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Hinterland Harbor Discussion
1 month ago
You have 11 taplands. 11. When playing cEDH, the most you have is 1. Ever. Yavimaya Coast , Botanical Sanctum , Exotic Orchard , Sungrass Prairie , Skycloud Expanse , Sunpetal Grove , Glacial Fortress , Hinterland Harbor , Razorverge Thicket , Seachrome Coast , Spire of Industry . You'll have to spend a little more, but it's only like $30. And without that, you're never gonna win at a cEDH table.
You're also not running Spell Pierce , Autumn's Veil , Dovin's Veto , Swords to Plowshares , Pongify , Rapid Hybridization , Path to Exile , Dispel , Mystical Dispute , Delay . Those are pretty much necessary. Also, Neoform , Eldritch Evolution , Eladamri's Call .
Most of your combos are . . . not cEDH viable. They require you to run taplands AND bad ramp cards and they require you to have several pieces on top of just needing several cards that aren't good outside the combo.
Now, is this a solid deck that will do well in moderately tuned games? Definitely. But it isn't competitive. And it is totally possible to make a competitive deck without going over $200, you just lose some of the speed and have to build your deck a bit differently to stay in the game.
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2 months ago
I most certainly can! Archelos is super cool and can really warp a landbase, as now you can include so many tap lands that normally aren't too powerful, not only giving you that sort of ability but also making the land base WAY cheaper! You also have to think about the lands BEFORE you put our Archelos though, and so I'd say a balance between better lands and tap lands are what you probably want to head towards. What you have so far looks wonderful, and certainly efficient, though again, you may want to include one cycle of a certain land, maybe Breeding Pool, Overgrown Tomb, and Watery Grave? These guys can help get Archelos out, but after he's out you won't necessarily have to take the shock damage from them which I'd say deserves them a good spot in the deck. Other ones that aren't necessary but could be worth considering are Hinterland Harbor, Woodland Cemetery, and Drowned Catacomb, since again they can come in untapped with Archelos and still be relatively good without him, and of course the bounce lands Simic Growth Chamber, Golgari Rot Farm, and Dimir Aqueduct, since they can get pretty powerful when they come in untapped. Since you have Fabled Passage, Evolving Wilds, and Terramorphic Expanse I'd say it's worth it to slot in a Ramunap Excavator or Crucible of Worlds, since you'd then get two landfall triggers per turn guaranteed, since you can continuously play the sac lands again and again. If this trick proves to be very helpful, you may want to consider slotting in more fetch lands like Prismatic Vista, Misty Rainforest, Verdant Catacombs, Polluted Delta, etc. Speaking of landfall triggers, I think Myriad Landscape would work AMAZING with Archelos, as not only would the Myriad come in untapped, but so would what it searches for, giving you three landfall triggers just off of that one card if you have two mana to spare. So honestly, I don't have too much to say about the lands, I think it's pretty solid at the moment though you may need to playtest a lot to know for sure, however, I did find a bunch of great cards that could work well with Archelos!
- Amulet of Vigor: If Archelos isn't out yet and you have a ton of tap lands, this guy could be of great use, especially for just a single mana.
- Root Maze: SUPER amazing card, this guy can tax everyone but you! On your upkeep untap archelos, have everything come in untapped, then tap him before your next turn and boom now everyone's artiafcts and lands come into played tapped for one mana besides yours.
- Coldsteel Heart: Basically a 2 mana, untapped mana rock with Archelos
- Cryptolith Fragment Flip: This guy can perform your goal of whittling away peoples health, as well as coming in untapped with Archelos. The flip side can also perform that whittling quite efficiently.
- Manascape Refractor: Comes in untapped- could be pretty fun to see how that works out!
- Arcane Signet: You should run this no matter what
- Orb of Dreams: Similar power and ability to root maze mentioned above, this can tax everyone else except you with Archelos
- Renegade Map: Basically 1 mana get a basic land if you have Archelos out
- Sphere of the Suns: Great with Archelos out and coming in untapped
- Terrarion: Seems pretty solid if it doesn't come in untapped
- Worn Powerstone: Like the rest, pretty sweet if it doesn't come in tapped and can be immediately used.
- Moss Diamond/Charcoal Diamond/Sky Diamond: Untapped ability again
- Honor-Worn Shaku: Allows you to tap archelos and get something out of it
- Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth: It's amazing why not run it
- Retreat to Hagra: Can be a great way of slowly ruining your opponent's health, especially with the extra land triggers I mentioned before
- Stasis: If you already have the things you need to slowly remove your opponents health, this can pretty much ensure victory.
