|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Printings View all
|Born of the Gods (BNG)||Common|
|Duel Decks: Venser vs. Koth (DDI)||Common|
|Scars of Mirrodin (SOM)||Common|
Combos Browse all
Exile target artifact or enchantment.
Price & Acquistion Set Price Alerts
|Have (10)||ZombieFood , maR2307 , Friedrice24 , ironax , Fiolek , CAPTAINxCOOKIES , sombrevivo , Yawkcorb , Candyman949 , Vasbear1|
Revoke Existence Discussion
1 week ago
With a heavy Equipment theme you aren't going to have much room for utility. A such, all non-card-draw utility cards should probably be removal. I would include at least two board wipes (more is often better, depends on your meta). Blasphemous Act and maybe Rout are good budget options. Vandalblast is sick. I'm super big on enchantment removal so Return to Dust is S-tier outstanding. Not super budget but not expensive either. I like Ray of Distortion a lot. It's very mana-intensive but the fact that you can do it twice is awesome in EDH. Dust to Dust will be handy. Lots of artifacts in EDH. I kind of like Revoke Existence since artifact recursion is common.
There is lots of random utility to find out there. Reconnaissance and Dolmen Gate are usually great for aggro decks but your commander makes it far less necessary. Perhaps Brave the Sands and Always Watching . Fervor and Hammer of Purphoros are sick too. Ogre Battledriver is nice but not a samurai.
2 weeks ago
You need to remove those painlands, since you are mono color, they are useless. Replace them with utility lands like: Maze of Ith, Sea Gate Wreckage, Flagstones of Trokair, Mistveil Plains, Kjeldoran Outpost, etc.
3 weeks ago
Pawn of Ulamog would make Thoughtpicker Witch infinite...with all of these changes, do you think Gravecrawler is still relevant? The only reason it's valuable is because you can bring it back, but it can't block and can only work with other zombies. I'll sideboard Celestial Flare and add in Bone Splinters, will probably sideboard a few Revoke Existence. Then thinking of dropping Journey to Nowhere and using Faith's Shield to protect Viscera Seer or Solemnity. Shaping up to be a tough deck!!
3 weeks ago
1 month ago
Hey there! Cool deck you have here! I have a few budget suggestions for you:
- Merciless Eviction
- Orzhov Signet
- Treasury Thrull
- Drana's Emissary
- Bloodgift Demon
- Obzedat, Ghost Council
- Gray Merchant of Asphodel
- Ashen Rider
- Angel of Despair
- Archfiend of Depravity
- Death Grasp
- Obzedat's Aid
- Sign in Blood
- Revoke Existence
- Forsake the Worldly
- End Hostilities
- Sol Ring
- Solemn Simulacrum
- Underworld Connections
If you'd like some more detailed comments and/or suggestions, feel free to leave a comment on my profile! Hope this helps, and enjoy!
1 month ago
I think you could cut glacial chasm and ice floe
cut distress, single card discard in commander is hard to use effectivly. If you want this type of effect add Sadistic Hypnotist.
Cut Kalitas, Bloodchief of Ghet for being to expensive and not inpacting the board fast enough.
Well that's a lot of suggestions, if you'd like to debate any of them I'd be more than happy to!
Good luck spreading vampirism!
1 month ago
I'm tickled to death with your thoughtfully snide reply. I'm hard-headed, snotty, snide, and argumentative to a fault, so you can only imagine the supreme joy I feel as I write this ridiculous, lengthy response. And I mean that - I'm not being sarcastic.
Manabarbs and Stuffy Doll both have a high CMC, and, in a boros deck, there's not really space for any mana ramp. Which means the curve is going to be bad. Along with Pariah, the absolute soonest the entire combo could hit would be T6, and that wouldn't be an instant win at all. Which means, no matter how many sub 3CMC spells are in the deck, it's not going to get to a win any faster. If I throw in enough tutors to get the Doll and the 'barbs, then it's going to take up so much space, the deck will be much less "protected" early game - it would mean I'd be less likely to draw disruption and without the disruption slots, it would be even more vital to get the combo out, meaning casting tutors with nothing but land out. These are the reasons, while seeming good, both Stuffy Doll and Manabarbs aren't remotely competitive - they're too slow to cast and too slow to win. Building a deck with both is laughable. If it isn't clear, I don't take this deck seriously at all.
