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Esper Charm Discussion
20 hours ago
mtggoldfish gives a very good idea of what the current metagame looks like.
I did some testing and your humans matchup is decent. It depends heavily on you resolving a board wipe, but doing so isn't too hard for the deck and if you can pull it off you basically just win because your end game is unstoppable. Because of that, I'd play 3-4 boardwipes in the mainboard. You usually won't have time to gifts for them, but having enough to consistently draw them will be really good for the deck. And you have so many ways to discard them that drawing them at the wrong times shouldn't be an issue.
This meta is very sad. I'm more convinced now that Esper Charm doesn't belong. If you stabilize, you won't need it. And if you try to cast it before you stabilize you'll probably just lose. At least against the Aggro decks that's the case. Vs the control and midrange decks... you're probably already better than them. Sure, the grave hate sucks, but you make them have it. And if they do, then you can still hardcast Obzedat and Liliana and other good cards and try to grind them out playing fair. I've done it more than my fair share of times while playing Grixis.
1 day ago
Woah, welcome back!
First thought: add Wrath of God to the mainboard. Wraths are really good right now. WW is a difficult cost, but it's probably worth it. Another option is Languish if you want to stick to BB - Languish is also nice because it leaves Obzedat alive.
This deck is in kind of a bad spot in this meta. There are a lot of graveyard decks, and accordingly a lot of graveyard hate. Expect to face Leyline of the Void. Not every match, but often enough to warrant preparation for it.
Search For Azcanta.... I keep going back and forth on it. Vs UW Control and Jund it's really good. But it's also very low-impact against the many aggro decks of the format. I've been doing a lot of testing with varieties of grixis decks, and I think I've settled on not playing Azcanta in Grixis, but that could change in the next week. Whether you play it or not depends heavily on how you think you fare vs control decks and vs aggro decks. If you need another card to beat control, then play Azcanta. If aggro decks are a struggle then I'd pass on them. This deck is so graveyard-dependent that Azcanta is probably a very good card to play.
I don't know how good Esper Charm is right now. I'd expect it's in a poor spot, but then again it's also an amazing card. My intuition for how this deck should be built is really bad. I'd never be able to brew this kind of deck.
Get ready for Assassin's Trophy. It's coming and it's going to be a scary time ahead. This is a good time to add another basic land to the mana base. But 4 is still pretty solid. Field of Ruin is also a card now - it's amazing for dealing with opposing Search for Azcanta Flip, Celestial Colonnade, and Tron lands. You have color-intensive costs, so I wouldn't play more than 1, but it's a really good 1-of.
Honestly, the sideboard is what needs the most changing, but I don't really know this deck's angle in the different matchups. I don't think Leyline of Sanctity is good right now because Storm will bounce it, KCI will kill it, and burn always has Destructive Revelry.
I'm sure I'm forgetting things, but I gotta get sleep. I'll definitely come back to this more. This has always been one of my favorite decks on the site. Easily in my top 5 favorites.
1 week ago
Im going to make these suggestions under the assumption that price is not an issue.
- Topdeck Manipulation
- Scroll Rack: is the card for this deck. Hand and topdeck manipulation with no equal.
- Sensei's Divining Top: Another fantastic artifact for controlling your draws.
- Soothsaying: Topdeck fixer. Cheap enchantment and a good mana sink. Basically a not as good, but cheaper alternative to Scroll Rack.
- Scroll Rack: is the card for this deck. Hand and topdeck manipulation with no equal.
- Abusing ETB options
- Panharmonicon: Why have one when you can get two? (Double ETB triggers).
- Riverwise Augur: Brainstorm ETB effect.
- Flickerwisp: 3/1 Flier, lets you get another ETB effect from a creature you already played.
- Glimmerpoint Stag: Strictly worse Flickerwisp.
- Conjurer's Closet: Single flicker effect on end step, it is slow and not a top recommendation
- Karmic Guide: Abuse-able graveyard recursion
- Angel of Serenity: Removes 3 cards each ETB and returns to hand instead of battlefield when it leaves.
