Spire Garden

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Spire Garden enters the battlefield tapped unless you have two or more opponents.

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Ehsteve on Lord Windgrace Sits Behind A Chasm

1 week ago

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I would say that this is an easy replacement for Spire Garden. If only they had brought this out before Zendikar Rising so it could have potentially been an expedition. The mix of green/black is a lot more prevalent in this deck, with red being incidental. Only issue I see is that this would reduce the overall red splash in this deck down to about 5 sources, 2 of them tapped (Gruul Turf & Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle), 3 of them fetchable. That said, all red costs in this deck are just single pips so it shouldn't hurt too much so long as the fetchable land count doesn't drop further.

There is a constant battle between these kinds of effects: Arch of Orazca, Castle Locthwain and now War Room. Which is better? Honestly they all end up costing a lot. Arch has that high mana cost, Castle has the downside of being very painful when you're digging for the right thing with a full hand and War Room would cost you 3 every time you used it and taps for colourless. So the question is which one is best? Depends, every time I look over this I come to the same conclusion: generally it isn't really worth it. The deck has a limited resource in its life total that needs to be put towards Glacial Chasm among other things, so Castle and War Room just feel rather taxing, and Arch and War Room are colourless, so they hurt colour fixing. All in all I would consider maybe giving this a pass because having to tap 4 lands and pay 3 life to draw a card just isn't worth it.

Interesting, but this card just draws too much attention. It would take you many turns to burn down an opponent even doing 7 damage a turn, giving them plenty of time to find an answer. Using this on a creature of planeswalker isn't particularly exciting either due to the timing, you can't really using any tricks to maximise the effect.

With Glacial Chasm you can very much abuse this card's effect. It deals damage, Glacial Chasm prevents damage. The choice is made as the card resolves so if your opponents try any shenanigans you can change your choice to something safer. You have every opportunity to utilise this to its full effect. Mind games are also fun so you might try to lowball it at say 5-10 life to see if anyone is betting that you'll choose some ridiculously high number to guarantee you'll get to wheel.

Giving your opponents choice isn't the best. Skip.

No real interaction with landfall but this is a very powerful card for black. I would recommend this just based upon power level alone to annoy opponents, but do so at your own peril, because you will draw a lot of hate from it.

Now this is an interesting choice here. Bringing back cards from the graveyard is what this deck likes to do, sometimes more than once a turn, so you can get a lot of potential value from this card. However the issue becomes that it is on a creature body. It's interesting, not amazing.

Forgot this one when I was doing green. Interesting effect, but the issue remains that you usually won't be attacking to win, and at 8 mana, he is not cheap to cast at all. I would only recommend this in a Rude Awakening style deck.

bdobinski on Brad's Commander Cube (v2): Non Basic Mana List

3 weeks ago

Update 12/28/2020

Bountiful Promenade replacing Blossoming Sands
Luxury Suite replacing Bloodfell Caves
Morphic Pool replacing Dismal Backwater
Rejuvenating Springs replacing Thornwood Falls
Sea of Clouds replacing Tranquil Cove
Spectator Seating replacing Wind-Scarred Crag
Spire Garden replacing Rugged Highlands
Training Center replacing Swiftwater Cliffs
Undergrowth Stadium replacing Jungle Hollow
Vault of Champions replacing Scoured Barrens

bdobinski on Brad's Commander Cube (v2): Full List

3 weeks ago

Update 12/28/2020

Animar, Soul of Elements replacing Yasova Dragonclaw
Geist of Saint Traft replacing Daxos of Meletis
Halana, Kessig Ranger replacing Goreclaw, Terror of Qal Sisma
Bala Ged Recovery  ^Flip replacing Regrowth
Kazuul's Fury  ^Flip replacing Fling
Keeper of the Accord replacing Glorious Anthem
Bountiful Promenade replacing Blossoming Sands
Luxury Suite replacing Bloodfell Caves
Morphic Pool replacing Dismal Backwater
Rejuvenating Springs replacing Thornwood Falls
Sea of Clouds replacing Tranquil Cove
Spectator Seating replacing Wind-Scarred Crag
Spire Garden replacing Rugged Highlands
Training Center replacing Swiftwater Cliffs
Undergrowth Stadium replacing Jungle Hollow
Vault of Champions replacing Scoured Barrens

BonesawMcGraw13 on Illuna

2 months ago

11/18/2020

Replaced Genesis Ultimatum with Pir, Imaginative Rascal and a forest with Toothy, Imaginary Friend.

Replaced Ketria Crystal with Ilysian Caryatid

Replaced Gruul Signet with Incubation Druid

Swapped Gruul Guildgate for Spire Garden

swapped Simic Guildgate for Temple of Mystery

Fallerup on Big Bird Aggro/Combo Toolbox

3 months ago

I would add these: Spire Garden, Bountiful Promenade, Sea of Clouds and take out 3 of these: Irrigated Farmland, Scattered Groves, Sheltered Thicket, Krosan Verge. they are faster and better lands. they are only bad late game when 2 of your opponents are dead, but by that time, any land is bad, so, yeah, add them. Later this year, when Commander legends comes out, you can add Rejuvenating Springs and Spectator Seating and take out the last of these "come in tapped" lands (the one you decide to keep) and a basic forest. it will make your deck faster. other than this, the addition that "Commander Replay" suggested is very good. he suggested: Blasphemous Act, which is always useful, as well as Volcanic Offering. these are his suggestions and the cards he cut for them were Counterspell and Thirst for Knowledge. So these are the changes I would make. I love the deck by the way, and with these changes, I think it would be even better. So for now, add Rejuvenating Springs and Spectator Seating to the maybe board and add them later when the set comes out.