Pay No Heed is here because 1) it stops many infinite damage combos, and 2) it stops Manabarbs for a turn, which can be really useful when I can't draw a Stuffy Doll and a Pariah. Because it says "damage" and not "combat damage", it is very useful, much more so than angel song which has a higher CMC and does nothing against the 'barbs or burn, etc.
Phyrexian Unlife is very useful without Solemnity. Solemnity is the half that isn't particularly useful - sure it's good against Predator Ooze and the like, but otherwise, without Unlife, it does less than Pariah - essentially a dead card. Unlife, on the other hand, is basically a risky +10 life, which is really useful in a slow, grindy deck.
Curse of Exhaustion is bad, but manly because of it's high CMC. I've played it a few times in casual matches and my opponents hate it. It's very powerful. Also, it's a distraction for opponents to waste removal spells on. That said, it's surely the worst card here; I included it more as a joke than anything.
While 3CMC is far from ideal, Oblivion Ring is just so bloody useful. It works on pretty much everything. Like Liliana for example. And last time I checked, there was no enchantment removal in black. So yea. O-Ring is really good here, at least, it is on a budget and in a joke deck at that. Since I'm already including a full set of Oppressive Rays, Journey to Nowhere seems to fall in between - being both narrower than the Ring and costlier than the Ray.
Heliod's Pilgrim is decent. I'll consider it. Too bad it won't help get Manabarbs. Also, it's 3CMC, which is exactly the CMC you criticized in your first comment. I'm amused. And while it is decent, even facing removal, Mesa Enchantress at least has the chance of drawing me many, many cards, verses 1 aura. In playtesting, I actually got 2 Enchantress down with a surprising regularity. And they drew me so many cards, Reliquary Tower is actually really useful. In my other, slightly more serious (while still very casual/multiplayer) build Bed of Coals, I've ran the Enchantress as well, and so far my playgroup [shockingly] ignore it. In that same vein, my playgroup was terrified of Authority of the Consuls. Go figure. I chalk it up the meta.
Faith's Shield is really useful here because it works on everything and with Unlife, the Fateful Hour effect is much more likely to be useful, granting me hexproof, too, which really grinds opponents running burn, mill, etc. Stuffy Doll's indestructible does a decent job of giving it staying power. The Shield is more about protecting Pariah and Manabarbs, but it could be used on the Doll against exile, or, on the off chance I get a Ethereal Armor on a Doll, it can be used for a very funny swing. All that said, Pentarch Ward is strictly less useful. And, it comes at that crappy 3CMC you [again] previously said was so "horrid."
Bojuka Bog is here strictly for graveyard hate. I considered other spells like Tormod's Crypt, but those would all take up extra slots while the Bog can just fill in a land slot. Given all the spells but the 'barbs are white, there's little need for mana-fixing. While there are enchantments that would do the job, they would take up space in the sideboard that could be filled with considerably more useful spells. I am aware there are better spells than the Bog, but not spells that would take up less space. I considered Battlefield Forge - it's in my other deck I mentioned before. I'd say the main reason it's not here is because I don't take this deck seriously at all.
Boros Charm seems pretty good to me, especially against Back to Nature. Also potentially giving a Doll with Ethereal Armor on it double strike seems good, albeit extremely unlikely. at 2CMC, I'd hardly consider it "mana intensive", though I happily admit I prefer the shield (thus, the shield is mainboarded the charm is sideboarded. I swap one for the other based on what opponents are running. Karma is very narrow. Basically, it's a joke deck meant for unlikely fun and Karma fits that bill. I wouldn't mind cutting it back to 1x. It's clearly not important. I'd swap a 'barbs for it in matchups against mono-black decks.
