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Rhystic Study occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.17%
WU (Azorius): 1.76%
UR (Izzet): 0.87%
UB (Dimir): 1.22%
GU (Simic): 0.67%
WUB (Esper): 0.9%
UBR (Grixis): 0.64%
BUG (Sultai): 0.56%
GWU (Bant): 1.09%
Rhystic Study Discussion
TWCE on Oracle Core
2 days ago
spuiopq Meme Journey seems better as a defensive option in the deck (with the breakfast pile) to shuffle Chain of Vapor back in and attempt to win again the following turn if the first one failed. With all of the Hulk piles there will be at least 3 devotion on board (Thassa's Oracle + Spellseeker/Cephalid Illusionist), and likely higher if the game lasts longer (Rhystic Study, Thrasios, etc.). Thus Meme Journey as a tech card really doesn't do much unless you have other removal on top of it. Since that's the case it's basically just better to run better interaction and have higher card quality than a card that isn't even guaranteed to stop the combo.
3 days ago
"Incorrect, DD pass is a legit line. "
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha holy moly I never thought I'd see the day. Yeah you are not a competitive player. This is just about the most dumb thing you can do while running Doomsday.
"No, it does not. Again, you can DD and pass or just Oracle/Consult/Pact. There are more ways to win than just DD. I focused my primer on the DD side of things because that is what I am experimenting with currently."
Unless you're starting with a hand that has your entire combo, my point is that your card draw is so low outside of getting a god tier top deck you aren't going to draw into your second piece fast enough before someone else wins. The point of layering combos is so that after your first combo is negated via stax or interaction you have a different approach that slips through the interaction or stax pieces. While Oracle + Consult is hard to stax and interact with, if you don't even have the cards in hand it doesn't do anything for you. That's the point. You don't run Mystic Remora or Rhystic Study or Dark Confidant or the suite of 1 CMC blue cantrips or good draw pieces. When Yuriko is shut down, you're simply going to be buried in card advantage from the other 3 players.
"Ruric Thar or Keranos - What? This is not cEDH, not even a little"
Tournament winning list for Ruric
Non tournament winning list but still a viable competitive list for Keranos
While outdated, both of these lists were viable in cEDH and could still easily be considered tier 2 or tier 3 decks, especially when running against some clown Yuriko list like this one.
"These are better examples, but still not ones I see very often if at all in cEDH."
All the green ones see play in Yisan as well as Selvala as staples. Do you even play competitive?
"Again, better examples but outside of Deluge, Rolling, and Covenant they are not seen much."
Sudden Demise literally sees play all over the place. You're joking me, right? Your entire response is a joke, right?
"It's quotes like this. Show some humility. Those were 6 examples of the most played decks that I see. Every pod has at least 1 of those. I play budgetless cEDH, so these are the most prevalent."
Do you really need me to link you budgetless cedh lists that include these exact cards? How many more lists must I link before you trust that there are lists outside of the 6 you have seen and tested against? Show humility yourself. You've been fighting tooth and nail against everything I've said because I said your deck struggles in certain match ups and because I called you a clown. You've deleted comments that were "too mean" because you got called a clown for making clown deck building choices. Who actually passes after casting Doomsday?
"I play a ton of cEDH and have never once seen Xantcha. This is not locally, this is via cEDH Nexus so there is no meta and it's a VERY large pool of players and I still have never once out of hundreds of games seen this commander."
Anecdotal. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it isn't run. I have played competitive EDH in paper in a 30+ person shop for multiple years and seen all these lists. Does that alone mean you will change your stance? No, because its anecdotal. These lists do appear and you should be mindful of them when brewing. I also have 0 way to verify how many games you've played, but if you legitimately 100% think you can win regularly by using DD then passing, you have probably only played kitchen table with your clown friends. Do you trust that ShaperSavant and friends are good and competitive brewers? Because these cards and these lists show up on their dedicated cEDH database.
Browse through these decks then come back and talk.
