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Hunter's Insight Discussion
10 hours ago
Burgeoning and Exploration (and others like them) are not really that good unlest your deck draws a lot of cards consistently. If you have one them in your opening hand together with a lot of lands, then they are super flashy, but they stop providing value really soon and they don't do anything else on their own. You can make a case for Exploration synergizing with Courser of Kruphix, but I still bet that most of the time they're a dead card.
Allow me to demonstrate. In this example im naming Burgeoning, but the same is true for all the other cards that just give you additional land drops from your hand and do nothing else.
Let's say your opening hand with Burgeoning looks like this.
L, L, L, L, B, X, X. and in the first three draws are X, X, L. (L= Land, B= Burgeoning, X= Some other spell)
This would be a really good opening hand for Burgeoning, maybe optimal.
In the first turn you play Burgeoning and by the second turn you have four lands on the battlefield and four cards in your hand. At this point the Burgeoning will basically stop working. On turn three you'll have five lands and four cards.
If instead of the burgeoning you had something like Llanowar Elves you'd be one mana behind on turn two and three, by turn four you'd have the same amount of mana, but by turn five and later you would have one additional mana from the elves that you wouldn't be getting from Burgeoning.
That is the best case scenario for burgeoning, if you get it mid game is mostly useless, the elves will still give mana and be able to chump block in the mid and late game.
So, does Burgeoning really deserves the spot in the deck so you can be one mana ahead in turn two and three if you happen to get it in your opening hand with the right amount of lands? (comparing to a cost one mana dork) Taking in consideration that two or more players will have to lose 40 lifes for you to win, it doesn't earn the spot. But you can get enough value out of it if your deck is made to draw a lot of cards consistenly all the time or your deck revolves around land mechanics.
At this point, the way I see it, you have three options: Jumping with both feet into the land theme, adding as much card draw as possible or removing them in favor of other ways of mana ramp. You can also do a bit of the three options if you want.
If you really want to go all in with the land theme, you could keep all the "additional land drop cards" (not Burgeoning) and add Oracle of Mul Daya for more land from top of library and Ramunap Excavator to reuse your fetchlands from the graveyard over and over and then your additional land drops would always be spent. If you were to add the Ramunap Excavator then I would also add Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse or other lands that enter untapped and you can sacrifice without paying mana like Ghost Quarter. Everything I said about the Ramunap Excavator is also true for the Crucible of Worlds, which I don't like to recomend because it's way too pricy for me.
Even if you decide to remove the land drop pack, your deck could benefit a lot from more card draw. Commander games most of the times are an endurance race and the guy who ends up running out of cards and is relegated to one draw each turn, is the most likely to lose. Currently you have as reliable card engines Garruk's Packleader, Elemental Bond, Garruk, Primal Hunter and Lifecrafter's Bestiary. I'm not counting Selvala, Heart of the Wilds, Vizier of the Menagerie, Courser of Kruphix, Zendikar Resurgent and Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury because I don't think they are reliable enough or in the case of Zendikar Resurgent it's too late-game, more like a finisher by itself (you kinda enter in god mode) than a mean to get to an end and if you get to put it on the battlefield but your hand is empty, it will be of little help to you. I'm not saying these cards should go out, I like all of them and I run them in several decks, it's just I can't count them as card draw.
I would add about four to chose among these (I find that at eight card draw engines the decks starts drawing cards consistently) Hunter's Insight, Life's Legacy, Greater Good, Momentous Fall, Hunter's Prowess, Soul's Majesty, Rishkar's Expertise, Mouth / Feed, Shamanic Revelation, Regal Force (I'm not really a big fan of this last one but maybe in a mono green works fine).
If you decide to remove some or all of the land drop cards you can add instead Overgrowth, Worn Powerstone or Thran Dynamo as a bit heavy but efficient mana rocks and Birds of Paradise, Wild Growth or Utopia Sprawl as first turn rampers.
