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- Monastery Siege vs Storm
- Do you have to pay 4 mana for two Monastery Sieges in play?
- If i have 2 monastery siege in play and they are both khans,does it mean i draw 3,then discard 2?
- How do Qjutai Exemplars, Clever Impersonators copied as Ojutai Exemplars, and board wipes you cast affect each other?
- If I have multiple cards that increase the amount of cards I draw, do they all trigger at the same time?
As Monaster Siege enters the battlefield, choose Khans or Dragons.
- Khans — At the beginning of your draw step, draw an additional card, then discard a card.
- Dragons — Spells your opponents cast that target you or a permanent you control cost more to cast.
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Monastery Siege Discussion
3 days ago
2 weeks ago
2 weeks ago
Hey Pygmyrhino990! Glad you like the deck. I can go over each of the cards that are over $5 and explain why I think they're replaceable or not.
Chromatic Lantern is one of the best mana rocks in the game. The ability to get all of our colors online whenever we want is really great, especially since some of our strongest cards like Arcanis the Omnipotent, Dualcaster Mage, and Necropotence are all color intensive. I would likely just replace this with another mana rock if it were to be taken out.
Cyclonic Rift is an incredible one-sided board wipe. I would say that this card is a blue staple and that nothing can compare to it; if you want to run something like Devastation Tide, it could work, but it would be far less effective for a number of reasons.
Drowned Catacomb is just a pretty good land. You can replace this with a basic or enters-tapped dimir dual (such as Jwar Isle Refuge) depending on how fast your version of the deck is if you build it.
Kess, Dissident Mage is a powerhouse. She can recur our cantrips and, on our turn, protect us if we're trying to combo and have a counterspell in the yard. If you don't own her, there really isn't a great replacement that does the same thing. Izzet Chronarch isn't too bad if you want more recursion, but Kess is just too good to give up in my opinion.
Kindred Discovery is a decent draw engine that can really help us get online if we make a lot of copies. A replacement for this could come in the form of a straight up draw spell such as Opportunity or a political enchantment such as Curse of Verbosity. The slot is really up to you though, as the card isn't necessary for the deck to be good an can likely be swapped out for whatever you would like.
Mystical Tutor is another blue staple that I don't think has any great replacements. Just a solid card overall.
Necropotence is the single best draw engine in the game. I almost always find a win very soon after it resolves. The best replacement for this is probably Phyrexian Arena; it's slow but consistent draw.
Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx is a decent land that can probably be replaced with another land of your choice.
Paradox Engine is one of the main cards in this deck and one of the main ways we can accidentally or intentionally land a win. I can't think of anything that would replace this.
Patron Wizard is a really annoying card that does a LOT of work. It's incredibly expensive, though. There isn't really another card that has a similar effect, but you could try to run another counterspell or maybe play around with Ixalan's new Siren Stormtamer.
Reliquary Tower is another EDH staple that is probably fine to replace with any land of your choice.
Rhystic Study is a solid tax effect / draw engine that will be very annoying for your opponents. It's one of the better consistent draws in blue. This can be replaced with an upkeep extra draw effect such as Monastery Siege or another straight up draw spell if that's more up your alley. Merchant of Secrets is slow but not atrocious.
Sensei's Divining Top is just great fixing. I would try to pick one up when you can, as it has done wonders in most of my decks. If you don't want to spend the money, Sage of Epityr might be worth checking out as a one-time Top that filters garbage if we have some of our scry effects up.
Sigil Tracer is recurrable copy effect that can also hit our opponents' spells. It is a bit mana intensive, though. I don't love this card and you could play something like Wild Ricochet or Reverberate instead if you like the copy effect. If not, you can replace this with pretty much anything.
Sulfurous Springs is another good dual land that can be replaced with another land.
Wanderwine Prophets is an insanely annoying one card infinite turn combo if you can land it. It isn't integral to winning the game, however, and if you want another way to get infinite turns you could always replace it with Final Fortune (imprint Final Fortune on Isochron Scepter, at the end of the next turn use Sundial of the Infinite to avoid the lose the game trigger, repeat). If not, it can just be replaced with another high value wizard such as Havengul Lich or Vindictive Lich.
4 weeks ago
One of the best things I learned a long time ago is simply this: There are no wrong threats, only wrong answers. With that in mind, here are some additional thoughts on your deck.
Weaker Dragons to consider taking out. Keep in mind that this is based on my play style.
Hellkite Charger is a maybe. I like the extra combat phase, but it is dependant on being in play, attacking, and having 7 mana available. Not sure yet. Intet, the Dreamer has always been weak. You get to exile the top card of your library and hope that you can play it before the next Wrath of God or Path to Exile, after paying 3 mana to exile your own card. Spellbound Dragon might work in a deck built around draw-discard. But this deck isn't. You want the draw, but not the discard. Just doesn't seem to fit that well. Silumgar, the Drifting Death seems a bit on the weak side. But I could see him as a way to get rid of token armies. Not sure on this one either.
Now to take a look at the non-creature cards.