"Incorrect, I've DD and passed plenty of times. DD isn't my sole win-con either. DD, Oracle/Consult/Pact, or Triggers."
So after telling all 3 opponents in your pod that you're at half life and about to win on your next turn, they don't kill you or hold up interaction for you? Wow something tells me you don't play competitive Magic.
Also do you think you always have Consult + Oracle in hand? Myopic.
"I have no interest in "carving a name out for myself" but you're obviously offended that my deck has positive feedback so I must be doing something right. I have humility and I don't care about my name, I just care about brewing Yuriko, having fun. I don't get my jollies on shitting on people. Encourage people and support them, don't immediately, in your very first message to them, be condescending. You could have approached me in your first comment and said something like "Nice deck! I am wondering why X or X is not in your deck, can you elaborate on those omissions?", instead of immediately resorting to condescending tones."
I'm under no obligation to tell you "Nice deck" before I give feedback, especially if it isn't a good deck. However, my first comment was "Why don't you run X". Instead of responding, you took the passive aggressive bitch behavior of deleting + writing me a note in your primer instead of just responding and tagging me. Are you seriously triggered by someone asking "Why don't you run X?" Do you consider it condescending when someone questions your deck building choices? Are you literally 15 years old?
6 days ago
Deyosyf - Thank you for commenting!
While I do think the Squandered Resources combo with World Shaper is pretty nifty, I personally don't see myself getting much value out of Squandered Resources without World Shaper already on the field. With various fetchlands and other lands that sac themselves, I typically don't have to worry about having plenty of lands to play out of the graveyard already. On top of that, I'm not a huge fan of World Shaper if the deck doesn't have any sac outlets, which mine doesn't currently have. In the right deck this is a powerful combo, but for mine I don't have enough free deckslots to fit all of the needed cards in.
Gravebreaker Lamia is a card I've considered since it is quite good, but the problem is that it's not repeatable. With Sidisi, Undead Vizier, Sidisi can exploit herself so you can play her every turn without a problem. Combined with Animate Dead this is a powerful and cheap tutor effect (without Animate Dead, I probably wouldn't be running her). For Gravebreaker, I don't see the discount effect to be good enough to warrant running the card.
I do think Walking Ballista could be included in the deck, it's certainly not a bad card. The main issue I have with it is that it's kind of boring, haha. But yeah, especially in the right meta, Walking Ballista is very good for cleaning up small creatures, while still being an effective combo finisher. In my current meta, there's not a lot of small enough creatures, so I've just decided not to run it.
I will replace Growth Spiral with Coiling Oracle, I'm not actually sure why I hadn't thought of Oracle since I already own the card. So thanks for bringing it to my attention. I will test out Risen Reef to see if it's worth the extra mana. I feel like it's probably worth it, but I'll try to verify that before adding it to the deck.
As for Secrets of the Dead, it's not quite as attractive as Mystic Remora and Rhystic Study since it requires Muldrotha on the field to do much of anything. But I do still think it's worth running all 3. One of the main goals of this deck is to replay removal/interaction over and over again with Muldrotha, and Secrets of the Dead synergizes with this game plan perfectly. It might not be a card for every deck, but for mine it definitely puts in work every time I play it.
6 days ago
1 week ago
As Foretold can be a great way to start free casting counters, then you spend mana on draw and wincons.
Arcane Laboratory might be used to "counter" any extra spells people have. You only have to worry about one spell a turn.
Lands: You mana base can use some work. Myriad Landscape can help ramp if you sacrifice turn 1. Boseiju, Who Shelters All can help prevent counter wars. Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx breaks even with azami but might not be great...
That's all I can think of! I built a Baral deck a while back: Mr. Blue Sky | Baral EDH. Check it out, you might find something you like!
1 week ago
Yarok - You didn't link your deck. You can do it like this:
Also, I tried searching for it on the site and it didn't show up :\
[[deck:The Song of Phyresis]]
Wicker - You can link cards like this:
As for my thoughts on each card? I'll try and keep my tangents short lol.
