Clifftop Retreat

Land

This enters tapped unless you control a Mountain or a Plains.

{T}: Add {R} or {W}.

Legality

Format	Legality
1v1 Commander	Legal
Archenemy	Legal
Arena	Legal
Block Constructed	Legal
Canadian Highlander	Legal
Casual	Legal
Commander / EDH	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Custom	Legal
Duel Commander	Legal
Gladiator	Legal
Highlander	Legal
Historic	Legal
Historic Brawl	Legal
Legacy	Legal
Leviathan	Legal
Limited	Legal
Modern	Legal
Modern Beyond Horizons	Legal
Oathbreaker	Legal
Pioneer	Legal
Planar Constructed	Legal
Planechase	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal
Tiny Leaders	Legal
Vanguard	Legal
Vintage	Legal

Discussion (51)

Balaam__ on Boros Angel Lifegain

4 months ago

A lot of this will depend on the budget you’ve allotted the deck, but off the top of my head here are some simple fixes for your mana problems.

1) Replace stuff like Stone Quarry and Kabira Crossroads with Fetchlands or Shocklands. Since you’re in Legacy, true Duals like Plateau are the obvious suggestion, but they’re ludicrously expensive and out of reach for most. So things like Arid Mesa or Sacred Foundry are much more affordable and the next best thing. If that’s still out of reach, try fastlands or other less common mana producers like Inspiring Vantage or Clifftop Retreat. In other words, any land that says ‘Enters Tapped’ is slow as molasses and to be avoided.

•Another neat little trick is to run stuff like Flagstones of Trokair. A full set will let you thin your own deck with no drawback. You plop one down and have {W} ready to go, and each subsequent one you play after that will heave the previous one into the graveyard and replace it while also fetching a Plains from your deck for free.

Be sure to check for the cheapest version of each card as well, since prices can vary drastically.

Argy on Boros Puppies

5 months ago

Volrishan I really like the suggestion of Clifftop Retreat

The signets that cost {2} always give me pause for thought. I feel like they are a little slow, and this deck tries to go as fast as it can.

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Icbrgr thanks for explaining, and the +1.

StopShot on Two rules change suggestions to …

5 months ago

[My EDH Background]

I used to be an avid EDH player until my old playgroup dissolved. It was only until recently that I built an EDH deck after more than half a decade and felt lost after two recent commander nights. I had dropped off after Hour of Devestation only to find the present-day meta feels like a completely different format than the one I had enjoyed. Seeing the prEDH format caught my attention but given I had gotten into EDH around Fate Reforged, the prEDH card restrictions seemed to dial things too far back for me, and I feel like a lot of players who got into EDH around the same time period as myself might feel the same way. As such, this format may feel just as alien to a good portion of left out players today, but I'd like to discuss if maybe that aspect could be improved upon.

[The New Phyrexia cut-off should not be extended]

I'd like to make two suggestions to adjust the scope of this format. One suggestion I will not ask though, is that the set cutoff point be extended past New Phyrexia. I agree with the rationale for excluding all of MTG that took place during and after the first commander preconstructed products were released. This is in place to make the format 100% organic and extending the cut-off to any other set would be highly arbitrary and subject to much disagreement.

[Issue #1 - OG Duals and Patchy Manabases]

But there are some issues that should be addressed and remedied regarding this format. One being at the time of New Phyrexia's release the monetary cost of OG dual lands were significantly cheaper then than as they are now. Given the best manabases for prEDH would use OG Duals, Fetchlands, and Shocklands, not having easy access to one (or more) of them puts non-legacy players in the rough spot of relying on prEDH's limited and patchy color-fixing options which can leave new decks performing at a more clunky pace than they otherwise would be if built back in New Phyrexia. Now I'm not against players using proxies but I think a format does a lot better at attracting a wider audience if they're not inclined to feel like they have to proxy reserve list cards to fully enjoy the format as intended.