Instead of (or maybe together with) Elvish Piper and Quicksilver Amulet you could use Champion of Rhonas (bigger body matters) and Deathrender (it's actually doing something useful while you don't have big creatures in your hand and also, mitigates the damage caused by board wipes).
Sorry for not formulating the proposed the changes as "card-A for card-B" like you wanted, but it's not always that simple. Maybe I see a card more useful than you do (or the other way around) because our respective metas are different.
3 days ago
Some improvements for the decks after messing with it. Noticed that the biggest counter to the deck is control. Currently takes quite a lot to get the deck going, and having stuff blow up sucks. Definitely turn 4 (or earlier if you can ramp) get Tana out, and next turn play Sidar and start swinging with Tana to start getting saprolings out ASAP.Early game needs to focus on ramping and getting both commanders out and pumping out Saprolings ASAP. I noticed that hydras were a bit of dead draws. I never really wanted to play them over buffing on Tana.
Card Draw:Skullclamp Can use a few saprolings for good card drawHunter's Insight Play this on Tana. Worst case 2 cards, best case a lot more (if she's buffed)Keen Sense While only one card, 1 mana for guaranteed card draw per turn is nice.Regal Force Luckily Saprolings are green, so this can be a juicy card drawer.Fecundity With skullclamp = lots of cards. Otherwise a board wipe isn't an issue eitherSlate of Ancestry Gets rid of that bad hand for more cards, especially if hand is getting empty.
Buff Cards (replacing some blood rush could be helpful):
Chorus of Might
Intangible Virtue Can be beneficial if you only apply 1 buff to saprolings (so they cant be blocked)Might of the Masses Give Tana a huge buff for 1 mana
Triumph of the Hordes Can easily win with infect, or kill people with it
Brave the Sands Have an army of blockers and attackers constantlyGratuitous Violence Double damage without double strike
More Saprolings:Second Harvest
Parallel LivesPrimal Vigor
Verdant Force This one is amazing
Selesnya Evangel Helps get the early saprolings out.
Growing Ranks Again 1 saproling per turnSecure the Wastes While not saprolings, you can just make some soldiers instantly
More removal:Aura Shards This will shit on Zur so hard.
More ramp (Accelerates game, mana fixes, and reduces chance of annoying land draw):Harvest Season Swing in with saprolings and Tana and double landObelisk of Naya Fixes mana a bit since it is 3 colorsExplore
Nature's Lore Pair this with one of those dual color cards that have Forest type for good mana fixing
Land:Getting some more dual colored lands can be helpful. Especially those scry lands.Also potentially Naya Panorama if you think mana fixing could be useful (green has good ramp to do the fixing you would want anyway).
Infinite Combats and win:Breath of Fury
3 days ago
Thanks for the advice, I didn't have time to add my side/maybe board, Harmonize is included on the list and more cards like Hunter's Insight or the ones that use the number/power of creatures to draw cards instead.
Indeed not budget friendly, maybe after I get the more expensive elves. For now, using Quest for Renewal, not as good but works, most of the time.
3 weeks ago
Damm, I can't resist a good primer!
I'm a big fan of Deathtouch and I love to capitalize on it.
Deathtouch is amazing with Trample and with First Strike, but Rhonas is already Indestructible, so there is no need for First Strike unless you want to make Deathtouch a deck wide theme.
Give trample to a deathtoucher and it will only need to deal 1 damage to each blocker and trample the rest to the opponent, you can easily kill by commander damage. You don't need flashy finishers when your commander is cheap, big, unstoppable and unkillable.
Rancor is definitely a must, Vow of Wildness is efficient, Fists of Ironwood it's nice because the saprolings are great to protect Rhonas agains sacrifices, Berserk a bit expensive but absolutely OP for Rhonas, Ring of Kalonia, O-Naginata low costs and amazing, Loxodon Warhammer all time classic.
