaman or even seedborn muse. It also works for finding and discarding the reanimate targets of course. JVP works perfectly as a discard outlet and card advantage/control piece.
As my intention is to win by overehrlming my opponents in card advatage and not to fast combo them, I don't see place for razaketh now.