[Rules Change Suggestion to Address Issue #1]

I believe that if there is a land or mana-rock cycle that started before New Phyrexia, but was completed sometime after New Phyrexia, then all cards of that cycle should be made legal in prEDH just so that all color identities have equal access to their colors, because prEDH has a surprising number of incomplete mana cycles. This change would make the following cards and their colorshifted counterparts legal in prEDH despite being printed after New Phyrexia: (Clifftop Retreat), (Inspiring Vantage), (Needle Spires), (Nomad Outpost), (Snow-Covered Wastes), (Stone Quarry), (Sunbaked Canyon), (Sunscorched Divide), (Talisman of Conviction), (Wastes), and (Wind-Scarred Crag). This rule would also still apply to any new cards that would complete any of the cycles that have yet to be completed as well such as if Wizards were to ever complete the cycles for (Crosis's Catacombs), (Grove of the Burnwillows), (Nimbus Maze), (Wildfield Borderpost), etc.

[Issue #2 - Lack of Color Identity Options]

One aspect that made EDH novel is its color restriction on deck-building. From its inception, you would pick any of 5 Elder Dragons to be your Highlander and you would be barred from utilizing whatever 2 colors were not part of that dragon's identity. As the game grew into commander you could pick any legendary creature to be your commander instead and the color restriction carried over to your commander's color identity. The issue is prEDH's list of legal commanders provides a very limited line-up of commanders for any multicolored identity. Some color identities only have 1 commander legal for that color identity, and a vast majority of legal commanders are mono-colored which imposes a much heavier restriction than EDH had first set out to be with its 3-color dragons. This can lead to an over-saturation of players picking the same commander from the limited multicolor roster and more players picking up 5-color commanders, because their favorite color combination is restricted to just Numot, the Devastator, or Oros, the Avenger, or Vorosh, the Hunter. This isn't to say there won't be players playing mono-colored or everyone will be playing Reaper King because their favorite color-combination is underrepresented, but that prEDH restricts cards not just by set, but also much more heavily with color as well which can result in a poorer deck diversity than modern day EDH; (an issue that was not present when Commander was a much smaller and niche format). It's to this end I feel color restrictions could be opened up a bit to counteract the set restriction as a trade-off and that by doing so with the EDH philosophy in mind won't warp or distort the power level or vibe of prEDH.

[Rules Change Suggestion to Address Issue #2]

In order to open up the commander color restriction, prEDH decks would have a land in the command zone in addition to the commander with this land serving as the "Commander's Domain." The color identity or basic land type of the Commander's Domain would set the color restriction on what cards can be included in the deck including the commander instead of it being the commander's color identity that restricts card inclusion. The lands that can be chosen to be your Commander's Domain consist only of: any of the 10 trilands such as Seaside Citadel, any of the 10 match-lands such as Glacial Fortress, or any basic land such as Plains or Wastes. The Commander's Domain would not be subject to the command tax and can be played as your land for turn by either exiling a basic land card from your hand or by exiling a basic land you own on the battlefield. One exception to this rule will be made for all 5-color legendary commanders. 5-color legendary creatures may be used as your commander regardless of your Commander's Domain and if your commander is 5-color you may run any basic land in your deck regardless of your Commander's Domain. Your Commander's Domain will still restrict what spells and non-basic lands you can include in your deck, however. This proposal seeks to expand deck diversity and creativity while still abiding to the original EDH tenant of limiting what colors may be included in your deck as well as provide an additional means of color fixing due to the greater lack of lands that are both decent and affordable in this format.

[Concluding Thoughts - The goal is not to make prEDH more like modern EDH]

The sake of these proposals isn't to make something new and flashy for the sake of making something new and flashy, but to make prEDH feel more like everyone's first EDH experience including for those who got into the format well after New Phyrexia but well before the current meta. That is not to say "make prEDH more like EDH" as that is the furthest thing from this thread's intention. This is more of a belief that a lot more can be gained while sacrificing very little and that much could benefit current prEDH players who would like to see more people play their format. It's possible my proposals may have missed this mark, but I would like to start a discussion on whether there are current shortcomings in this format and if it would be worth it to make changes to mitigate them or not to better the health and/or standing of this format.