- Magister Sphinx: Puts target opponent at 10
- Massacre Wurm: Great way to wipe tokens
- Sunblast Angel: Boardwipe ETB
- Pilgrim's Eye: Never miss a land drop ETB
- Mnemonic Wall: Return instants and sorceries from graveyard ETB, also a good wall
- Noxious Gearhulk: Destroys creatures and gains life on ETB
- Cataclysmic Gearhulk: Great way to clear a cluttered board.
- Big Game Hunter/Shriekmaw/Bone Shredder
- Ashen Rider/Angel of Despair
- "Better" spells (ie, better cards that do what cards you have do)
- Teferi's Protection: This card is busted by itself, coupled with your commander's ult and its just unfair.
- Counterbalance: If you have enough topdeck manipulation this can be a powerful card, but i can understand not wanting to run it.
- Homeward Path: Lets you (everyone) get back their creatures but not other non-land permanents
- Saving Grasp
- Supplant Form
- Mystical Tutor/Enlightened Tutor/Vampiric Tutor: One mana tutors that put the card on top of your library. I would definitely run Mystical Tutor at least.
- Fabricate: Tutors an artifact. Highly recommended should you buy the Scroll Rack or other good artifacts (Not worth it if all you have are mana rocks)
- Chromatic Lantern: Still the best 3 drop mana rock for multicolored decks
- Voidwalk: Another means to get your creatures back after you ult
Cards that I would consider taking out
- Primordial Mist: Clunky and slow and you have pretty much removed all of the other manifest cards it doesnt really fit.
- Jeskai Infiltrator: Another manifest card
- Enigma Sphinx: It is very expensive card for a 5/4 body, even with flying. It has no ETB effect to abuse (since you have to cast to get the cascade effect).
- Sphinx of Jwar Isle: Unnecessary Effect
- Conundrum Sphinx: There are far better and cheaper card draw effects... Loyal Drake for example
- Sphinx of Uthuun: Expensive for a Fact or Fiction
2 weeks ago
3 mana, 3 counters for Ramos, and a ton of different effects for multiple situations. Obviously not all of those should go in your deck, but I would definitely throw in your favorites.
4 weeks ago
I have also considered the problem with not having enough hard removal, currently I am trying 1 Lightning Bolt>Terminate probably, mainly cause I find the lifegain from Lightning Helix to be very strong against a lot of currnetly popular decks, but either is a viable option tbh. The Main creatures that I have had the problem with personally is Tarmogoyf, Gurmag Angler and Tasigur, the Golden Fang. I've always considered a resolved Primeval Titan to just mean gameloss, given that I haven't actually fought bloom titan in my last 800 games (according to the list I keep) and versus Titanshift it really is just game over.
Dreadbore is a card I have also been considering, sorcery speed sucks, but killing planeswalkers is obviously very helpful.
Supreme Verdict is hard to cast. There aren't many great wrath effects in modern really tho, and I really feel like the deck needs to be able to do something against a flooded board, Godless Shrine is something I have trying in place of 1 Watery Grave.
Esper Charm is prolly next on the chopping block to speak from my sideboard, what I like about the card is mainly that it does something in matchups where I normally have a lot of dead cards, like Tron, other control decks, combo decks like Ad Nauseam and Bogles (lol why bother tho), it is a decent way of dealing with cast triggers too (draw phase discard 2), but for sure isn't the best card in the deck.
Regarding matchups, I never finished the section cause I haven't had time quite yet and will now give my thoughts on how you perceived the matchups.
- Amulet Titan: Haven't fought on MTGO in my last 800 games, can't say, my guess would be its fairly even.