Ranged damage and provoking blockers: Nature's Way, Enlarge, Revenge of the Hunted, Tower Above, Nemesis Mask, maybe Seton's Desire. I'm not naming Fight effects because I guess you know them all already.
Pariah's Shield on rhonas and you will never be attacked again.
Rhonas biggest problem may be targeted spells that will usually exile him, bounce him or control him. Blossoming Defense, Ranger's Guile and Vines of Vastwood best thing for only one green mana, Hapatra's Mark is not as good but if you want a fourth one, it exists. Also Homeward Path is always good if you are not the one stealing creatures or animating them from graveyards. Brooding Saurian same effect just in case your meta is full of blue and black decks.
I'd say the amount of card draw you have is OK, but in my deck I would make some changes (personal preferences):
Regal Force out because it has a high cost and it is a "win more" card, If you are losing it won't help you much. You are not going to cheat it onto the battlefield so you most likely won't be able to do anything else in the turn and you'll have to discard many of them. You're not getting any extra juice from it either, no flickering in your deck.
Soul of the Harvest I actually like a lot this card, I put it in many decks, but it never stays long, it always goes back to the album.
Four cards you're considering are better options Elemental Bond, Garruk's Packleader (Lower cost and can trigger from tokens). Hunter's Insight is great, yes. Drumhunter perfectly on curve with Rhonas. I'd add to the list Life's Legacy: I know you don't like to sacrifice your creatures, but getting four or five ccards out of a creature for just two mana is a really good deal. Mouth / Feed I'm liking this card a lot, it gives you a 3/3 body in the early game and a slightly worse Shamanic Revelation from the graveyard. Also Garruk, Primal Hunter fits perfectly here.
Don't forget to include a Reliquary Tower and maybe even Thought Vessel if you feel you're having problems to hold you hand.
I wouldn't bother with the one drop mana dorks, you need a lot of them to be sure you get one in your opening hand, but they are kinda useless after that. It is not so important to have a second turn Rhonas, if they have a Path to Exile, Swords to Plowshares or Reality Shift they will be able to use it anyway.
I would however swap Cultivate, Kodama's Reach and Arbor Elf for Sakura-Tribe Elder, Nature's Lore, Rampant Growth and Emerald Medallion. Arbor elf is one of those one drop mana dorks, Sakura-tribe elder in the late game will be able to block and fulfill his duty of bringing a land. Cultivate and Kodama's Reach are great but they have the same mana as Rhonas, so you will have to delay Rhonas or cast them in the fourth turn instead of a power 4 creature.
Using CMC2 mana ramps will allow you to play Rhonas on the third turn and have a mana open for reactions (remember Blossoming Defense and the other instants to give hexproof I mentioned before?).
Personally, I'd cut all the CMC6 and higher except for Rishkar's Expertise, Seasons Past, Pathbreaker Ibex, Ghalta, Primal Hunger and maybe Zendikar Resurgent and Sandwurm Convergence. Using good lower CMC spells to activate and protect Rhonas making the deck lighter. Keep in mind that rhonas is also a mana dump for the late game and if you are using his activated ability during your turn you won't have mana available for big spells.
3 weeks ago
To lock down their commander I use Darksteel Mutation and then fly over with sigarda.My 3 cost card draw is Snake Umbra. I like the idea of the umbra to counter a board wipe, but yours might actually be a better move. (My deck ->Sigarda's Aura of Friendliness)
Enchantress's Presence costs too much real world money for me. I instead use Green Sun's Zenith and tutor up Argothian Enchantress for the same mana cost, or Eidolon of Blossoms if I have the extra mana to burn.
3 weeks ago
Need more card draw, a lot more:
Wirewood Savage, Elemental Bond, Mouth / Feed, Shamanic Revelation, Inspiring Call, Garruk, Primal Hunter, Hunter's Prowess, Hunter's Insight, Rishkar's Expertise. There are many on the same theme you can chose among. I usually try to fit at least 8 card draw spells.
Illusionist's Bracers Perfect for Marath.
