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1 week ago
So the problem with those cards for me and this deck is I don't run a ton of graveyard recursion other than GnG, so a card like Sift is identical to Concentrate. I'd just as soon draw the cards normally in case I whiff on a creature to put in the bin. In my research I've found that almost all Blue cards like Sift are costed at the Common rarity, so non-discarding card-draw cards are often better on-rate.
Rain of Revelation is strictly better than Sift too, but this deck doesn't really play at instant speed so the effect is diminished once more. I could see Pull from Tomorrow being more of a stand-out now that I think of it.
2 weeks ago
Hey there Kronhamilton,
First of all, I like the improvements you’ve made to your deck. It’s already looking a lot slicker and I can see you’ve made some very fun looking changes to how the deck plays.
You’ve got a nice array of threats (I always love to see the Bringers and Ur-Dragon) and a decent amount of ramp which are both a big plus. Additionally, you’ve got the beginnings of some nasty graveyard synergy shaping up, which looks really, really cool as a sort of plan B.
That being said, I’d like to make a few suggestions to help guide you toward a more consistent and powerful Golos deck. Please remember that these suggestions are just my informed opinion, and that I totally respect whatever deck choices you decide to make. I really just want to help you get comfortable with deck building and learning what to look for in a ‘good’ or ‘bad’ card.
I would encourage you to add 2 Lands, 3 Removal cards, and 8 Draw cards. I’d also think about adding 2 more Ramp cards, but that is less critical to the overall health of the deck. Your Threats look great and I think your Sweepers are also appropriate. Anything that synergizes with your graveyard backup plan is great.
There are a couple of things to think about as you play this deck; 1. “Am I happy or sad to be holding this card in my hand or drawing it off the top of my deck?” – If a card seems to constantly be ‘the wrong card’ for the situation, or you can never seem to cast it, or you always play other cards instead, or you tend to die while holding a certain card, then you probably want to think about how well that card fits in your deck and whether or not you should cut it or modify the deck to support it. 2. “What ongoing advantage does this card give me?” – Some cards seem like a decent card based on having decent power/toughness, a fair cost, and some neat keywords or abilities. Just having those upsides alone though doesn’t make a card truly powerful. Instead, try to think about what ways a card can synergize with your deck to create crazy effects or otherwise how it will become more dangerous as the game progresses (like a Quartzwood Crasher, Scute Swarm, or Giant Adephage). Additionally, try to find cards that do multiple things such as Chasm Skulker which gets bigger when you draw cards and also explodes into tokens when it dies, or even Ravenous Chupacabra which deals with a threat and also acts as a blocker when you are facing pressure. The key is finding a way to levarage the most amount of value in each individual card – even a 2 mana ramp spell will set you up to play all of your future spells 1 turn earlier than normal for the rest of the game, which can be an insane advantage when you think about it. 3. “Am I out of options?” – If you can’t seem to find a solution to a problem or you’re ‘running out of steam’, then it is likely that you need more card draw and more ways to create ‘engines’ that accrue value. An example of an engine would be Fertilid + Evolution Sage or Rampaging Baloths + Elemental Bond or Kruphix, God of Horizons + Victory Chimes or Atraxa, Praetors' Voice + Ajani, the Greathearted or Anointed Procession + Endless Ranks of the Dead or Search for Azcanta Flip or Deadbridge Chant or Mind Unbound, etc.
Your ramp looks pretty good with 10 dedicated Ramp cards. I’d suggest adding 2 more Ramp spells to really help speed things up early. Examples would be Kodama's Reach, Llanowar Elves, Wild Growth, Farseek, Rampant Growth, Springbloom Druid, etc.
Ramp - 10
Azusa, Lost but Seeking - you don’t have enough land + card draw to really capitalize on Asuza’s ability.
Empowered Autogenerator – this card is vastly too slow to be considered a true Ramp card. At best I would call it a ‘Ramp Support’ card, because it is there to slowly help you in the late game, not propel you in the early game like a true Ramp card (Rampant Growth, Farseek, Fertile Ground, Llanowar Elves, Wild Growth)
Overall, I think your card draw package needs a little bit of love. I want to note I see a lot of ‘looting’ effects like the ones on Teferi, Master of Time or Obsessive Stitcher and while these cards are great for a graveyard strategy they still don’t count as card draw. I’d keep most of these ‘looting’ type cards, but try to find cards that get you about 2 or 3 cards such as Harmonize, Concentrate, Escape to the Wilds, Urban Evolution, Moldervine Reclamation, Deathreap Ritual, Recurring Insight, Mind Unbound, Underworld Connections, Cloudblazer, Mulldrifter, Drawn from Dreams, Return of the Wildspeaker, Harvester of Souls, Momentous Fall, Dream Trawler, Keeper of Fables etc.
