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Meren of Clan Nel Toth
Legendary Creature — Human Shaman
Whenever another creature you control dies, you get an experience counter.
At the beginning of your end step, choose target creature card in your graveyard. If that card's converted mana cost is less than or equal to the number of experience counters you have, return it to the battlefield. Otherwise, put it into your hand.
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Meren of Clan Nel Toth Discussion
2 days ago
Muldrotha is such an awesome Commander. I put together my own list and have been playing it a while now. I'm going to give some suggestions based on my experience with our supreme Commander.
For ramp, you seem to be relying on traditional signets. Muldrotha makes some cards that usually aren't good, very good. Here's a few ramp cards that Muldrotha empowers: Sakura-Tribe Elder 1G to ramp early and infinite 1G ramp once Muldrotha is in play. Silverglade Pathfinder 1G Tap, move a card from your hand to your graveyard: repeatable ramp. Wayfarer's Bauble and Font of Fertility function basically the same as Sakura-Tribe Elder. There's also Blighted Woodland and Myriad Landscape. Between the 4 you have an artifact, an enchantment, a land, and a creature that you can use to ramp from the early game then continue to use repeatedly when your commander is out.
Muldrotha really loves things that sacrifice themselves to make an effect happen. You can use them to your benefit in the early game, then get repeated value after your commander comes out. In addition to the 3 ramp cards I already mentioned that sacrifice, here's a few more things that get value from sacrificing themselves: Spore Frog is probably the absolute best example. Just one green mana to fog every single turn. Siren Stormtamer is also rather amazing. As long as this bad boy is on the field, you can keep your commander or any other important creature safe from removal.
Merciless Executioner+Fleshbag Marauder are excellent pieces of removal. Sacrifice themselves and you can use it every single turn. Speaking of removal, Executioner's Capsule is a solid piece of removal tied to an artifact that you can play once a turn as well. In addition to these three wonderful pieces of removal, I'd consider running these three cards: Grave Pact, Dictate of Erebos, and Butcher of Malakir. With all the repeatable sacrificing we're doing, may as well take advantage of it to keep our opponents board states nice and clean. With three copies of this effect, we can pretty reliably draw into it most games. Avatar of Woe is a surprisingly strong card in here as well. You'll trigger his mana reduction nearly every game and his ability is priceless. Pernicious Deed is a repeatable board wipe that can scale to what suits your needs. The last piece of removal I'd suggest is an EDH staple, Attrition. It enables you to trigger sacrifice affects at will and gives you repeatable targeted removal. Plus, you can just play whatever you sacrifice from your graveyard again. Value!
Mystic Remora and Elephant Grass let you use their abilities for 1 mana each turn, rather than paying the scaling cumulative upkeep. This makes them extremely powerful cards, as their effects are strong and very under costed.
There's one final piece that ties this sacrifice value engine into place. That piece is Mazirek, Kraul Death Priest. This guy turns your army of value 1/1 creatures into an actual army to evoke fear in your enemies. Note that his ability says "permanents" and not just creatures. His ability triggers when we sacrifice creatures, artifacts, lands, enchantments, or really anything.
Meren of Clan Nel Toth and Ezuri, Claw of Progress have a lot of synergy both with each-other and with Muldrotha. They can use the experience counters that the other creates, so when both are played in the same game that is a lot of value in and of itself. Ezuri works extremely well with our value x/1 creatures and can turn our small value army into an offensive threat. Meren gains experience when one of our creatures die, which we will be making happen a lot. He really shines once you've got a few experience counters in play, as he's almost like a graveyard focused Omniscience. Very strong.
In any deck where you find yourself running a lot of value 1/1 creatures, Skullclamp provides infinite value. In a deck that rewards you for sacrificing your creatures, it provides even more value. This card is very strong. Speaking of artifact staples, you're missing Sol Ring. Secrets of the Dead is almost mandatory in this deck, as it just gets incredible value.
Self-mill is something that Muldrotha gets a lot of value from. Here's some of my favorite self-mill cards: Splinterfright can be a big green trampler for only 3 mana, but he also essentially lets us draw two cards into our graveyard every turn. Nyx Weaver has the same utility without being attached to such a potentially big body. Also lets you return a needed card from your graveyard to hand when your commander isn't in play. Mesmeric Orb is surprisingly strong at filling your graveyard and can screw your opponents out of some good draws. Altar of Dementia is one of the greatest, as it's a sacrifice engine and self mill. Taigam, Sidisi's Hand provides self mill and removal and card filtering. To tie these effects together, we've got Sidisi, Brood Tyrant. In addition to being pseudo draw, all your self-milling will passively create an army of zombies!