The other Omnath, Omnath, Locus of Rage comboes nicely with Marath as he can pop 1/1 elementals that will that will trigger 3 points of damage when they die.
Forgotten Ancient to recharge Marath with counters, or anyone else.
Ordeal of Nylea enchant Marath and ramp two lands that very same turn.
3 weeks ago
Hi, I have My own Rafiq deck and it actually works quite consistently (at least in my meta of kitchen table magic) Rafiq of the mostly himself.. Rafiq is an amazing commander because he needs really little help to destroy your enemies wich leaves you a lot of slots open in the deck to oil the engine of the deck. On top of that he has a really nice color identity.
I Use 39 lands which may be a bit more than enough, but at least you don't get stuck.
To pump Rafiq I focus mainly on evasion so they dont just chump-block him, Cartouche of Knowledge, Rancor, Shield of the Oversoul, Steel of the Godhead, Unquestioned Authority, Whispersilk Cloak Shroud can be a hinder but this card is just bananas.
When I find an opening or I have a counter in hand I use Might of Oaks (if he hasn't been blocked) or Enlarge to one shot a player (7+3+1)x2= 22.
All those auras you use that give Rafiq just a super big body are a bit overkill in my opinion. If you just give him +2/+0 and some evasion he will only need two attacks to kill someone. Leave you mana open and brag about all the counterspells in your hand.
Forgotten Ancient: Almost forgot about this guy. Gives no evasion, but makes anyone super big.
It looks like you are lacking serously in card draw. Card draw is crucial in Commander because you won't be able to kill and fend from all other players just with your starting seven cards. If you are the player that's drawing one card each turn then you are most likely not going to win.
Hunter's Insight will draw you 8 cards for three mana just attacking with a butt naked Rafiq that happens to be unblocked.
Hunter's Prowess is a heavier version of the previous, with a sexy +3/+3 and trample. I hope you draw the Reliquary Tower.
Snake Umbra: Up to two cards per turn and protection from death.
Pull from Tomorrow: instant braingeiser, nuff said.
Fact or Fiction, Concentrate, Secrets of the Golden City: just flat card draw with a moderate cost, gotta keep the cards comming.
Rush of Knowledge an underated spell. will get you easily four or more cards.
And seven more cards that are cantrips.
Counters: Stubborn Denial, Swan Song, Arcane Denial, Disdainful Stroke as cheap counters. Faerie Trickery, Hinder because there are stuff that you just don't want to leave in a graveyard. This spells should be Dissipate and Void Shatter instead, It's in my "to do" list. Bant Charm one of the most versatile card in the game, the three options are good.
Blossoming Defense: protection/boost, Shelter: protection/evasion, Valorous Stance: Protection/removal.
Removals, if I'm not unblockable I will open a way myself!. My phylosophy with removals is "exiling matters" if I use a card slot in a deck in a removal, I want that thing gone for sure, gone forever and not triggering anything:
Bant Charm, Selesnya Charm, Crib Swap, Reality Shift, Curse of the Swine, Valorous Stance. Also Snakeform and Polymorphist's Jest get the job done against indestructible creatures. Provoke is a pet card of me, you gotta see their faces when you meddle in combat between opponents getting one or both of the creatures dead.With the naturalize effects I also want stuff exiled, too many gods and indestructible artifacts. Sylvan Reclamation, Return to Dust, Forsake the Worldly and then those that don't ecile but are too good not to use: Acidic Slime the ooze with deathtouch is quite unwelcomming for big attackers, Qasali Pridemage too on theme with the deck, Trygon Predator reusable naturalize and can destroy two each attack.
My decks are usually low on board wipes, they are boring because they set everyone back, you included. They are only a last resort for me, it works better for me removal of strategic targets but I still run three of them Cyclonic Rift as you, AEtherspouts set one player back to stone age and he'll become the punching bag of the table, Tragic Arrogance board wipe that you lets your main guy live and the worst creature of your opponents.