- Death and Taxes is just plain miserable too fight, a lot of the time they can just land Leonin Arbiter before you drop your second land and then it's just over, other times they draw Ghost Quarter after Ghost Quarter. This is fortunately for us not a very common deck, but def one I would avoid if possible. I honestly don't really know what put in your sideboard to deal with it effectively either as it attacks your mana, something like Alpine Moon targeting Ghost Quarter would be an options I guess, but not a massive fan of that plan as imo its otherwise not a great card and sideboard spots are scarce.
- Storm, I actually like fighting storm with this deck, post-sideboard you can bring in Damping Sphere, Leyline of the Void and some of the general good stuff from your sideboard, you can ofc whiff and not draw any of your sideboard cards, but that's the case with all decks, but overall I have a good record against them, as both spot removal (for Baral, Chief of Compliance and Goblin Electromancer, Counterspells for EoT Gifts Ungiven and Echoing Truth together with hatepieces Damping Sphere and Leyline of the Void
- Tron variants are all fairly annoying, as they're quite easy if you draw good (like Damping Sphere, Stony Silence, Logic Knot and some lands) basically means they don't get to play the game, while most hands w/o Damping Sphere are very hard to justify keeping as T3 World Breaker into T4 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger is a real risk that not even counterspells can protect you from.
- Burn is a matchup I personally despise, while it is winnable, I wouldn't say its good, the 4 Lightning Helixreally do improve it a lot, and imo Kolaghan's Command is also good here.
- Most Jund variants are good matchups, but jund is a very diverse deck, just a few days ago (well GB to precise), with 8 manlands, 4 Liliana of the Veil, 4 Tireless Tracker and 3 Thrun, the Last Troll maindeck, which was obviously a miserable experience, so it varies a lot depending on the jund deck. Other times they run with few of the control-hate pieces and you kinda crush them.
- Ponza is a deck that feels tailored to fight us, strangely enough I have won both the matches I had against it, but I am fairly certain that was pretty lucky tho. Basically I just try to keep fetches uncracked for as long as possible and I am not scared of shocking myself multiple times if needed, but I am certain that my 2 wins against this deck wont repeat themself often.
- UW(G) Spirits are actually alright to fight, Spell Queller and Geist of Saint Traft are the only real threats they have, Izzet Staticaster pulls a lot of weight here post-board too.
- I personally hate fighting other control decks, mainly cause of Search for azcanta and Teferi, Hero of Dominaria as they can make the matchup feel very luck reliant. How good one is against other control decks is also very much a question of how much sideboard you dedicate to it, Esper Charm, Dispel and Negate are all obviously great here, but this deck in general lacks a way to deal with t2 Search for azcanta while being on the draw. Spell Snare could be an option, but I personally do not like the card. In general this deck has rather few ways of dealing with other control decks, if compared to for example, UW control which runs more Celestial Colonnades and actually runs Ghost Quarter and/or Field of Ruin, while having a bit more counterspells. Overall tho, control is rather rare in the current meta and I can accept having a slightly below average winrate against the decks.
- Hollow One variants are actually fairly reasonable with this ye, adding in a Terminate would obviously make it better, but Kolaghan's Command really is amazing here.
Mardu Pyromancer really comes down a lot to Blood Moon, if they manage to resolve on its generally over, but usually you have a decent shot at stopping them, or at least fetching accordingly, in which case the matchup is rather favorable, especially postboard with Izzet Staticaster
Humans, decent matchup, I'd say something like 60-65% in our favor probably, we got a lot of removal, but the nut draws from humans are basically unbeatable. Izzet Staticaster can also be amazing here.
- Living End I haven't faced either, but should be good with Leyline of the Void and a few counterspells and Supreme Verdict
- Vengebridge variants are imo easier than the straight up B/R Hollow One decks, as you can usually (not always) get a hand with Leyline of the Void and make them play a very bad aggro/midrange deck with a lot of dead cards.
- Ironworks is one of those matchups where you will rarely drop a match, between Damping Sphere, Stony Silence , Leyline of the Void, Kolaghan's Command and counterspells you're almost gauaranteed to draw a starting hand that makes them miserable, so far my record against them in 5 - 0 with few of the sideboard games even being "real" games.