- Verity Circle: SUPER amazing if I'm understanding it correctly, basically whenever your opponents play a creature since it comes in tapped with Archelos you draw a card, and has the second ability if you are ever in need of it
- A great way to slowly get rid of your opponents health is with recurring triggers that happen every turn, such as curses. Here are some that I found: Trespasser's Curse, Torment of Scarabs, Cruel Reality, Curse of Thirst, and Curse of Fool's Wisdom
- ANY COMBO WITH RETREAT TO CORALHELM. Edhrec names 1000+ combos with this card, so I'd recommend looking through it and seeing if you find anything that would work if you haven't already!
That's all I have, sorry it probably wasn't too much regarding the lands, but I hope I gave you some good stuff to think about! I honestly love the deck it has a super cool theme, and seems like it could work very well! That said though, hope this helps, and have a wonderful day!
3 months ago
3 months ago
At Nava's request i'm posting suggested changes, additions, cuts, and my thoughts on them. She requested that I not stick to only budget, but keep the max single card value under $30 (I kept it under $20 for the most part and largely even lower than that). As such, here are my thoughts and recommendations.
Courser of Kruphix- Ramp, pulls cards off the top of your deck so you are more likely to draw useful cards and just directly drop your lands onto the battlefield
Living Lightning- a useful elemental that allows you to recast your instants/sorceries
Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar- A very powerful card that also allows you to bounce your lands so you can replay them for more effects
Nyxbloom Ancient- Triple mana on an elemental.
Overgrowth Elemental- A useful elemental that pumps your creatures and gains you life.
Ramunap Excavator- Replay your sacrificed and destroyed lands. Fantastic in a lands deck. Omnath feeds on lands, and the more you drop the more cards you can draw and counters you can give out.
Roil Elemental- A fantastic landfall ability that allows you to grab key pieces from your opponents and use them against each other
Seedborn Muse take full advantage of your lands and abilities without worrying about being tapped out
Titania, Protector of Argoth- land recursion, elemental generation.
World Shaper- land recursion
Birds of Paradise- One of the best dorks in the game
Sylvan Caryatid- Fantastic dork
Brighthearth Banneret- You are a lands deck. You have more than enough mana and this simply doesn't do enough for you.
Chandra's Embercat- This will be a recurring comment from me. You are a lands deck with plenty of ways to ramp. This is a very limited card that costs too much and doesn't do enough for you. You are a lands deck. Increase the number of ways you can pull lands out of your deck to further your decks goals and increase the chances of drawing a non-land card that will help you more.
Embodiment of Insight- Too expensive for the effect. Also, personally I don't like turning lands into creatures as it makes them incredibly vulnerable without giving enough benefit.
Embodiment of Spring- Too expensive and not nearly good enough.
Generator Servant- The haste isn't important enough for your creatures as you very rarely have anything massive enough or has a useful enough tap effect that is being cast from your hand to require it. Furthermore, you are a lands deck with plenty of ways to ramp. This is a very limited card that costs too much and doesn't do enough for you. You are a lands deck. Increase the number of ways you can pull lands out of your deck to further your decks goals and increase the chances of drawing a non-land card that will help you more.
Grove Rumbler- This card is terrible. Four for a 3/3 trample that has an effect that will pump it slightly for one turn. This is awful. It feels like this card was only put in due to it being an elemental.
Lavakin Brawler- Rarely do you ever have enough elementals out for this to be worthwhile. Not that it's terrible, but there are so many better cards that can be put in its place.
Parcelbeast- Doesn't get enough value to justify the slot
Smokebraider- You are a lands deck with plenty of ways to ramp. This is a very limited card that costs too much and doesn't do enough for you. You are a lands deck. Increase the number of ways you can pull lands out of your deck to further your decks goals and increase the chances of drawing a non-land card that will help you more.
Tireless Tracker- This has nothing to do with your deck and you're better off finding other draw engines
Surrak Dragonclaw- No synergy with the deck and not nearly good enough to justify the high mana cost.
Field of the Dead
Bring your land count to 38 or so
Coral Atoll- This is terrible. I know you're going for the bounce effect, but this is far worse for several reasons. Firstly, it only gives you blue mana as opposed to multicolored. Secondly, it requires specifically an island to be returned as opposed to any land that you can then take advantage of. And thirdly, it requires the land to be untapped which means that not only does it come in tapped, but it requires an untapped island which means you can't even use that land and then return it for value. This is awful. I don't love the bounce lands either, but I understand what you're going for and their value. This has neither.