I have a card slot in the deck (I think I lost a card somewhere), one of the cards I may put is Cataclysmic Gearhulk
What I think you are doing wrong:
Yes, you land count is low, it is not 35 but even lower: Maze of Ith doesn't give you mana and Serra's Sanctum in your opening hand wont give you mana either. Then you have the three fetchlands that will take another land from the deck you may need to draw later. The moment you play first time Rafiq everybody will have have their hand overflowing with removals and there will be fewer targets more deserving of removal than him, it will take you forever to get back on your toes.
You lack awfully on card draw, you only have Rhystic Study, Betrayal, Enchantress's Presence, I you don't happen to draw one of them or they get detroyed, the deck will lag and you will lose. In a blue and green deck is a crime to be low on card draw, you need many cards to be sure you get to draw some of then and then they will call to each other, the more you draw the more draw cards you'll get to keep the drawing going. About ten to fifteen cards to draw is a nice number. If you put too many you will find yourself drawing only draw spells, not good either.Rhystic Study is a great card, works on its own and in the worst case slows your opponents, keep it.
Betrayal unless you find a card with a crazy ability that may get abused untapping several times, this card is a bit weak, It's better in a control deck that is already tapping the opponents' creatures.
Enchantress's Presence You have to make up your mind, is this an enchantress deck? because if it is you better be including all the enchantress (Argothian Enchantress, Femeref Enchantress,Mesa Enchantress and Verduran Enchantress) Eidolon of Blossoms, Kor Spiritdancer, Sram, Senior Edificer, and swap several of the cards for enchantments that do something similar (I.E. mana rocks for land auras like Wild Growth). Then you will have a decent card engine.
Eldrazi Conscription big flashy card that's more than Rafiq actually needs, it will be a dead card in your hand until you finally get some way to cheat it to the battlefield. You may at one point be able to cast it but you will run out of mana and expose yourself to removals. You could wait until you have 10 mana, but do you really want to? I would take it out of the deck unless I could consistently cheat it to the battlefield (like having Bruna as commander).
Flickerform Tried this card a lot of times, 90% of the times you won't have four mana available when you need it, that's a lot. also it gives nothing else to Rafiq.
Tooth and Nail: The same, you say you want to push voltron to the limits, but you can't help but including the nine mana cost spell that puts the combo in the battlefield.
The point of having a voltron commander is that he is the win condition.
Your deck want's to be too many things (a voltron deck, an enchantress deck, a control-combo deck), but at the end of the day is none. Try to focus on your game plan, you can't just fill a deck with good stuff and expect it to work consistently.
3 weeks ago
I love my cats deck! I know you have already seen my deck, WonderCats, but if I may make a few suggestions for yours? First off, I think the best thing you have changed is your mana-base: it looks pretty decent. Do you really own a Savannah? If so, good on you lol. Since you are only in 2 colors and have no Landfall, I would drop Terramorphic Expanse & Evolving Wilds, since in this deck Scattered Groves & Stirring Wildwood are "strictly better" (think about it.. even Blossoming Sands, Graypelt Refuge, Arctic Flats, Elfhame Palace, Selesnya Guildgate, & Grasslands are strictly better in this 2-color deck with no landfall/revolt triggers..). I really like Brushland, Sungrass Prairie, & Selesnya Sanctuary, too. I would also recommend Temple of the False God & Thran Dynamo since you have a lot of artifacts with colorless mana costs, though Gilded Lotus is good, too. Selesnya Signet & Sungrass Prairie can help filter the colorless to colored. Krosan Verge is terrible- at least go with Grasslands if you want that search for a non-basic, since it is free and the non-basic can come into play untapped (another "strictly better" situation). I would add Krosan Verge (which is essentially the same as Cultivate, & you already know how good that card is!), & another one of my favorite ramp spells: Skyshroud Claim! Notice how Skyshroud lets you bring in TWO non-basic lands.. UNTAPPED.. frikkin unreal ramp card. If you have even 3 colorless mana available, then Selesnya Signet basically costs one mana to give you ramp as well as make the other 2 mana colored. Pretty awesome early game- better than Rampant Growth, imo, though I don't run Rampant Growth myself. My last suggestion for mana-base is Strip Mine, mostly to get rid Maze of Ith, since it can be very annoying when running a Voltron strategy.
