Torment of Hailfire
Repeat the following process X times. Each opponent loses 3 life unless that player sacrifices a nonland permanent or discards a card.
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|Mystery Booster: Store Edition (MYSTOR)||Rare|
|Mystery Booster: Convention Edition (MYSCON)||Rare|
|Hour of Devastation (HOU)||Rare|
Combos Browse all
- Increasing Vengeance + Torment of Hailfire
- Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter + Torment of Hailfire
- Torment of Hailfire + Unbound Flourishing
|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Torment of Hailfire occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.07%
UBR (Grixis): 0.52%
Torment of Hailfire Discussion
1 day ago
DrukenReaps - thanks, this is a good thought that hadn't occurred to me. I'm running kind of a lot of token decks right now but this is going on the maybe list for sure. Seems fun. I dig 'removal tribal' but she'd have to get in line behind Teneb, the Harvester and Shattergang Brothers. I haven't checked out her EDHrec page in a while so I'll look there too.
goodair - appreciate the reply. I've considered cutting consult and emphasizing ramp and storm, but I'm intrigued by this idea of using her as a ramp+burn commander. Aria of Flame, maybe Sphinx-Bone Wand and Flux Channeler? Torment of Hailfire? Could be a lot of fun...
1 week ago
- mistborn314 I'm aware of the primer problem, but I'm short on time to fix it right now.
Dream Halls is basically a double edged sword (a high risk high reward play). When you cast it, be prepared to kill or die this turn. The way I usually play it is setting the board first (1 or 2 cards that deal damage on discard/draw) and having a wheel in hand to cast after the DH. I run a lot of wheels in this deck, most of the times I'm able to chain 3+ wheels and win the game, but if you want a more "safe" way to interact with DM, try adding more counters and cards like Grand Abolisher.
I used to run Kess, Dissident Mage but people always shut her down pretty fast. I've been thinking about Yawgmoth's Will for some time , but I don't have the money for it right now. Underworld Breach is a nice substitute, thogh.
I reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllyy like Hive Mind, Omniscience + Show and Tell , Torment of Hailfire, Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter (won some fun games with these cards), but it is quite understandable for someone to cut them off (I even recommend it in the primer, before the code start trolling me lol).
Thank you a lot for the info exchange and sorry it took me some time to reply! o/
2 weeks ago
My personal opinion says, you should pull Torment of Hailfire. Even though you list it as an alternate wincon, if your using Oona and have infinite mana, just mill your opponents.
2 weeks ago
@ Maizena, just a heads up, but still having trouble with the link to the primer.
On a different note, I am looking at building a wheel deck around Dream Halls, (WUBR, Tymna the Weaver and Kraum, Ludevic's Opus as the commanders). I am curious how you break parity once you wheel with Halls out since you basically refill your opponent's hands and turn all interaction into pseudo-Force of Will. I really want to build around Halls, but it seems foolhardy to go full archenemy and give your opponents god-hands. What's the line the of play here? How has Halls worked out for you? Is it worth it?
Overall, it seems like a really awesome deck. As a fellow wheel player, here are some cards worth considering:
Temple Bell and Geier Reach Sanitarium are sweet and simple repeatable effects that are pure gold in this deck. Additionally, Bell goes infinite with Mind Over Matter and Library of Leng--cards you already run. (Tap Bell to have the table draw, discard with Mind to the top of your library with Leng and untap Bell--rinse and repeat--deck the table but never yourself since your just redrawing the same card). Could be nice since it works independent of your commander in case he gets hated out of the game.
Duskmantle Guildmage is an insta-win with Mindcrank, can add redundancy for Bloodchief Ascension. Burning Inquiry is pretty good (better than Jace's Archivist IMO). Narset, Parter of Veils is a MUST--wheel and you are the only one with a hand. Plus, it's only $2 or something...
You run more shuffle wheels than I do, so take this with a grain of salt. I love Underworld Breach and Yawgmoth's Will to replay key cards--especially Breach, since you can cast Wheel of Fortune as many time as you can afford since it's not exiled. Mission Briefing, Snapcaster Mage, and Kess, Dissident Mage are pretty dandy utility single spell flashbackers. Bone Miser and Shadow of the Grave are hidden gems (don't appear on most lists). They go crazy with the discard wheels, Library of Leng, Mind Over Matter, and Dream Halls.
In closing, I haven't seen the deck play, but Hive Mind, Omniscience, Torment of Hailfire, Isochron Scepter/Dramatic Reversal, Mizzix's Mastery, and Wheel and Deal are fun, but they don't seem to fit the game plan of a Nekusar pain train. There seems to be plenty of wincons without jamming all of these amazing, but unrelated cards in there. They feel like "win-more" cards that deflects the focus of the deck. In the case of Wheel and Deal, it you don't net cards off of it but you give your opponents a full grip. You already run the best wheels aside from Timetwister, it seems like an extra "meh" wheel. Maybe cut some of these cards and go for low CMC interaction or cantrips. Just food for thought.
3 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
Hi Mrs and Mr. NV_1980
Thanks a lot for your suggestions! I'll firstly reply on the cuts, because those are always the hardest ;)
I have to agree with you on the Kess, Dissident Mage en the Shocker. Both cards are pretty cool but they now I've played this deck a couple of times I can't really say that their presence made a change in the game. Capsize neither, but I find it a too strong mechanism to cut it yet. Nicol Bolas, the Ravager Flip on the other hand I can't really cut. I mean, come on, it's Nicol Bolas. He's just awesome. He's worth that 1 card slot not fitting 100% to my strategy haha!
I like your thoughts about Teferi's Puzzle Box and Torbran, Thane of Red Fell! I've never even heard of that Dwarf! I'm having a little doubt if his isn't going to be a problem but he'd definitly be awesome on the field! I think I can change those 2 cards for the 2 cuts. I don't really want to go to that milling strategy as I have already have another mill deck and I'm convinced that a little mill doesn't work. It's either full pull mill or not at all, in my opinion. The Wheel and Deal I took out because it happend more often then not that I had a disadvantage of my opponents getting a new hand and I couldn't! I back then changed it for another wheel effect which I think I have enough now. Echo of Eons is another good suggestion. It misses out on the discard effect, but it has the flash back option so I'll reconsider that one. Torment of Hailfire is sick. I completely forgot about that card. I actually think I have it somewhere in my collectionfolder. I definitely have to find it!
The problem in the last couple of games is my manabase. I'm more often than not mana screwed or I can't seem to get the right colors fixed. I've already added 2 Mountains, Nightscape Familiar and a Goblin Electromancer (however this last one could maybe be cut because of the same reason you gave me with Kess, Dissident Mage)..... I play 38 lands (I don't count Maze of Ith in this) and 4 rampspells (3 signets and a Sol Ring). That should be enough, right?!
Anyway, a big thank you for your reply, your help and the eyeopener!
Kind regards, Mat
3 weeks ago
We figured the following cards would synergize pretty well with Syr:
With kind regards,
Mrs. and Mr. NV_1980
3 weeks ago
Thanks for the reply, Gracco. Wouldn't I be able to win with the Worldgorger combo and therefore not need to worry about drawing additional cards? Similarly, wouldn't Shivan Hellkite or Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius allow us to win through the Worldgorger combo just as effectively as Torment of Hailfire (although with much less style)?