Disallow: is cool, but not very good in a Sliver deck because it belongs in a Baral, Chief of Compliance deck. I mean, not only does it feature him in the card art, it actually lowers the CMC to , making the card a strictly better counterspell. I slotted in Mana Drain, but if cost is an issue and you want a good to decent counterspell that is not Counterspell i'd consider Forbid, Mana Leak, Arcane Denial, Hinder, Rewind, or Dissipate.
Kindred Summons: Cool. But can be a massive dude of a card if you dont have any topdeck manipulation ala Scroll Rack, Mirri's Guile, or Sensei's Divining Top. Notable combinations with this card would be Worldly Tutor or Vampiric Tutor.
Mystical Tutor: If your deck relies heavily on interaction/instant speed removal then this wouldn't be bad inclusion. The only issue is that MT won't be doing much outside of getting you some potential interaction, meaning that you'll be holding up mana you could be using to better establish your boardstate.
Coat of Arms / Door of Destinies / Vanquisher's Banner: Depends on how you want to build your deck - if you want to rely primarily on combat damage being your wincon then any of the previously mentioned are worth it. I'd run all three in addition to Shared Animosity, Magma Sliver and Sliver Legion.
Heartstone: Be careful with this one. It's effect applies to your opponents' creatures as well. I'd never include this because I like to be shrewd and not unknowingly enable my opponents to win. If you insist on including this you better be sure you're going to win on the turn you play it.
Distant Melody: I generally don't like spells that are contingent on how many creatures I have in play, because it's only good under very specific conditions that can be influenced by opponents. I'd go with Dormant Sliver or Synapse Sliver.
Cryptolith Rite: Is an okay card. I apply the same logic to this card as I would Distant Melody. This card is only as good as the number of creatures you have in play, which can be influenced by opponents. If someone boardwipes and this card is in hand it's literally a dead card.
Unnatural Selection: A fun card that used to be in this deck. I eventually cut it because it was banned in my local LGS which was hosting an EDH league. It obviously has great synergy with Sliver Overlord - but nothing else. The card is pretty niche - but it's fun. If you want to go for a more casual build with Sliver Overlord at the helm, then i'd run this.
2 weeks ago
Alright, in hypothetical Larryland where I am now in charge of making decisions, here is what I would do
First, establish criteria for the format
Shouldn't be too complicated, as there has already been lots of time spent discussing the format
- Bans should serve to stop certain combos or deckbuilding approaches from swallowing the meta.
- Bans should be justified off of power level for winning, not how fun or unfun the combo or style of deck is to play or play against
- General rules changes about the format should serve to open deckbuilding and allow for more interesting approaches to the meta and winning.
I think a couple rules changes should take place to open deckbuilding and allow more options, and allow cards to work as intended with the commander specific ruleset
- Commanders should hit the graveyard before returning to the command zone. This allows commanders like Child of Alara or other death triggers to actually function as intended while maintaining the command zone. Commanders should have the option of returning to the CZ at will from exile, the graveyard, the library, or a player's hand as an ability that doesn't use the stack, similar to mana abilities.
- Hybrid mana symbols should be perfectly legal as long as the hybrid symbols fulfill a color identity of your commander. For example, Boros Recruit should be legal in a mono-red deck. If a hybrid mana card has a mana symbol in the text box that it outside the color identity, it should still be excluded. For example, if Boros Recruit had a firebreathing ability for in the text box, it would no longer be legal in a mono-white deck.
- Restriction of the command zone to a single card. Partner commanders are still legal, but not legal to run them as partners in the command zone. Having a mix and match color identity and having guaranteed access to two cards at all times over one card is too strong. Bigger color identity means wider pool of cards to pull from, and the partner players are effectively starting with a 9 card hand as opposed to non-partner commanders starting with an 8 card hand.
