Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
Each land is a Swamp in addition to its other land types.
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|Ultimate Masters (UMA)||Rare|
|Ultimate Masters Promo (UMAP)||Mythic Rare|
|Magic 2015 (M15)||Rare|
|From the Vault: Realms (V12)||Mythic Rare|
|Planar Chaos (PLC)||Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth Discussion
1 day ago
Ah... so we're back with the Swords :)
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The token copy is a bit tricky as it can either be incredibly powerful or rather weak depending on what creatures that player has available.
I like it and it seems controlled and fair. It'll be a bitch to fight against for token decks in multiplayer, as one hit to one of the neighbors (willing or unwilling) is likely going to clear your army.
The exile all graveyards is a tech option but one that is generally only applicable once, and then it's rather mediocre. Additionally both white and green has options to bring stuff back from the graveyard, so getting rid of their own seems a bit counter productive.
I feel this suggestion is definitely lackluster.
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Straight land destruction on a repeatable trigger is spelling trouble. If you restricted it to non-lands AND replaced it, it could possibly be balanced - ala Ghost Quarter.
In OG Magic, land destruction was seldom a 3 CMC mana spell with Molten Rain and delved more into a 4 CMC mana spell for the most time like Craterize. I don't think that should be the precedent to set for these triggers.
Returning a land card from graveyard to the hand is nifty but does kinda target a niche of players - those that can afford fetch lands. Most players don't have lands in their graveyard as a rule, except those that plays fetch lands and those that mills - either by their own hand or by an opponent's.
I do hope WotC prints more functional reprints of Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse that are slow fetch lands but affordable. However so far they have been playing coy with granting these cards at common / uncommon. And the Prismatic Vista which only fetches basic lands but does it untapped is just as expensive as the fetch lands - despite the latter's ability to grab Dual lands or Dual land-esque cards with subtypes.
I feel like this should be considered when designing these cards. How easy is it to get the benefit of these triggers? How niche is this effect?
And forcing a Cruel Edict on the defending player is quite powerful. In most colors it would make more sense to block the attacking creature, but in Dimir colors your creature is likely to have evasion - thus granting it flavorful more power to Dimir creatures.
I like it.
I can't really say I disapprove of it, but it does feel "safe". Not particularly interesting.
The fight ability would seem more flavorful on the Gruul sword (and it's also where I placed it when I made my attempt) but it is interesting when you can combine Selesnya's ability to make their creatures indestructible and fighting without losing. Fight also makes a keyword like deathtouch very interesting as a removal option for other colors.
Again it's not bad, it's just a bit safe.
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It is however a bit broken on turn 4 to get a token of Agent of Treachery after you just discarded it yourself.
Either a CMC restriction or just granting you the ability to cast a creature from a graveyard with "You may spend mana as though it were mana of any color to cast that spell." to fix the balance on that a little.
Or it exiles a single card from a graveyard, if a creature you create a token of it. That means it's a single use. You can still set it up, but it's not repeatable.
The ability to snatch a creature card from your entire library and Pod that right into play also seems really broken.
I don't think the drawbacks on this when it's good (5 to 12 cards discarded) outweighs or equals the benefits. However when it's bad (like 0 to 3 cards bad) you really don't want to attack.
That's a really awkward spot for a Sword to be in. And as you said yourself it is likely OP.
Interesting design though. Alas a bit too scalable.
If you want to make an attempt that could more realistically see print, I would suggest you look through the existing Swords and try to limit the abilities to something that is not that scalable and more constant. Instead of being variables that can scale, make it do this particular thing and nothing more, nothing less.
Keep in mind that the ability should be useful and beneficial for most colors. It's okay if it fits better into one color or color pair than others but all should have some benefit of it. Like Sword of Fire and Ice grants card draw, which White and partially Red hungers for, especially in Commander, and is usually seen as "better" in those colors because it covers a weakness that color / color pair has.
2 days ago
I like these decks. It's like an 8-rack without any "Racks".
My suggestions would be add some copies of Liliana, Waker of the Dead. It's discard, removal, damage and a win-con. Damnation is a good sideboard card against aggressive decks and tribal decks. Finally, Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth and Mutavault are great at ending games combined together.
+1 from me.
1 week ago
Add in some useful mana rocks to speed things up, that aren't too outrageously expensive:
Thought Vessel if you've got a few extra doll-hairs sitting around.
I'd also cut Tendrils of Corruption and Corrupt(no more synergy with the Tomb), Revenge of Ravens or Blood Reckoning(is one life really that much when you've got so many other of these effects?), Mindcrank(this card is so much more fun when Duskmantle Guildmage is around, and I don't know about you, but my playgroup loves to have good stuff in the grave, so they can CHEAT it out for cheap, so unless Mill is something you really want to strive for, it just seems clunky to me, especially when more ramp is needed). And maybe cut Ambition's Cost-?? It just seems really expensive, Mana-wise, for more drawback than usual.