Lumbering Falls, Raging Ravine, Wandering Fumarole- These man lands are in here entirely because they can become elementals, but really aren't worth running. They are come in tapped, cannot be fetched, and cost 4 mana to turn into a creature, largely negating any benefit. They're really bad and I highly recommend cutting them for more basics.
Unclaimed Territory- Not really worth the value. It's colorless more often than not and another basic land will give you more value than that more often.
Mana Vault- Nava already owns a copy of this in her Nekusar deck, so it can be added here without issue.
Strionic Resonator- Copy all of your ETB triggers, as well as any other triggered abilities. Fantastic
Chaos Warp- Removal on your own pieces or an opponents. Bypasses indestructible and often is allowed through without being counterspelled due to the fact that it's usually replacing a piece that people agree is a fair target rather than outright destroying or removing without replacing. A fantastic card overall
Constant Mists- Great protection when you need it, plus it can be bought back if needed. Lands can be recovered through multiple means.
Disallow- A must have for counterspells. It covers all possible basis and is fantastic.
Heroic Intervention- Hexproof and indestructible at instant speed for 2. Amazing.
Krosan Grip- Split second artifact/enchantment destruction. Among the best removal for them there is.
Force of Vigor- Free artifact/enchantment removal with multiple targets.
Swan Song- 1 drop counterspell that hits everything but creatures. A great counterspell to have on hand.
Counterspell- There are better cards to replace this with that are still very cheap/budget and are overall better
Growth Spiral- A decent card but we can do better given the range of cards available in commander
Inspiring Call- See Growth Spiral
Return to Nature- There are so many better versions of this for an equal if not lesser cost. Or, for one more there are better cards which I will be recommending.
Struggle / Survive- Too limited, not enough value, not powerful enough.
Tale's End- This is just a bad version of disallow that very rarely gets any value.
Withstand Death- This is a bad version of other similar cards.
Wrap in Vigor- Very rarely do mass destruction effects happen, and when they do the usually say "cannot be regenerated". This seems really good but i've never really seen it get any value and will typically be a dead card most of the time.
Genesis Wave- Drop all the permanents (lands included) that you can afford.
Life from the Loam- pull lands from your graveyard and keep your engine going without running out. Omnath feeds on lands, and the more you drop the more cards you can draw and counters you can give out.
Nature's Lore, Three Visits- Pull forests (basic and non-basic that are forests) from your deck. Very helpful at any time.
Scapeshift- Grab all the lands you want, plus trigger your landfall and other such triggers
Splendid Reclamation- Pull all the lands from your graveyard. Nuff said.
Tempt with Discovery- If one person takes it then it's a better Explosive Vegetation. If more then it's an amazing card, but even if no one else does you get to pick your land and in a lands deck you will get more value.
Windfall- Refills your hand, interferes with opponent's plans, dumps lands in graveyard for later use.
Ground Assault- very limited and not worth running. There are better cards with similar if not stronger effects available to you
Hull Breach- There are better cards with similar if not stronger effects available to you
Quasiduplicate- no real apparent benefit to this over other cards that can more directly further your end goal.
Sylvan Awakening- I don't recommend turning your lands into creatures, especially enmass. It's just asking for all your lands to be mass removed. Very dangerous and will rarely get the payoff you need. Limited and will be a dead card in hand except in very specific scenarios.
Burgeoning- land Acceleration
Trade Routes- Bounce lands for more triggers and value, and in a pinch you can pitch them for more cards. Mana swamped becomes a thing of the past.
Exploration- Land acceleration
Domri, Anarch of Bolas- It seems like the main reason this is being run is for the +1 ability, which is really not worth running a card like this for. Not enough value.
Nissa, Steward of Elements- Without a large number of counters on her she gets minimal value, and if you do pay enough mana to make her viable there are already better cards you can run for those costs.
Eternal Witness- Unless you find your creatures or important cards dead often, or have a real way to take advantage of the cards in your graveyard, this is unnecessary and doesn't do enough for the deck.
Fertilid- A decent card but i've never found it gets enough value for the cost. it's a minimum of 5 mana for 1 basic land. You need to do this at least 3 or 4 times to really get enough value to be worth running over a land fetch.