Anyways, sorry for the wall of text. Hopefully some of this is helpful!
6 days ago
Your walker set-up in Q8 is nonsensical. If you cast Decree of Annihilation and respond with Teferi's Protection then you get to keep your walkers and they come back on your first extra turn. Venser, the Sojourner is completely unnecessary in this situation.
As for Q’s 2, 6, & 7 regarding Paradox Engine. No, the engine ONLY untaps if you cast a spell (meaning pay its casting cost to put it into play). Any effect which puts a permanent onto the battlefield does not cast the permanent. It literally just PUTS IT onto the battlefield.
Activating abilities does not count as casting a spell. Casting a spell is defined as you PAYING THE CASTING COST of a card in order to play said card. Tokens aren’t cast because they aren’t cards. Dragging a creature back to the battlefield from the yard, say via Meren of Clan Nel Toth, does not count as casting the creature because you didn’t pay the creatures casting cost to cast it.
No you cannot just “pay the casting cost” of a spell to change the fact that you aren’t casting it.
For Q4: mana empties from your pool when you change turns & phases. You have 7 phases:
Main phase 1.
Main phase 2.
If you tap an Ancient Tomb/Sol Ring/grandma for 2 mana, say in main phase 1, spend only 1 of it or none of it, then go to combat, you lose that mana. It empties from your pool. Now let’s say you tap for 2 and use 1 for a Sol Ring and one for an Aether Spellbomb. That’s fine.
What you may want to do is read the comprehensive rules for MTG. A lot of your questions revolve around Magic’s fundamental rules and could be easily answered via some research, rather than bouncing all of these questions off the tappedout community.
Edit: not that we mind the questions. Rather, you admitted yourself that you’re impatient, and you’d get answers way faster by reading the rules than turning every corner case which you come across into a question for the community whose answers you have to wait for.
1 week ago
I think you should put in Meren of Clan Nel Toth, and here are a list of most of the Ghave infinites:
- Ghave, Guru of Spores + Ashnod's Altar + Sigil Captain = infinite colorless mana, infinite tokens, all your creatures are infinite/infinite
- Ghave, Guru of Spores + Ashnod's Altar + Juniper Order Ranger = infinite colorless mana, infinite tokens, all your creatures are infinite/infinite
- Ghave, Guru of Spores + Ashnod's Altar + Cathars' Crusade = infinite colorless mana, infinite tokens, all your creatures are infinite/infinite
- Ghave, Guru of Spores + Ashnod's Altar + any creature with Undying = infinite colorless mana, infinite tokens, all your creatures are infinite/infinite
- Ghave, Guru of Spores + Ashnod's Altar + Doubling Season = infinite colorless mana, infinite tokens, all your creatures are infinite/infinite
- Ghave, Guru of Spores + Earthcraft + Doubling Season = infinite colored mana, infinite tokens, all your creatures are infinite/infinite
- Ghave, Guru of Spores + Earthcraft + Cathars' Crusade = infinite tokens, all your creatures are infinite/infinite
- Ghave, Guru of Spores + Earthcraft + any creature with Undying = infinite tokens, all your creatures are infinite/infinite (except the undying creature)
- Ghave, Guru of Spores + Earthcraft + Sigil Captain = infinite tokens
- Ghave, Guru of Spores + Earthcraft + Juniper Order Ranger = infinite tokens
- Ghave, Guru of Spores + Earthcraft + Paralell Lives = infinite tokens
- Ghave, Guru of Spores + Ashnod's Altar + Illusionist's Bracers= Infinite tokens
As you can see, most of the include: Earthcraft. I suggest adding in Earthcraft, Illusionist's Bracers, Mikaeus, the Unhallowed, Triskelion, Walking Ballista, Parallel Lives, and Strangleroot Geist(for the persist creature. Mikaeus, the Unhallowed with any other creature and it works the same way.)
I suggest taking out Nissa, Voice of Zendikar, Utopia Mycon, Fertilid, Thallid Soothsayer, Reyhan, Last of the Abzan, Rishkar, Peema Renegade, Krav, the Unredeemed, and Mazirek, Kraul Death Priest. To make this more competitive I'd also suggest auto-sac creatures like Fleshbag Marauder or Merciless Executioner.