Draw - 2
Barrin, Tolarian Archmage – drawing 1 card does not really count. If anything, Barrin is like slow, bad removal for dealing with your opponents’ stuff temporarily. If you’re interested in reusing Golos’s land finding ability I would recommend playing Soulherder instead.
Solemn Simulacrum – He has sort of ‘incidental value’ with his death trigger but doesn’t actively net you a bunch of cards like Keruga, the Macrosage or Beast Whisperer. Sad Robot is still great though.
Titanoth Rex – still keep this guy because he is a threat that isn’t dead in your hand on turn 5.
Void Beckoner – same story as the Rex
Teferi, Master of Time – Teferi’s great, but he is really at his best when you’ve got 4-7 card in hand so that you can throw a bunch of big threats to the graveyard and hopefully draw a reanimation spell. Other than that, Teferi isn’t going to refill your hand so he doesn’t count as true draw.
Your removal package looks like it needs a couple more additions to keep your deck responsive and able to handle imminent-doom type threats. It is worth noting that cards like Blatant Thievery or Mythos of Illuna can save you in certain situations, but be wary of their crazy mana costs and the fact that they are not instant-speed answers. Examples include Mythos of Nethroi, Beast Within, Price of Fame, Reality Shift, Terminate, Return to Nature, Putrefy, Utter End, Eat to Extinction, Murderous Rider, etc.
Removal – 4 (aim for 7)
There are several cards that I would consider cutting first when modifying the deck.
- Lukka, Coppercoat Outcast - he relies very heavily on luck and only interacts with creatures. This makes him good with only 30% of your deck. Additionally, Lukka can’t ‘protect’ himself like Garruk can (making tokens to block for him), nor does he have an immediately accessible removal ability like Teferi. Overall, Lukka is interesting but a little lacking in consistency, defensibility, and power.
Azusa, Lost but Seeking – you don’t have enough land + card draw to really capitalize on Asuza’s ability. Yes, you can use the double lands (like Gruul Turf) to bounce a land to hand and then play that land with Asuza, but realistically that’s such a narrow and relatively tame synergy (in this non-landfall deck, that is) that you would be better off playing a Farseek or a Rampant Growth or even a Fertile Ground.
Sparkhunter Masticore - This little fellow has a major drawback and no seriously crazy abilities that make him worthwhile. Yes he can deal with planeswalkers, but so can a Murderous Rider or an Eat to Extinction. Yes he can be an indestructible 3/4, but you have to pay 3 mana just to make him indestructible. Under normal circumstances that’s 6 mana for a 3/4 that dodges death one time - a 3/4 just isn’t fantastic. The biggest bad news about this robocat is its “additional cost to cast” ability which means that even if you hit it with Golos’s ‘Rainbow Wheel of Death’ ability, you still have to discard a card for a 3/4. I just honestly think you’d rather have a removal spell (Beast Within, Mythos of Nethroi) instead of this cat any day.
Pursued Whale - While this whale is kinda cool and he does force combat, he is just sorta expensive for what he does. 7 mana for an 8/8 is pretty standard and giving your opponents tokens (that they could just attack you with or sacrifice to an effect) can be a bad idea in some situations, such as when they have an Beastmaster Ascension or a similar effect on the field. While his semi-hexproof ability (3 more mana to target) seems nifty, that is one of the only really powerful highlight abilities of this card, meaning that ability is protecting a relatively low-powered card. A couple immediate alternatives come to mind for me; Geode Rager to force combat AND keep you safe, and Dream Trawler for a flying, hexproof, lifelinking, card drawing threat.
Renata, Called to the Hunt - She just isn’t fantastic. You aren’t playing a devotion centric deck in which she might become a 10/10, and your strategy doesn’t really care about 1/1 counters either. I would consider replacing her with a Harmonize or another 3 or 4 drop with more impactful abilities. Heck, even another reanimation spell could be nice like Unburial Rites or Grave Upheaval since your deck seems to have some tendency to but things in the graveyard for later.
Lorescale Coatl - Cards like this (or his bigger cousin Chasm Skulker) are really designed for “wheel decks” that play “wheel effects” like Windfall or Reforge the Soul. He is fine, but really not much better than that. If you want a threat that can grow faster and do more important things, try Managorger Hydra or even Scute Mob.