Leafkin Druid- This is okay as a dork and an elemental, but I've found with tribal decks that you are better off running other creature and card types that better fuel your deck as a whole and really allow the tribe to shine, rather than forcing the tribe everywhere.
Tectonic Giant- Not good enough.
Animar, Soul of Elements- Unnecessary.
Zendikar Resurgent- Largely unnecessary due to the high number of lands in the deck, but can be kept if you feel it worthwhile
Frontier Bivouac- decent but comes in tapped and cannot be fetched. In a lands deck you will rarely be hurting for colors and the fact that this comes in tapped slows you down.
Simic Growth Chamber, Izzet Boilerworks, Gruul Turf- While I see what you are going for with these, they overall do slow you down and you have enough lands (once you bump up to 38 or so) that you shouldn't have any issue with them. I'd swamp these for basics as you have far more ways to grab those.
4 months ago
Hey there! Kinnan is a super broken and cool commander, and I might just have a few suggestions for you! You might want to try cards like Hinterland Harbor since you have a lot of basics, along with Flooded Grove, Waterlogged Grove, and possibly a Botanical Sanctum! If you have the budget, Ancient Tomb, Prismatic Vista, Reflecting Pool, and Strip Mine would work very well too as I've found in some of my decks. To add to the fun, while Umbral Mantle does indeed go infinite with some dorks, so do Sword of the Paruns and Staff of Domination, tripling the combos in that area! If you want to add to the elf theme, I feel like Elvish Archdruid should definitely be in here, as should Copperhorn Scout. If you attack with copperhorn (keep in mind it's also an elf!) then you untap all your other dorks and get to play A TON of more stuff, even if copperhorn dies it will still surely be worth it! One huge card you are missing is also Leyline of Abundance, acting almost as another Kinnan and getting you way more mana, as well as being a place you can pull infinite mana into for a quick win. Last but not least, I have a bunch of other ramp spells you may want to consider adding! Nyxbloom Ancient, Mana Reflection, (cards like Awakening, Seedborn Muse, and Wilderness Reclamation let you activate your dorks to use on Kinnan on sometimes EVERY PLAYERS TURN AGAIN, giving you multiple turns worth of value by the time its back to you turn again!) and a few more you can find under my decks!. Seems like a cool deck, good luck on it, hope this helps, and have a swell day! Happy tapping!
4 months ago
Very nice. Just before I start talking about cuts and edits, I want to say that your land count is WAY too low. I usually play 35-36 lands, with about 5-10 other mana producers. Only CEDH decks run such a low land count, because they need to play fast with cards like Mana Crypt and such. Add more lands to the deck.
I will start with talking about cuts, because there are a few cards that I feel shouldn't be in the deck.
Jace, Wielder of Mysteries is known for being a wincon in CEDH and strategies that want to mill themselves out. However, it's not right here. There is no real upside to adding it to the deck, so this is an obvious cut.
Thirst for Knowledge: I'm not sure why you put this one here. It doesn't work well due to you having such a low artifact count. Also, it's only a one time card draw, which isn't too good in commander. I guess Chemister's Insight goes in this section as well.
Finale of Revelation can be a good card, but it's mainly used as an infinite mana sink. I would not recommend this in a deck that doesn't go infinite and focuses on creatures.
Nyx Weaver is getting worse and worse. It has gotten to the point where it's nigh unplayable. Cut.
Clone, despite being the original clone, is considered to be one of the worst. I would definitely cut this one out.
I know Nascent Metamorph is a fun card, but people overestimate what this card can do. Don't play it in any non-chaos build.
Mirror Shield? Just don't run it.
Ok, so those are the 10 cards I would cut. Now, adding cards is a bit harder. In my suggestions for the forum for this deck, I suggested a reanimator theme, but it looked like you didn't take it, so I won't add too many cards from reanimator strategies. Also, it looks like you are working on a "budget", so I won't suggest anything over ~$20.
Just a quick note; When people are making these clone strategies, they often forget to put enough creatures to copy. This is a common deck building mistake, but something that will cost you games.
As Jimmy showed in the latest "Game Knights" episode, Solemn Simulacrum is crazy in clone decks, and seconds as ramp and card draw.
Finally, speaking about ramp, Rampant Growth is still one of the best ramp cards in the game.
Now, you may have noticed I only suggested 5 cards when I cut 10, and that's because you need to raise your land count. Below are some budget but good lands you should work with. Also, try not to work with too many tap lands, as they slow your game down.