- Death's Shadow depends a lot on what variant, Grixis is imo the worst one to face, but even that one is prolly around 45-50% chance to win, the non-blue variants are considerably easier as you can generally either stock up on burn spells and go face, or boardwipe>counter everything and win the more normal way.
- Titanshift sucks to face, I have considered picking up Runed Halo,Leyline of Sanctity or Alpine Moon specifically for this matchup. Their actual combo isn't even the main problem, its that they can often kill you just by playing lands at you, even if you counter their bomb cards.
4 weeks ago
Hey me again ^_^
I have done testing with this deck in MtGo and in real life MtG and this is working deck and I have loved it but there have been some things that I personally have changed.
First there aren't enough of hard removal. I have had many situations that bolt/helix wasn't enough (like Restoration Angel, Tarmogoyf, Primeval Titan and planeswalkers) and I have tested some other removals like Terminate Fatal Push and Dreadbore. My personal favorite was 1 terminate to mainboard and 1 Dreadbore to side.
Secondly Supreme Verdict is too hard to cast if opponent has even some land destruction like Ghost Quarter so I have added 1 plains to the deck but I am not sure what is the best land to take out for it. (I haven't tested that if Godless Shrine or Sacred Foundry would do the same.)
In sideboard I haven't used Esper Charm in many games and I personally haven't liked it really much but that may be only preference
My little changes what I have done:
Also tested Torrential Gearhulk and ended in that it is personal preference do you want to play it over 1 tasigur or Nicol bolas (I love that card in this deck because it is always 2 for 1) or do you wan't to play only 3 Snapcaster Mages
The decks that I have faced with this:
- Amulet titan (Not the hardest but I cried when I didn't have hard removal to titan)
- Death and Taxes (Hard match up because it has so much LD)
- Storm (Combo isn't easy but with Damping Sphere it is manageable)
- Mono G-, eldrazi- and mono blue, Tron (Without Damping Sphere this match up is really depended does you opponent has cast triggers)
- Burn (Lightning Helix + Snapcaster Mage make this manageable)
- Jund (With fast Tasigur and other threats it is win able and isn't super hard)
- Ponza (I couldn't win this match up because there is just too much LD and blood moons)
- UW and Bant spirits (With deck full of small efficient removal actually pretty nice match up)
- Different types of control (Every discarding card in these match ups is AMAZING but in the end skill is the thing that determines the winner)
- Hollow one (Actually pretty good match up thanks to Command because it kills almost everything but against angler and tasigur I cried)
- Mardu Pyromancer (If played correctly this can be surprisingly good or even match up)
Sadly somehow I have missed all the
- Living End
- Death's Shadow
- Titan Shift
But surely they will come someday
Those are my experiences and hopefully these testings can give you some information and ideas how to improve this deck. Also would love to hear your experiences of this deck because it can help me as well to learn this deck more because it is awesome deck.
1 month ago
I love the look of this deck! I wanna try it. Only two things popped up to me when looking it over. Fewer walkers than I expected, and the two mana artifacts. They seem kinda random that could be replaced with other things like maybe lifegain spells such as Blessed Alliance since it seems you're not afraid to take some damage from your commander/covenant/dismember. Or draw power like Sphinx's Revelation or Esper Charm or something. Idk.
1 month ago
Hey everyone! I need me a Teferi or 2, and though I want to look through some binders to see what I might have for you.
I do have a set of Bloodstained Mires that I literally haven't used since Khans came out, so I could let go of those. I also have some notable UW Control foils that I could swap down into nonfoil+value, like pack-foil Celestial Colonnades, foil future sight Logic Knots, a couple foil Remands, foil Esper Charms, fire and ice Lightning Bolts, promo Serum Visions etc., but I do need nonfoils in exchange as well. Just let me know what you're looking for or drop a link and I'll take a dive into your binder and see what I can drum up for you. =D