Funky_bunch any more useful tips?
1 week ago
I would recommend against using Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth when most of your lands are swamps anyway. You might just end up helping your opponents out by fixing their mana for them, while you yourself aren't really getting any of the benefit of using it. Other than that, I'd just recommend running a few more mana rocks like Mind Stone and Fellwar Stone for ramping up quicker.
Fun deck. Hope this helps. :^)
1 week ago
My girlfriend just asked me to put Slivers back together. Anyways, as far as the land base goes I'm gunna list. Things out by cost/relevancy
duals I know eww reserved list but if you got em or can proxy em play em
fetches they're getting their reprint in modern horizons 2 but still stupid expensive - but the fixing is just so good!
Reflecting Pool, Cavern of Souls, City of Brass, Tarnished Citadel, Mana Confluence, Forbidden Orchard, Exotic Orchard, Meteor Crater, Pillar of the Paruns, Ancient Ziggurat, Path of Ancestry, Thran Quarry, Gemstone Mine, Aether Hub and Tendo Ice Bridge
I'm not a mega fan of the depletion lands but they're excellent if you're on a budget :)
shocks - you already got a few I'll recommend getting the rest
Utility lands very overpriced cardboard but the power is definitely there
From there, if those cards are out of budget/you cannot proxy I'd go with the Triomes, battlebond lands Sea of Clouds, check lands Hinterland Harbor, and lastly the painlands Battlefield Forge beyond those the lands start becoming too inefficient and you will be targeted playing slivers. Even if you're not the threat having a slow land base is a death sentence. Hope this helped :)
1 week ago
Great to read through your responses, and thank you for the kind wishes! I can see the really low opportunity cost of Valakut being a good reason for including it, that's a point I hadn't considered too heavily beforehand. Now I might just look to pick up a copy for my own list, haha!
One last question, do you have any experience or thoughts on Dread Presence being a worthwhile inclusion? It brings a nifty aspect of combining a Scapeshift piece along with minor lifegain and a card drawing ability, although I doubt it's a better draw option than what you currently have. Still, it has the virtue of having an additional enabler in Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth on top of Dryad. If you've played with it before, how did Dread Presence perform in practice?
1 week ago
Since you've got so many planeswalkers and you're going a proliferation route I think The Chain Veil might be a good fit for you.
2 weeks ago
I'd say all of the lands you listed except for Maze of Ith. Fetchlands and shocklands are the best thing you can do your for landbase outside of the original duals (which are hundreds each). In a 5-colour deck you're already limited on how many types of lands you can have, and Maze of Ith doesn't do much notable for a deck like this IMO. If you're going this deep into expensive lands and tutors, I highly recommend picking up a Mana Confluence, City of Brass, and Forbidden Orchard. Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth is an auto-include in any 2+ colour deck that features Black and can be tapped for Black itself. Ancient Tomb is amazing in decks with lots of colourless requirements like this. Prismatic Vista is very good too though less on the priority list for its price.
If you're going to be investing a lot into lands, make sure you make a faux list before buying anything since you don't want to get excess that you won't use. My personal general priority for 5-colour (ignoring OG duals) goes:
Assuming you take just what I listed there that puts you at 30 lands (minus basics). That gives you room for cards like Cavern of Souls, Reflecting Pool, Exotic Orchard, etc. Of course it totally comes down to how much you want to sink into your landbase, but it's a good place to start before tweaking things to your preference. You should keep at least one of each basic, or at least your main colours' basics for backup fetching. Battlelands like Sunken Hollow lose value the more you optimized your landbase due to lack of backs but are still good to take over say, bondlands. Since you already have them they'll do fine while also having the bonus of being tutored out by fetchlands.
Now that the wall of land-related text is over, time for the other cards you listed. Demonic Tutor is top tier, definitely get it if you have the money. Also look at Vampiric Tutor and Worldly Tutor. I personally like Dromoka, the Eternal, Kaalia of the Vast you already know how I recommend it, and Nesting Dragon is decent as a card but I don't think it'd work well here since you don't have a way to easily pop the eggs yourself. Future Sight is okay but I personally wouldn't run it in Ur-Dragon. Herald's Horn and Urza's Incubator I personally just take more mana rocks over but in your slower meta they could be decent picks. Mirari's Wake is amazing, and Nature's Lore you already know.
Since you're going this much into the deep end, once you get everything else set up first there's always the $$$$$ rocks like Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, Chrome Mox, and god forbid Mox Diamond waiting for you. Just, you know, they're worth entire decks alone so only go for them once you're fully satisfied on the rest of the deck lmfao