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Kiora's Follower Discussion
2 days ago
Lilbrudder: As a one shot effect, I do have to say that High Tide has been showing some promise. I have tweaked the island count to assist with this however it can be very helpful in deploying Paradox Engine while still having countermagic mana open. I also run Kiora's Follower (since I'm still running Birthing Pod) and Bloom Tender (I know your opinion on this card :P) and have been testing Freed from the Real as a backup line. A bit narrow I know, but it's been pretty good thus far.
On the topic of Cremate, what're your thoughts on Scarab Feast instead? While you don't draw cards off the ability natively, the fact that it hits three cards at once seems a lot better at hosing graveyard based decks like Kess. But it it still provides card advantage against non-graveyard decks.
Also, how has Training Grounds been performing for you? I'm currently testing it out but haven't seen in much.
4 days ago
So the immediate problem I see is that you're trying to run legendary and non-legendary cards together as a theme, while I think it can work just fine, it'll be very difficult to fit a tertiary theme, and it will be finicky sometimes because they will kinda of grind against each other. Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker only works with non-legendary creatures. If you get a few non-legendary creatures out with Jalira, Master Polymorphist and have Heroes' Podium it's going to feel kind of bad, but it'll feel pretty good to have a it with a bunch of legends. Mirari's Wake might fit better for you.
SO relatively, I only added white pretty recently and I only have 5 white cards. Felidar Guardian because it's basically twin combo with Saheeli Rai, but also works with Kiki-Jiki, Restoration Angel I view as a protection spell that just happens to work with Kiki-Jiki. Tamiyo, Field Researcher (combos with Doubling Season and is good value), Anointed Procession (more Doubling Season/Parallel Lives effects), and Teferi's Protection (should be in every deck that can run it as it protects from Cyclonic Rift).
So if I hadn't changed this deck recently I could probably use some of your ideas and then I'd put in Village Bell-Ringer but I don't actually have a reason to just untap most creatures for just value if I need to, having only 5 creatures with Untap abilities anymore, and they are more just either combos themselves or combo protection. Say if I have Tidewater Minion and Kiora's Follower and I go to combo off with Minion and someone just Doom Blade's it I can use Follower to untap Minion and then just float literally billions of mana, here I could use Village Bell-ringer and it'd be the same thing, but Kiora's Follower can untap land for me as well, Bell-ringer can't normally, for me. So if you have more activated abilities Bell-ringer will work for you, and I'd also recommend Thousand-Year Elixir and Illusionist's Bracers if you're not already running them.
I don't play cards that can give my opponents value. Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis is the only thing I run basically just for colors. I have to be in a tight spot in order to actually cast it, and it should be a partner commander combination but I had been at such a loss of what even to take out of the deck in order to get a partner combination in here. So I don't play cards like Selvala, Explorer Returned because she gives too much value to opponent's, and again I don't even play K&T unless I have to and I'd rather have partner commanders.
Just make sure all your Twin combo targets can do other things, like, I don't run Breaching Hippocamp because it doens't provide enough for me, while others like Zealous Conscripts can just take someone's Planeswalker and ult them or someone else's kiki-jiki and win, I've used Deceiver Exarch to tap down Blightsteel Colossus and prevent an attack. Interactions.
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2 weeks ago
How about Inventors' Fair to find win-cons. You may want to include a Llanowar Scout to help out. Freed from the Real also makes for some fun and janky land combos, just pair it with Simic Growth Chamber and Kiora's Follower!
2 weeks ago
Definitely sideboard Sundering Growth.
You could also try Panharmonicon, though I think your curve is already a little ambitious. Perhaps Kiora's Follower or some other dork might be help there. Fertile Ground and the expensive Birds of Paradise seem like good fits, too.
I think I'd drop 4-6 creatures in favor of removal/disruption. If you get enough tokens down, Dispatch could be awesome. Beast Within is usually pretty useful, too. Cast Out, Seal Away, Oblivion Ring, Celestial Flare, and Journey to Nowhere all offer decent white options.
4 weeks ago
Without further raining on your parade, infinite tap/untap loops have been a thing for a long time now. You could do the same with Kiora's Follower or before that, with Tidewater Minion. And I Am Superman has been used in many combos for a while now. The fact that these particualr cards being used together hasn't been brought up isn't surprising.
Also, "infinite almost anything with 3 cards" is a bit of a misnomer, even in your example you brought in a 4th card to do something other than just generate infinite mana. If you were talking about a Selvala, Heart of the Wilds tapping fo sufficient mana to work (say using a Darksteel Colossus) with Staff of Domination, this combo does more by itself as you can also draw cards without any additional input.
As pointed out, its a cute combo that could be made more efficient in an EDH deck, but anything outside kitechen table legacy would find it too slow and too prone to being interrupted. Don't let that stop you from brewing stuff like this, but it is worth keeping it in mind.
1 month ago
Yeah, I made these things I think nearly 2 years ago now, and just came back to them last month and decided to do a bit more balancing. This one kept winning too often.
I can see your point on those suggestions, but I do have slight issues with them(however trivial they may be.) I know the decks aren't perfect as far as flavor goes, but somehow having straight up humans helping the monsters that are destroying the world seems wrong. Kiora's Follower Just seems slightly more appropriate, being somewhat inhuman. Also, Whisperer of the Wilds only tapping for green would be an issue, because in my tests that was never an issue, but blue could occasionally be.
Thanks for the suggestions, though, keep em coming!
1 month ago
how about Kiora's Follower to untap mana rocks or big creatures?