Colossification - This aura is too expensive, taps your creature down, and worst of all is an aura. Auras are generally quite bad because your opponent can destroy your creature and the aura attached to them with one spell – and odds are they’ll do that because it is usually too juicy not to. The fact that you can’t attach Colossification and attack immediately means that your opponents will have a full turn to deal with it before you get a chance to use it (and keep in mind your Colossified creature needs to survive 3 opponents’ turns!). This means you’ll most likely run out of cards in a hurry without accomplishing anything.
Door to Nothingness - Unlike Progenitus, you can’t reanimate the Door, nor can you get its full value off of the Rainbow Wheel of Death. The only time this card does anything at all is when you literally have 10 mana of the exact color combination necessary to use it. It’s still your call, and I know some people make it a goal to Door their opponents, but be warned: you probably don’t have as much ramp as you need to make this work well. I’d consider supporting this crazy cards (and your many expensive threats for that matter) with a few more ramp spells – Boundless Realms, Migration Path, Circuitous Route, Kodama's Reach, Explosive Vegetation, Zendikar Resurgent
Azor's Gateway Flip – This card belongs in a very specific variant of Golos. That variant is the Minamo, School at Water's Edge Golos deck which also runs stuff like Vizier of Tumbling Sands, Fatestitcher, Kiora's Follower, and other payoffs like Jegantha, the Wellspring, or Captain Sisay. Especially considering that Sanctum of the Sun (the flip side) adds X mana of only 1 color, I think this card is just rarely going to work like you want it to unfortunately.
Lathliss, Dragon Queen - Basically, you only have 3 other dragons in the deck so I would either exchange a bunch of cards for more dragons or cut Lathliss, since she will rarely be able to use her best ability (5/5 tokens). Keep in mind, you could also run a bunch of cards with the ‘changeling’ keyword if you wanted to get really funky, in which case you may as well also play stuff like Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow, Reaper King, Crested Sunmare, The First Sliver but that’s a very slippery and insane slope that I’m not sure you want to get sucked into.
Nice changes Kronhamilton, I can see that your deck is really starting to shape up as a rampy graveyard-mingling Golos deck, and that’s really cool. I encourage you to try and pay attention to what situations you find yourself in, as that’s often the best way to tell what cards you need to cut or add to the deck for it to work best. As a default, I’d consider making a few of the changes I mentioned in the Broad Suggestion section, as those changes should just generally help with your deck’s consistency.
Please do let me know how you decide to tune your deck – it’s really fun to watch honestly, and I’m always down to help advise you. Other than that, take care and enjoy Golos!
2 weeks ago
Harmonize especially in decks that have blue. Seriously, would anyone consider putting Concentrate into their decks? Then why it's color shift? And on that note Mulldrifter too since for a lot of decks it's basically Divination but worse since blue can recur spells, but not creatures.
1 month ago
Even so, whether it was defined or not, breaks in the color pie have been consistent through Magic's history. Planar Chaos was a set where they intentionally made those. As Harmonize was an intentional green version of Concentrate and Damnation was the version for Wrath of God (at this point a cheaply costed "destroy all creatures" effect hadn't been printed yet, or it had a situational downside)
1 month ago
Whew lots of thoughts in this thread.
First: Card advantage has been identified time and time again as extremely important to winning. Number of cards drawn by a player is the single best indicator of who will win in a 1v1 game of Magic. This is why Ancestral Recall is a $3000 card, even though it does the same thing as Concentrate just at a cheaper mana cost. I think that the color pie has been used for a long time by a designer I don't care for (cough Mark Rosewater cough) to justify lazy design because he doesn't like to imagine settings further away than Limited. Card advantage isn't just important, it is practically the cornerstone of competitive play. The EDH card pool is most similar to Vintage of all the other formats, due to the ban list and the cards available, no matter how much people wish to gripe about "muh competitive EDH". When you look at Vintage decks, the vast majority of them include blue, and rarely white (the most white deck being Thought Knot Seer stax, relying on eldrazi mana base and splashing white for pretty much just Thalia).
Second: White does have card advantage, but most of it is addition by subtraction. If you spend 1 card and remove 2 cards on the board, you have just gained +1 card advantage. This is seen in White with the massive amount of board wipes, from Wrath of God forwards. White has board wipes for creatures, artifacts, enchantments, and even a couple that impact cards in hand. As previously said in this thread, these cards require careful timing and strategy in order to get advantage from these cards. Compare to a card like Brainstorm, which always functions regardless of board state. While there are great times to Brainstorm (before a shuffle for example), there is rarely a bad time to Brainstorm. The same cannot be said for Wrath of God or other wipes, which perform better when you are behind and significantly worse when you are ahead.