Bans and Unbans
First, I would unban cards that the RC has banned because they are "unfun" or don't fit the spirit of the format
- Coalition Victory - If you can pull this off and cast the cost, go ahead and win
- Emrakul, the Aeons Torn - This costs 15 mana and channel is banned, this isn't going to break decks at all and most likely will only see play as an Ulamog alternate in Gitrog decks
- Erayo, Soratami Ascendant - This can be countered or removed or smart opponents can avoid triggering it. Once it has flipped, it is still removable although somewhat toxic. It definitely gets good mileage in EDH but people can play around this if they have even half a brain, which is what I would expect from competitive.
- Iona, Shield of Emeria - This is only banned now because Painter's Servant was unbanned. Certainly reanimator Iona strategies can cause problems, but hitting a 2 card combo for a soft lock isn't game shattering unless you are on a mono-colored deck, at which point it just becomes one of the things you must worry about. If Back to Basics and Blood Moon are totally fine for shitting on 3-5 color mana bases, I'm 100% fine with Iona for shitting on mono color decks.
- Library of Alexandria - I have no idea why this is banned in the first place. Most competitive decks are so tight on their land base and won't have a slot for this. Also most competitive decks wish to play spells on turn 1 and 2, which makes it harder to get the 7 in hand for the Library draw.
- Panoptic Mirror - If someone can assemble the ultra fragile Mirror + Free turn spell, and then gets an ENTIRE ROTATION of no one destroying it, I'm 100% fine with them taking infinite turns. Also consider that this combo basically costs to start, 5 for cast and 5 for the free turn. This card is banned because casuals absolutely loathe combos. Its unbanning could make Pox decks somewhat viable in competitive, and would be a boon to stax decks as well
- Primeval Titan - This card is a double tutor on ETB or attack, but its a double tutor for lands. If someone really wants to set up Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth + Cabal Coffers + Deserted Temple + Inventors' Fair (which fetches Rings of Brighthearth) then more power to them, as it requires either a blink effect or an entire rotation to THEN get the second set of tutors from attacking. Its big value, but honestly no reason for this card to be banned. It costs to cast
- Paradox Engine - the banning of this card made the format worse, as it knocked out tons of viable decks simply because "Too many casuals put down rocks and PE and oops into an infinite". The unbanning of this card opens up the format significantly, and allows weird decks like Hannah, Ship's Navigator or Dralnu, Lich Lord to be viable commanders, although definitely not tier 0 picks.
- Recurring Nightmare - Banned because of griefing almost 100%. Nobody likes being hit by some ETB creature that involves saccing or losing permanents, but it isn't fast enough to warrant a ban. It requires mana, AND a creature on the field, AND a creature in the GY.
- Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary - Selvala is basically a more powerful version of this because of the cantrips and you can play non-basic lands. This would probably become a tier 1 deck by basically copying the Selvala list, but I think the meta would be enriched from adding this as an alternate, similar to how Marwen has added instead of detracted from the meta.
- Sundering Titan - Banned because attacking a player's resources is seen as an unfun way to win. Its expensive to cast and not exactly game shattering when it enters.
- Sway of the Stars - This costs to cast for a weird Timetwister that sets life totals to 7. Sure there is potential for abuse with Suspend cards, but this costs 10 mana. Nobody is going to play this if it gets unbanned.
- Sylvan Primordial - Another board state changer that isn't really going to do as much as it looks when it lands. Sure, -3 permanents on board for opponents and +3 lands is neat, but it costs . Decks would rather win than assemble some blink or recursion loop for this card.
- Upheaval - This is banned almost entirely from a casual and time perspective. It makes games take longer. In competitive though, this card would be used with excess floating mana to THEN rip your combo. Almost definitely wouldn't see competitive play though, and the banning seems silly to me.
- Worldfire - If you can run a wacky suspend deck that abuses this to win, you have my blessing. It also costs to cast so someone will probably just win before you
- Yawgmoth's Bargain - This is a Necropotence that costs with the benefit of no-delay on the draws. If necro is legal, this should be legal.