Volrishan on Boros Puppies

5 months ago

Some budget friendly land options could be Sacred Peaks and Clifftop Retreat. If you are willing to spend a little more money there is also Sundown Pass that could work well.

Crow_Umbra on Allies Bring the Energy

9 months ago

As a new player, I loved the flavor of an adventuring party helping each other out. Lol nice! That's definitely the type of combos my play group used run back them. Ooo nice, best of luck figuring out the swap for Warleader's Call.

I saw your comment on the main feed regarding your mana base. I think generally speaking, your color fixing is good, especially since quite a few of your spells have a heavy single-color investment, or are multi-colored. Speed on mana is great once you can get it, but I think color fixing is the next best thing to focus on.

If you wanted to focus on manabase upgrades first, you're spot on with swapping out some tapped lands, and swapping with options like Clifftop Retreat or Spectator Seating, depending on your budget. A couple more two mana rocks like Talisman of Conviction or Izzet Signet could help too.

I like what you've got going on with your utility lands and the Proliferation tech.

DemonDragonJ on Innistrad Remastered Speculation and Wishlist

10 months ago

I was very impressed with both Dominaria Remastered and Ravnica Remastered, and WotC has announced that there shall be an Innistrad Remastered, as well, so I now wish to begin speculation about that set.

First, there are seven sets from which cards in Innistrad Remastered can be reprinted: Innistrad, Dark Ascension, Avacyn Restored, Shadows Over Innistrad, Eldritch Moon, Innistrad: Midnight Hunt, and Innistrad: Crimson Vow, which should allow for plenty of excellent cards to be included in the set.

I very much would like to see both the "check lands" (Clifftop Retreat, Hinterland Harbor, Isolated Chapel, Sulfur Falls, and Woodland Cemetery) as well as the utility lands (Grim Backwoods, Kessig Wolf Run, Vault of the Archangel, and so forth) that were printed initially in various sets on Innistrad reprinted in this set, as well as some of the better-known and more powerful angels, demons, vampires, werewolves, and zombies from the various sets, including the original versions of all four of the legendary angels (Bruna, Gisela, Sigarda, and Lisa).

This set is still many months away, being released early in 2025, so it may be too early to speculate, just yet, but I still wish to begin a discussion of it, so what are everyone else's wishes for this set? What cards would you like to see be reprinted in Innistrad Remastered?

Master_J on Laser Beams

11 months ago

OUT: Sungrass Prairie, Mossfire Valley, 2x Forest, 2x Plains

IN: Temple Garden, Sunpetal Grove, Stomping Ground, Rootbound Crag, Sacred Foundry, Clifftop Retreat

Taking out some of the sub-par lands for more variety and generally better lands overall. Even though there's very little red in this deck, a few of those red cards have double pips in their cost, so trying to bring up my red base a little.

Monomanamaniac on Here we go A-Ghen (Arcanum Weaver)

1 year ago

So I'm not absolutely sure what you were looking for, or what your budget is, so I just grabbed as many decently affordable cards that I could find and brought them for you to check out. I mostly picked out things that might help you close the game with life loss or give you value from in looping. It's too bad Thousand-Year Elixir isn't more affordable Agent of Erebos Ajani's Chosen Archon of Sun's Grace Ashiok's Reaper Boros Garrison Carmen, Cruel Skymarcher Caves of Koilos Cemetery Tampering Clifftop Retreat Curse of Opulence Darksteel Mutation Debtors' Knell Doomwake Giant Dragonskull Summit Exotic Orchard Fellwar Stone Grim Guardian Hopeless Nightmare Isolated Chapel Mesa Enchantress Myriad Landscape Open the Vaults Orzhov Basilica Rakdos Carnarium Resurgent Belief Ruinous Ultimatum Smoldering Marsh Spirited Companion Starfield Mystic Talisman of Conviction Talisman of Hierarchy Talisman of Indulgence Underworld Coinsmith Wicked Visitor