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Planeswalker — Karn
+4: Target player exiles a card from his or her hand.
-3: Exile target permanent.
-14: Restart the game, leaving in exile all non-Aura permanent cards exiled with Karn Liberated. Then put those cards onto the battlefield under your control.
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Karn Liberated Discussion
2 days ago
4 Fatal Push and 3 Abrupt Decay are still a lot of "little guy" removal. Drowner of Hope and Reality Smasher can still give you a run for your money, I'll wager, not to mention Karn Liberated (Liliana of the Veil minus is a touch embarrassing against Walking Ballista/Matter Reshaper). Similarly in the discard suite, more Inquisition than Seize means that when you meet a deck that is trying to go big, you're not particularly well set up for the match.
Believe me, I understand that you have a potent sideboard plan with Fulminators, Extirpates, Ceremonious Rejections, and that ever so spicy Ashiok, but I am not sure that will be enough, simply because they might resolve one or two big creatures, and then it shall be a not very gg.
Murderous Cut can very easily be a t3 play. Say you have cracked two fetchlands and used one discard/kill spell by t3, which is very normal for a typical game. This means on t3, Cut costs 2, allowing you to kill something + cast Serum Visions/Thoughtseize. If you have done anything else, you can resolve a 2 cmc threat, and then play Cut for 1 (especially if you cast a t2 Jace). Cut's value lies in the tempo - you get to develop your board/disrupt your opponent while killing something else, and that is where it gets the nod over a straight up 3 mana kill spell.
5 days ago
6 days ago
I run a few cards in my superfriends deck that might be helpful in that case, as I have a pretty aggressive playgroup that knows what walkers can do. I had to learn to be prepared to lose at least one walker if I couldn't create enough blockers.
Awakening Zone is a good semi-budget card that creates chumps. Since you have 5 color, Sliver Queen would be a good producer too. I finally managed to get my hands on a Bitterblossom and that's been a real help too, cuz flyers, I see you've got that there. Definitely consider throwing Obzedat's Aid in as there is nothing more exciting than bringing back Karn Liberated at a discount.
I also run Moonsilver Spear cuz it's fun to slap on an eldrazi spawn and start pumping out angels. But that's just me.
6 days ago
@Busse That's partly because of how much effort it takes to ult a walker. Ulting a walker requires quite an investment, and is typically failed when attempted. If you were able to remove emblems from the game in an effect that say, exiles an emblem, think about it like this: the person who had the walker devoted creatures to block, mana to remove threats, and other resources to protect the walker and ult it. But for one simple card, the other guy can simply remove it. And I have to disagree with it being hard to deal with walkers. Direct damage for one is a really good way to deal with them, and they are hit hard by any bounce effect, as if it resolves they start back at their base amount of counters. Some of them such as Liliana of the Veil and Karn Liberated can be really powerful, but in the end they typically don't win games (by themselves) owing to the amount of investment needed to keep them alive for long.
Incidentally, what format are you talking about DemonDragonJ?
1 week ago
Still dont understand. Karn Liberated stands on his own as a very powerful planeswalker. He has nothing to do with what colors youre playing (which is why hes colorless) i could see why he wouldnt fit if you were playing mill or something. But yours is the first tron deck ive seen not to run the big man.
1 week ago
Hello all :).
Title says it all. Looking to sell my NM Karn Liberated. If you are interested, PM me. Looking to sell it cheaper than TCG mid price. Will provide pictures with serious buyers. I will also send in tracking package to whoever does buy the card.
Thanks for the look at my post!
1 week ago
At Profet93, I just checked out your deck and it definitely looks really nice!!! I almost went the creature-less route on this one but it would screw with my playgroup's meta a bit too much and would draw a lot more hate. I'll leave some comments on your page.
Shizo, Death's Storehouse is not needed here because Xiahou Dun, the One-Eyed already has horsemanship making him virtually unblockable. I have not come across another horsemanship user and the card would not be useful enough with my other creatures to merit a slot.
I like Overwhelming Forces more than Decree of Pain because of flavor and it being a much more political card. Sometimes you only want to knock down one unruly opponent. Also, it has no effect on your board-state (aside from drawing you extra cards).
Trading Post is a possibility. I'll need to test this out.
My grief with Corpse Dance is that I need to keep track of the order of my graveyard. Once people start seeing cards in my graveyard, everyone wants a look and which creature is the "top" creature becomes a blur. I love the card, but the added logistics make it frustrating to use. It might make a return soon and, if so, I'll cut out Necromancy. I'll probably also cut Reanimate in favor of Chainer, Dementia Master.
Snuff Out is there for flavor. I have the version with the Liliana art as well as the Liliana version of Demonic Tutor and SDCC versions of the usable Liliana planeswalkers. I could probably cut it for a foil Karn Liberated, but it has scored me some sweet kills.
Thanks for the advice!! It is definitely greatly appreciated. Always glad to run into another Xiahou Dun user!