My biggest reasoning for bans is that some combos are so strong and so hard to interact with that they become the go-to builds for certain color identities. When the optimal way to build 30 different commanders in the same color pairing is Flash Hulk, you have run into a problem.
- Flash - Arguably the worse part of Flash Hulk. Potential for abuse in a post-Hulk world with Academy Rector. This card has the potential for abuse with every single new creature printed. I don't think this card makes the meta more interesting, and I think it pigeonholes deckbuilding into "well why don't you run Flash Hulk, or Flash _". Flash combos are also difficult for other decks to interact with outside of Counterspell, which means when you're building for playing in a competitive meta, you are almost expected to play Blue due to how strong and warping this card is.
- Protean Hulk - Even with a flash banning I still wand this turd of a card gone. Finding hulk, reanimating hulk, and sacrificing hulk isn't interesting. There isn't very much skill there. The decks aren't interesting. There is a combo in practically every color combination for winning immediately after you get a Hulk trigger. It can be viewed as a 6-card into-play tutor, or a 5-card into-play tutor, etc. etc. I don't think the meta is more interesting or better for having this card be legal.
- Demonic Consultation and Tainted Pact - More boring and tired combo archetypes. Once again, tutoring for 2 cards and ripping the Consultation + Oracle combo doesn't really require much pilot skill, and it doesn't make decks more interesting to build. These cards are simply too efficient at what they do, and they are hard for non-blue decks to interact with meaningfully. The presence of this combo and Flash Hulk has basically relegated all stax decks to being tier 2 builds, as they have such an impossible time locking down these combos. The banning of these two cards and Flash Hulk would bust the competitive meta wide open. Also, between these cards or the Laboratory Maniac + variants in the combo, these are the cards that are way way way more degenerate than the other part of the combo.
- Rhystic Study and Mystic Remora - These are annoying and burdensome mono-blue staples that slow gameplay, and are auto-includes in practically any deck that includes blue. They function much better than intended due to the multiplayer nature of the format, and deckbuilding is less interesting and diverse because these cards are legal. They can singlehandedly run away with games when you have a single player in the pod who ignores them, and having your combo shut down because someone draw a Force of Will after getting 6 free draws is frustrating and extremely obnoxious. They also prop up extremely mediocre mono blue decks like Urza, Lord High Artificer and Baral, Chief of Compliance. Once again, I don't really think there is any skill in playing or building around this card, and the power level of "auto-include for any deck with blue" stifles deck building. Blue really doesn't need any help being good in EDH, let alone cEDH.
- Nature's Will and Druids' Repository - Targeted bans for Najeela, the other obnoxious tier 0 commander deck in the current meta. I'm not a huge fan of 1 card combos with commanders, because you always have one of the cards available at all stages of the game, and tutoring + playing a single card once again doesn't really speak to high skill or interesting deck building. The banning of these cards will peripherally splash and hit other decks, such as Edric, Spymaster of Trest, but I'm fine with that. Najeela and Edric will still have other options for executing these combos, such as Sword of Feast and Famine or Bear Umbra, but these are more mana intensive or more fragile combos with lower utility outside the combo.
- Tymna the Weaver - I have already advocated for removing partners from the command zone, but this card is so dummy strong as to be included in the 99 of other decks with some frequency. You can get the draws even if Tymna didn't attack (i.e. it just came in). You can get 3 draws a turn for the same mana cost as Phyrexian Arena, except that if done correctly you'll get the draws before you would get the Arena draws. This card is meta warping, this and Najeela are a big part of the reason the meta is so creature heavy right now. Decks either run this card, or they run ways to handle this card because a Tymna sitting on the board for 1-3 rotations gives such a fat advantage the pilot runs away with the game.