Revoke Existence is here because someone in my playgroup runs Myr Battlesphere in a tron deck with lots of graveyard return. It's a tough deck to beat, so being able to exile an artifact is really useful. Personally, if I run any artifacts of importance, I always include at least 1x Buried Ruin, so again, something that exiles artifacts strikes me terrifically useful.
While the curve is bad, I feel like I would be remiss if I failed to point out that this is a slow, grindy deck. With spells like Ghostly Prison, Oppressive Rays, and Phyrexian Unlife, there's likely more time to build up a mana-base capable of hard-casting the spells at the top of the curve. This deck is clearly not intended on getting a win T3, or even T5 for that matter. It's meant as a joke only to be played for laughs in a casual multiplayer context.
I like to build decks here by adding just 1x of any relevant cards, checking "Prototype," saving, and then using the +1/-1 click option. It allows to me to fill the deck out in a more visual way and to consider how many of each card I want. As I continue to make changes and updates, sometimes my decks will drop below 60. But thank you for pointing out I have 1x slot to fill. I'm sure I'll
I did very much hope you'd have some 1-2 CMC budget enchantment suggestions that would thwart opponents developments like Ghostly Prison. I occurs to me that many pillow-fort/prison decks tend to focus on creatures, and are weak against decks with non-creature based wincons. After having researched the archetype of pillow-fort and also searching through every white and red enchantment under 3CMC, I failed to find anything that was broad and relevant beyond what I've already included.
Thank you again, from the bottom of my heart, for your response. The time, thought, and energy you've put in are appreciated.
1 month ago
Yes, I get that it is a budget deck - I'm not sure why you say that playing Manabarbs and Stuffy Doll means you can't have a good curve. It doesn't. If you understand the concept of mana curve but still ignored it, then that says a lot, I guess.
Ok, as for specific suggestions, here they are:Moving 2 Pay No Heed to sideboard. It can come in against combo decks like Scapeshift.Moving 2 Phyrexian Unlife to sideboard. Should play it with Solemnity or not at all.Cut 1 Curse of Exhaustion and frankly, might move the other 1 to sideboard, because I'm not sure who you are trying to get with this. It's too slow for Storm, maybe it stops Snapcaster Mage tricks, but it's only an annoyance more than anything.Moved 1 Oblivion Ring to the sideboard.Cut 1 Pariah. This card doesn't really do anything without a Stuffy Doll out, plus more reasons later.Cut 4 Mesa Enchantress. You already play very few creatures. I suspect most opponents will have multiple removals in hand to deal with this before you can extract any card advantage from it. Now, the replacements.Adding 4 Heliod's Pilgrim. Guaranteed at least 1 card when you cast this creature. Is a legitimate tutor but restricted to Auras. Still, it makes your 1-ofs better and it enables us to go down 1 Curse and 1 Pariah too, since they are now searchable.Adding 1 Pentarch Ward. To support your Faith's Shields. But really, this is really for exile effects like Path to Exile on your Stuffy Doll.Added 2 Journey to Nowhere. RemovalAdded 4 Angelsong. Stalls the game, or if not, cycles.Added 1 Scrabbling Claws. Budget graveyard hate, also cycles.
Lands:Added 4 Battlefield Forge. Removed 1 Bojuka Bog - if you are playing this just for graveyard hate, I've replaced it with Claws, if you have Relic of Progenitus that's fine too.Removed 1 Reliquary Tower - I doubt that you will need its ability often.Kept the rest, but cut 1 Plains and 1 Mountain to make space.
Sideboard:Cut Boros Charm. I suspect you need this card mainly for the indestructible mode, and this saves only your enchantment pieces, since Doll is already indestructible. If that is the case, I suggest more Faith's Shield, or something not so mana intensive.Cut Karma - much too narrow. I have literally not seen this being played before. If you are afraid of black, play some Celestial Purge instead. Liliana of the Veil is one of the worst cards you can face.I would cut 2 Revoke Existence, if you want you can play more Disenchants. I'm not sure what indestructible artifact/enchantment (or anything that comes back from the graveyard?) you are worried about.
That brings your deck to 60 cards (did you realise you were originally playing with only 59 cards?) and a nicer curve and a lower budget.