Sorry if this isn't exactly what you were looking for, but Ghave, Guru of Spores is really quite the combo master.
1 week ago
Nice. Have you considered adding Fauna Shaman, Hua Tuo, Honored Physician, Meren of Clan Nel Toth, maybe even Sheoldred, Whispering One? None of these are cheap, but they can really give some punch to this deck.
Also, since you're playing black, it would be nice to add some tutors to this deck (aside from the ones I mentioned already). If you're looking to not spend overly much on these, I'd recommend Sidisi, Undead Vizier and Beseech the Queen.
Hope any of this helps. Let me know how the deck plays!
2 weeks ago
You definitely need to add some boardwipes, I only see the disk.
Maybe add these cards:
Panharmonicon if you go with an etb theme
Manglehorn make mana rocks come in tapped
Reclamation Sage etb removal
Eternal Witness expensive but on theme
Viscera Seer cheap, sac to scry not bad, especially if you want to reuse a creature for an etb effect
Satyr Wayfinder self mill
Sylvan Safekeeper SUPER good for protecting your big bois
Tatyova, Benthic Druid great if you're going for a landfall subtheme
Yavimaya Elder good for mana fixing
Coiling Oracle once you start playing from graveyard, essentially a draw spell
Meren of Clan Nel Toth with a sac theme, could be a good secret commander
Yahenni, Undying Partisan sac outlet
Wood Elves good ramp outlet once you start recurring
Archaeomancer good way to get back your non-permanents if you run self mill/wheels
Hermit Druid self mill
Maybe take out these cards:
Baleful Strix not a lot of utility unless you just need flying blockers
Notion Thief it will certainly be in the graveyard at some point, but flash is what it makes it so good; also no guarantee you'll have Whispering Madness to cast with it; you have several tutors though so maybe you could get it off
Sheltering Ancient buffs your opponent's creatures if I understand correctly; you'll have to buff at least one creature to even attack with this
Shriekmaw a little too specific about removal
Abrupt Decay cmc might be too low to use in some cases
1 month ago
What do you think of Acidic Slime since commander damage looks like one of your win-cons, and maze-lands are jerks. I did see some land destruction, but it's another option. Bloodghast + sac outlet + Grave Pact effect is legit. Journey to Eternity Flip, and Meren of Clan Nel Toth for graveyard recursion. You run impact tremors, but not Purphoros, God of the Forge. Birthing Pod, and Eldritch Evolution for additional tutoring to board. Another theme here is tokens so what about Panharmonicon? My Prossh is more of a threaten, and eat build. I think I run a total of 9 threaten effects, and 10 sac outlets. Check it out at That's so Prossh. Maybe it'll give you some other ideas. Indestructible creatures taste best!
1 month ago
Remove anything that doesn't say, "you may draw a card when a creature enters" or you might just deck yourself with your all-cheating. Momentous Fall, Soul's Majesty, or Life's Legacy could probably draw much better than Elemental Bond. With all the card draw this deck does, some redundancy with maximum hand size helps a lot. Spellbook, Library of Leng, Thought Vessel
I'm thinking a Brass Squire would be a nice inclusion, especially with some of my suggestions, or just because you move a lot of equipment around. Helm of the Host, can let you copy Grothama and have it fight itself for 20 cards drawn.
There are two big glaring weaknesses of this deck: Flyers, and removal. For removal best to worst: Beast Within, Song of the Dryads, Karn Liberated, Argentum Armor, Steel Hellkite, Spine of Ish Sah remove anything. Reclamation Sage, Acidic Slime, Bramblecrush, Woodfall Primus can slow down your opponents while building your board.
Never go without graveyard interaction, Tormod's Crypt, Scavenging Ooze, or Relic of Progenitus will put an end to the Spore Frog + Meren of Clan Nel Toth combo, Archaeomancer + Time Warp, and other shenanigans
Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar and Ulvenwald Hydra are both giant reach creatures that hang back on D. They can fight Grothama and live too, just be sure to Fog so they don't go attacking with 10 damage marked on them. Tornado Elemental, Whirlwind, or Hurricane can deal with your archetypal Angel, Demon, or Dragon, tribal decks. Alternatively, Deadly Recluse or Hornet Queen will make no one want to attack you
1 month ago
Couple things that were missed:
Also, Modular can only target artifact creatures. Unless something is making Meren an artifact, you cannot target her with modular.