Okay- onto Instants/Sorceries.. why Condemn? With the "tuck" rules for Commanders now letting them go back to the Command Zone, why not simply run Swords to Plowshares? It is another "strictly better" case, imo. I feel Path to Exile is inferior to Swords to Plowshares in this format, but I do think even Path is still better than Condemn. Wing Shards & Crushing Vines are terrible, & Relic Crush isn't much better- Sundering Growth, Naturalize, & Nature's Claim are all good options.. & even better than those are Aura Shards & Krosan Grip. Rout & Divine Reckoning are ok, but I personally prefer Wrath of God, Catastrophe, & my pet favorite, Austere Command. The problem with Hunter's Prowess is that it costs 5-mana & is at sorcery speed.. I've found Hunter's Insight to be more useful in my own Voltron deck.
Enchantments: the Curses are kinda fun, but not effective enough to warrant a slot in an edh deck, imo. Something like Aura Shards or Sylvan Library or Greater Good or Asceticism or Duelist's Heritage has a much bigger impact on the game- & my biggest suggestion would be to add Sigarda's Aid! Amazingly broken card..
Equipment: Grappling Hook is good, but expensive- I exchanged it for Fireshrieker in my own deck & find it works better for me. Duelist's Heritage does much the same thing and is even better, imo. I LOVE Hammer of Nazahn, & if you have realized how amazing that free equip cost can be, then consider Sigarda's Aid! Add double-strike to either of those cards and then Bloodforged Battle-Axe becomes INSANE.. I have literally had 40+ Bloodforged Battle-Axes before, with 20-something equipped for free. Puresteel Paladin is obviously great, too. I think your Sword of War and Peace does as more harm than good- I personally cut both Sword of Feast and Famine & Sword of Light and Shadow from my own Arahbo deck due to the protection being a problem (not only because of the Eminence, but because of all the other cards in the 99 that target..). Sword of Fire and Ice avoids that problem in this deck, though, and is arguably the best of all the Swords. Umezawa's Jitte is INSANE. If it doesn't seem overpowered to you, then you have never played with or against it. Get something to have double-strike and it gets really crazy. Because of the shroud on Whispersilk Cloak, I personally prefer Prowler's Helm in my Arahbo build. I actually think it might benefit your deck more to cut some of the weaker equipment and add the ability to tutor for the better ones, ie- Stoneforge Mystic, Stonehewer Giant, Steelshaper's Gift, Open the Armory, etc.
Creatures- Dude, you cut Qasali Pridemage?!! He is one of the best Cats! He is basically a 3-mana destroy target artifact/enchantment that in this deck can swing for 6 damage on turn 3! Hungry Lynx & Arctic Nishoba are just plain bad, imo, & a lot of the other cats you have sit far too high on the mana-curve.. I would halve your 6-7 drops, tbh. Alms Collector under-performed for me, since drawing consecutive/additional cards isn't the same as drawing "two or more." Pride Sovereign is another under-performer that I cut, since we aren't going wide, but tall. A few MUST-have's that are missing are: Lost Leonin, Brimaz, King of Oreskos, Leonin Abunas, Mirri, Cat Warrior, & Skyhunter Skirmisher. I personally also really like Skyhunter Prowler, Chameleon Colossus (technically a cat!), Prowling Serpopard, Leonin Shikari. A few non-cats I really really like are Sun Titan, Stonehewer Giant, & Puresteel Paladin.
Anyways, hopefully I've given you some ideas.. Good Luck! I love my cats!