Third: The raw card draw that White has is limited in scope or costly in mana. You can't just pay to draw a card, like you can any number of ways with . Most of the card draw requires deck build arounds, conditions on the board, or are just flat out heinously expensive to draw cards (such as Bygone Bishop, 5 mana before you even get the first card). The amount of white card advantage cards that are 1 or 2 mana cost are extremely small, being limited to a couple tutors and some conditional land advantage, not even land ramp. This is really what people mean when they say "White doesn't have good card advantage". If the card draw isn't in the 1-3 mana range, it is almost always too costly in opportunity cost to be worth a slot in your EDH deck.
Fourth: To address the OP, I wouldn't give White impulse type effects. I'd lean more into giving white a handful of small cantrips in the 1-2 mana range. I wouldn't make a white version of Brainstorm, but I sure would endorse a white version of Opt. Conditional card draw is neat, but I think deck building could be opened greatly just by giving white cards that say "Draw cards". I could also get behind a card like Glimpse of Nature except change "creature" to "enchantment". I also believe Cultivate would make a wonderful white card, and I could even be talked into Nature's Lore with "plains" instead of "forest" with a heavier mana weight in the cost. I think white has been left by the wayside, with designers still thinking white weenie and UW control as the only ways to design for the color.
1 month ago
Somehow you posted your replies to my comment on my profile rather than on this page. I'm going to delete them, but only because they really don't make any sense there.
You're right about Return of the Wildspeaker. That was an "oh yeah, duh" moment for me. You could always include the straightforward Harmonize and/or Concentrate, or the somewhat slower (but much more powerful) Consecrated Sphinx. However, since you have 30 instants and sorceries, you could get away with Lunar Mystic or The Magic Mirror. Or, a kinda funny way to go about it, hit someone else's mana dork with Betrayal, but that one is only situationally useful and more about the lols.
As for cuts to the ramp, it's really a difficult question from an outsider's perspective. It really comes down to which ones you are least excited about when you draw them. Like Bloom Tender is awesome, but how many colored permanents do you get out early enough for him to really accelerate your game? I might be wrong about that, though, because it's not my deck. Same with Burgeoning. Doesn't seem like it would help you much, and appears to be a dead card if not drawn very early, but I haven't been the one playing the deck. Ditto with Explore. Those would be my choices, but you'd be a better judge. All I know for sure is that you're better off dropping at least 2 from the category, if not 3 or 4.
Anyway, that's all I got (for real this time).
2 months ago
Yo... I've always loved lantern-control in EDH! I have a few suggestions:
So the easiest ways to increase consistency are either to run tutors or to run redundant pieces. I see you're running a lot of tutors already, which is good; one redundant piece I think you missed is Field of Dreams. It's about $60, which can be a lot if you don't want to invest in EDH. Personally, I think proxies are unfairly treated in EDH, since it's not a paid event (typically), so I recommend them. If your playgroup doesn't allow them, tho... well, $60 is doable.
Another way to increase consistency is to run cantrips. I highly suggest running Ponder and Preordain. If you run fetches, Brainstorm is also a powerhouse. Of course, the zendikar/onslaught fetches are a fortune; consider Evolving Wilds, Terramorphic Expanse, Fabled Passage, Grasslands, Bad River, Flood Plain and/or Mountain Valley. These are perfectly acceptable alternatives.
When games go long, you'll need a way to recoup cards. Consider big-draws like Treasure Cruise and Dig Through Time (which are good when you're filling your yard with Ghoulcaller's Bell), Fact or Fiction or even Concentrate.
Speaking of Emry, Lurker of the Loch, have you thought about Mindslaver? I used to play a lantern-control EDH list, and I used Mindslaver with Emry to strong effect. Generally, you can lock out one of your opponents and make him do whatever you want, including win for you. That's generally fun.
You're in green -- USE DORKS! This is easily the most overlooked part of green decks, which is sad because dorks are the best reason to be in green. Turn one ramp is better than artifacts can do most of the time, plus it gives you pokers if you need to use them with Derevi later. I highly recommend running at least four of the following: Birds of Paradise, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Noble Hierarch, Arbor Elf, Llanowar Elves, Fyndhorn Elves, Elvish Mystic... Even Boreal Druid and Joraga Treespeaker are good. You can also consider non-creature options, like Wild Growth and/or Utopia Sprawl.
Winter Orb. You can tap opponents' lands with Derevi. Enough said.
Finally, two walkers to consider are Oko, Thief of Crowns and Teferi, Time Raveler. Oko is great removal for opponents' problem cards (he nerfs all fatties into Trained Armodons) while occasionally producing a clock for you. Teferi nails opposing Counterspells, while producing a small amount of card advantage with his minus and allowing you to recast something if you bounce your own permanent.
Right. That's all I got. Hope this helps!