Ponder is a great card. In a 60 card deck with a full playset. In a Commander/EDH deck, not so much. Single use is a big drawback. I prefer repeatable effects in commander decks. Or consider Brainstorm instead. Dreamstone Hedron is nice. But as a 6 cast artifact that either adds 3 colorless or draws 3 cards I can't shake the feeling that it is a bit late to the party. Consider Hedron Archive. Same basic idea. It only adds 2 colorless or draws 2 cards. But it hit the field 2 turns earlier. That is 2 whole turns of having 2 more mana to help power out those Dragons. Relic of Progenitus is a great card in a lot of tournament decks. However, it also trashes your graveyard too. Depending on your Meta, maybe a simple Tormod's Crypt instead? Curse of Verbosity is a great way to pile on to the biggest threat player at the table. But you have no way to bounce it to change the target and once that play is out of the game, this becomes a dead card on the field. Also, you don't really want to give other players an option to draw cards. Darksteel Mutation is cute spot removal. But there are so many better options. Is spot removal really that important in your meta? If so, consider Swords to Plowshares, Anguished Unmaking, Unmake or even Curse of the Swine. All of which deal really well with any threat except a commander. You could use Declaration of Naught naming their Commander if you really want to get someone angry. Frontier Siege either adds 2 mana or causes your creatures to fight. I can think of so many better uses for that sleeve. More creatures. More mana ramp. More shenanigans. Monastery Siege first ability suffers the same problems that Mirror of the Forebears copies an existing creaturee in play. Not bad. I would put this in the maybe pile. Tough call on this one. I would keep it or cut it depending on what other choices get made. Lightning Greaves & Swiftfoot Boots are cards that I know you like and I do see their value. But to me there are so many better uses of those sleeves. These are probably the cards least likely to be swapped out of your deck, but I don't think that your deck really needs them. They don't protect from board wipe. You have other cards that give Dragons haste or you could even run Anger for the haste.
New dragons to consider:
Balefire Dragon and Deathbringer Regent are both Dragons and board wipes rolled into one sleeve. Destructor Dragon dies and takes another non-creature with it. Read that as destroy target planeswalker, artifact, enchantment or land. Dragonlord Atarka acts as a spot removal spell and a Dragon. Dragonlord Dromoka does a really good job of dealing with counterspells. Dragonlord Kolaghan gives your other creatures haste. Hoever, his second ability is kind of a waste in Commander. Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund needs no explanation. Keiga, the Tide Star gains control of an opponent creature until end of the game or you sacrifice it to the Altar. Kilnmouth Dragon we've already talked about. Nicol Bolas is a maybe. I know he is iconic and has a good ability, however, tying up 3 colored mana each turn isn't that great. Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind is a good card draw and ping engine. Jsut don't use the stupid Curiosity combo. That's so lame. Ruthless Deathfang works well with the Altar of Dementia and Scourge of Nel Toth. I sacrifice a creature, oh, and so should you. Scourge of Nel Toth not only comes back form the grave for cheap, but it also provides a sacrifice method for Jugan or Keiga. Scourge of the Throne is a great way to knock an opponent in the lead back down. Thunderbreak Regent punishes opponents for using spot removal. I would rather run this instead of the boots. This is a threat, the boots and greaves aren't. The equipment does protect against spot removal. Also watching an opponent getting a Lightning Bolt in the face for the effort of removing a Dragon is pretty funny.
Other cards to look at:
Eerie Interlude or Ghostway can do double duty of protecting your creatures and retrigger all of the enter-the-battlefield effects. If Scourge of Valkas or Warstorm Surge is on the field, then Eerie Interlude becomes a kill card. Shard Convergence helps make more mana available. Basilisk Collar gives lifelink and deathtouch. And putting deathtouch on Scourge of Kher Ridges provides another board wipe. Deathtouch on Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind adds another point of spot removal. Patriarch's Bidding has long been a staple of tribal decks. Thanks for that Wrath of God. I needed that. Now watch as I return all of my threats.
As always, temper these suggestions with your play style, collections, and budget. Let me know what you think.
1 month ago
1 month ago
I would invest in better dragon creatures if possible. You have some good ones but others can be replaced with just better dragons. I would take out Territorial Hellkite, Ryusei, the Falling Star, Dromoka, the Eternal, Scion of the Ur-Dragonand Broodmate Dragon to start. I would also keep Savage Ventmaw his mana ramp is crazy strong and worth it based on my results with the deck.
As far as board clears you only really need 1 or 2 spells then I use creatures to board whip for me repeatedly like Silumgar, the Drifting Death, Siege Dragon, Scourge of Kher Ridges, and Balefire Dragon. so you wouldnt really need Earthquake.
you can use enchantments to help your creatures attack more then giving them haste with like Bower Passage or protect you if you are playing too slow. All you are using your enchantments for are buffing, haste, draw, and to act as a kill spell. they can do so much more then that and some can be replaced with another card that does the same thing. I would take out Fervor, Fires of Yavimaya and Monastery Siege
Also you dont really need to pay mana to cheat dragons into play because most of the time they cost less or equal to the cards that cheat them in like Fist of Suns and Quicksilver Amulet, so adding Urza's Incubator would help reduce the cost of your dragons. Plus there are some enchantments and creatures that can sheat dragons into play for free. invest in those
I would run about 36 lands 33 just seems to little especially with how few ramp cards you are playing (if you cannot draw the mana how can you play your mana fixing cards, ramp spells are generally cheap to play and help a lot).
The Ur dragon is amazing you can put any permanent onto the battlefield that includes planeswalker. At the very least Sarkhan Unbroken is a must have. The other sarkhan's are good and same with nicol bolas, but you can run any planeswaker to do whatever you need it to do.
you have a solid base but it just needs a bit of work
1 month ago
Check out Monastery Siege for protection. Id drop the Errant Ephemeron for Illusory Angel. Also Phantasmal Bear and Jace's Phantasm are good drops for buffing the Krovikan Mist. A set of Force Spike for protecting your creatures might work as well.
1 month ago
Instead of using Spreading Seas for card draw and enchantment affinity, change them out for Monastery Siege. It doubles as enchantment protection if you already have a Fraying Sanity on the board. Also, if you want to further your enchantment affinity, change out Path to Exile for Journey to Nowhere.