Zagoth Triome: A bit pricy but it's fetchable or can be used to dig through your deck.
Finally, I will recommend my favorite cycle of lands, the pain lands. Llanowar Wastes, Yavimaya Coast, and their more expensive sibling Underground River enter untapped and add any of the two mana you need.
Just cut some basics to add these lands in. But don't cut too many basics! You need about 12 basics at minimum in a casual deck!
If you want to look any further into the clones strategy, take a look at EDHREC's page for clone strategies. (https://edhrec.com/themes/clones)
I like how you chose some interesting cards I have never seen before, and this deck looks fun to play. I hope these suggestions were of some help to you.
4 months ago
- +Academy Rector
- +Alseid of Life's Bounty
- +Eldrazi Displacer
- +Emeria's Call Flip
- +Felidar Retreat
- +Generous Gift
- +Giver of Runes
- +Leonin Arbiter
- +Mentor of the Meek
- +Mother of Runes
- +Order of the Sacred Torch
- +Sanctum Prelate
- +Skyclave Apparition
- +Unexpectedly Absent
- -Banisher Priest
- -Benevolent Bodyguard
- -False Dawn
- -Flawless Maneuver
- -Kataki, War's Wage
- -Not Forgotten
- -Oblivion Ring
- -Parallax Wave
- -Promise of Bunrei
- -Sublime Exhalation
- -Sun Titan
- -Suppression Field
- -Treasure Hunter
- +Sea Gate Restoration Flip
- +Teferi, Master of Time
- +Training Grounds
- -Fact or Fiction
- -Into the Roil
- -Time Spiral
- -Sleight of Hand
- -Reality Shift
- +Agadeem's Awakening Flip
- +Big Game Hunter
- +Body Snatcher
- +Cabal Therapist
- +Corpse Dance
- +Feed the Swarm
- +Opposition Agent
- -Doom Whisperer
- -Inquisition of Kozilek
- -Jet Medallion
- -Overeager Apprentice
- -Sickening Dreams
- -Sidisi, Undead Vizier
- -Skirge Familiar
- -Street Wraith
- +Avacyn's Judgment
- +Blasphemous Act
- +By Force
- +Desperate Ritual
- +Goblin Cratermaker
- +Goblin Matron
- +Goblin Recruiter
- +Jeska's Will
- +Lightning Bolt
- +Possibility Storm
- +Ricochet Trap
- +Shatterskull Smashing Flip
- +Sneak Attack
- +Sweltering Suns
- -Anje's Ravager
- -Balefire Dragon
- -Bogardan Hellkite
- -Comet Storm
- -Curse of Opulence
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- -Dragon Mage
- -Generator Servant
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- +Bag of Holding
- +Damping Sphere
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- +Lithoform Engine
- +Mirage Mirror
- +Prophetic Prism
- +Smuggler's Copter
- +Tormod's Crypt
- -Crucible of Worlds
- -Krark-Clan Ironworks
- -Memory Jar
- -Mystic Forge
- -Painter's Servant
- -Pithing Needle
- -Relic of Progenitus
- -Strionic Resonator
- -Voltaic Key
- +Ash Barrens
- +Branchloft Pathway Flip
- +Brightclimb Pathway Flip
- +Castle Locthwain
- +Clearwater Pathway Flip
- +Cragcrown Pathway Flip
- +Darkwater Catacombs
- +Geier Reach Sanitarium
- +High Market
- +Mishra's Factory
- +Mossfire Valley
- +Needleverge Pathway Flip
- +Riverglide Pathway Flip
- +Shadowblood Ridge
- +Shivan Gorge
- +Skycloud Expanse
- +Sungrass Prairie
- +Volrath's Stronghold
- -Canopy Vista
- -Cinder Glade
- -Clifftop Retreat
- -Dakmor Salvage
- -Dragonskull Summit
- -Drowned Catacomb
- -Glacial Fortress
- -Hall of Heliod's Generosity
- -Hashep Oasis
- -Hinterland Harbor
- -Isolated Chapel
- -Prairie Stream
- -Riptide Laboratory
- -Rootbound Crag
- -Smoldering Marsh
- -Sulfur Falls
- -Sunken Hollow
- -Waterlogged Grove
- -Woodland Cemetery
5 months ago
9-lives Great List! Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath is one of the most powerful cards in pioneer. It gains life passively and repeatedly and ramps you while doing it. It requires blue, so the mana is tricky but is powerful enough to be worth it. I would recommend the following changes to make this work.