- Timetwister - A card that sees play because you save slot efficiency by spamming TT to create a loop of infinitely recasting spells, plus its a wheel effect for 3 mana that shits on decks assembling combos through the GY with cards. I'm totally hunky dory with high efficiency combos, but losing to a timetwister loop is boring, cumbersome, and takes the pilot 30 years to demonstrate and explain the loop to those who haven't seen it. Combined with the ridiculous price of the card, and the ridiculous powerlevel even outside the combo, this card should go. This is also another card that makes fast mana extremely degenerate, as someone going first and sticking Mana Crypt into Sol Ring into Chrome Mox into Timetwister feels extremely bad, and opponents don't even have the benefit of recurring their starting hand from the GY later on.
- Sylvan Library - The green Rhystic Study. Doesn't make decks more interesting. Doesn't make games more interesting. Its just cheap ways to get cards that becomes more ridiculous in the context of a format where you have double the starting life of the format this was printed for. The auto-include nature of this card means decks open up more when this card is removed.
- Lion's Eye Diamond - No, Razakats is not an interesting combo. No, bomberman is not an interesting combo. These are both degenerate and more shoe-horn "oh I need a combo to win" style combos. Bomberman is extremely degenerate as LED can be recovered in the face of targeted GY removal by simply stacking the Salvager trigger on top of the removal if you have extra floating mana, and pretty much the only way to really stop it is a replacement effect like Rest in Peace. Seeing someone play a bomberman combo then dump mana into their outlet from the CZ (whether it be Thrasios, Triton Hero or Breya, Etherium Shaper) isn't interesting, although I will admit it is fast. This card is much lower on my list of requested bans, but it is still there for how annoying Bomberman and razakats are, plus how easy this makes Doomsday piles.
- Hermit Druid - I want this gone for the same reason Consultation and Pact should go. Boring deckbuilding that becomes "UGx deck can run Hermit and Oracle to win", and thus you end up with twenty different UGx decks that look the same. Once you have seen this combo once, there isn't much merit to seeing it again. This card isn't as bad as Consult or Pact in my opinion, and once again it is a much lower priority for banning than those cards, as it requires a haste enabler to make it truly degenerate, or a way to flash it in at EOT before your untap step.
Cards I would avoid banning
As the title reads, things I think aren't a problem but usually draw comments for bans.
- Cheap tutors like Vampiric Tutor and Imperial Seal - Every single 1 CMC tutor goes to top of deck (besides Gamble and Steelshaper's Gift), which means you're -1 card advantage for casting them. Having the ability to assemble combos or seek a problem solving card doesn't blow the format out of proportion. Having players be able to assemble threats in a timely manner makes the format faster and more interactive. If you see an opponent tutoring, you know to hold up interaction or try to race them. I'm more interested in removing hyper degenerate combos that are hard to interact with or are resilient enough to win through interaction.
- Fast mana like Mana Crypt or Mox Diamond - If fast mana is banned, all decks will require Green for speed purposes from the high amount of turn 1 dorks (read: accelerators) available. Stax would become 100% dead as an archetype with these bans outside of Hatebear builds that include Green.
- Free counterspells like FoW or Pact of Negation - Keeps combo decks in check. Similar to how Force of Will keeps Legacy from being overrun by super speed combos, these cards also keep Commander in check.
2 weeks ago
First of all, I really appreciate the feedback! Your insight into Rings of Brighthearth vs Power Artifact is hugely helpful. I hadn't given thought to how much easier it would be to get Rings out. In thinking about swapping those two, including Trophy Mage seems a good move for more tutor.
As to the Memnarch issue, that particular problem of wanting fun cards like Memnarch or Walking Ballista, which take advantage of infinite mana, when you have Urza is something I keep struggling with. Though, I wonder if a card like Intuition or Finale of Revelation might not work out better? Finale is less mana efficient certainly but it also doesn't give opponents the opportunity to draw into answers. The Flashback is very appealing though, but it seems once the deck hits infinite mana thats game over no matter what.
I'm not sure how I skipped over Rhystic Study but that oversight has been corrected!!