Feiryn on Here there be DRAGONS!

3 months ago

I'd say all of the lands you listed except for Maze of Ith. Fetchlands and shocklands are the best thing you can do your for landbase outside of the original duals (which are hundreds each). In a 5-colour deck you're already limited on how many types of lands you can have, and Maze of Ith doesn't do much notable for a deck like this IMO. If you're going this deep into expensive lands and tutors, I highly recommend picking up a Mana Confluence, City of Brass, and Forbidden Orchard. Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth is an auto-include in any 2+ colour deck that features Black and can be tapped for Black itself. Ancient Tomb is amazing in decks with lots of colourless requirements like this. Prismatic Vista is very good too though less on the priority list for its price.

If you're going to be investing a lot into lands, make sure you make a faux list before buying anything since you don't want to get excess that you won't use. My personal general priority for 5-colour (ignoring OG duals) goes:

Rainbow (Command Tower/City of Brass/Mana Confluence/Forbidden Orchard), fetchlands (Arid Mesa/Prismatic Vista), shocklands (Hallowed Fountain), bondlands (Spire Garden), basics.

Assuming you take just what I listed there that puts you at 30 lands (minus basics). That gives you room for cards like Cavern of Souls, Reflecting Pool, Exotic Orchard, etc. Of course it totally comes down to how much you want to sink into your landbase, but it's a good place to start before tweaking things to your preference. You should keep at least one of each basic, or at least your main colours' basics for backup fetching. Battlelands like Sunken Hollow lose value the more you optimized your landbase due to lack of backs but are still good to take over say, bondlands. Since you already have them they'll do fine while also having the bonus of being tutored out by fetchlands.

Now that the wall of land-related text is over, time for the other cards you listed. Demonic Tutor is top tier, definitely get it if you have the money. Also look at Vampiric Tutor and Worldly Tutor. I personally like Dromoka, the Eternal, Kaalia of the Vast you already know how I recommend it, and Nesting Dragon is decent as a card but I don't think it'd work well here since you don't have a way to easily pop the eggs yourself. Future Sight is okay but I personally wouldn't run it in Ur-Dragon. Herald's Horn and Urza's Incubator I personally just take more mana rocks over but in your slower meta they could be decent picks. Mirari's Wake is amazing, and Nature's Lore you already know.

Since you're going this much into the deep end, once you get everything else set up first there's always the $$$$$ rocks like Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, Chrome Mox, and god forbid Mox Diamond waiting for you. Just, you know, they're worth entire decks alone so only go for them once you're fully satisfied on the rest of the deck lmfao

As for Force of Vigor I'd personally just cut Kilnmouth Dragon for it. Kilnmouth costs way too much mana for its effect when it'll generally have no counters, or at most 1-2 batches on it.

SynergyBuild on I don't have the fancy …

4 months ago

Rather than checklands and OG Duals, with Woodland Cemetery, Taiga, Rootbound Crag, Dragonskull Summit, Bayou, and Badlands, you can use the following package:

1x Nurturing Peatland

1x Karplusan Forest

1x Llanowar Wastes

1x Sulfurous Springs

1x Luxury Suite

1x Spire Garden

DemMeowsephs on Prossh Food Chain

4 months ago

G'day mate! I might have some suggestions that could help you out, so let's start off looking at your mana base. You run a LOTTTT of lands that come in tapped. In my opinion- you should ditch them all. So what could you add-in? Some of these are kind of pricy, but as you build this deck more definitely consider some of these land options.

• Blood Crypt
• Bloodstained Mire (Budget: Rocky Tar Pit) (This can search for a card like Blood Crypt AND basics)
• Blackcleave Cliffs
• Sulfurous Springs
• Graven Cairns
• Luxury Suite (Maybe)
• Dragonskull Summit(Maybe)
• Foreboding Ruins (Maybe)
• Smoldering Marsh (Maybe)

• Overgrown Tomb
• Verdant Catacombs
• Blooming Marsh
• Llanowar Wastes or Nurturing Peatland
• Twilight Mire
• Woodland Cemetery (Maybe)
• Undergrowth Stadium

• Stomping Ground
• Wooded Foothills (Budget: Mountain Valley)
• Copperline Gorge
• Karplusan Forest
• Fire-Lit Thicket
• Rootbound Crag (Maybe)
• Spire Garden (Maybe)
• Game Trail (Maybe)

• Cinder Glade (Maybe)

• The first five for each color (The Shock Lands, Dual Fetch Lands, Fast Lands, Pain Lands, and Filter lands are the best, and I recommend putting in those five of each color. The others are more budget options you may want to include for the moment before you can get your hands on more expensive options. There are also some multicolor lands that are VERY helpful, such as some of the following.

• Ancient Tomb

• Prismatic Vista
• Fabled Passage
• City of Brass
• Mana Confluence
• Reflecting Pool
• Exotic Orchard
• Strip Mine/Wasteland
• Command Tower
• Forbidden Orchard
• Gemstone Mine
• Gemstone Caverns

There are also some VERY good ramp options in your colors! Ramp is very important, and I would consider all of these

• Oracle of Mul Daya
• Birds of Paradise
• Sylvan Caryatid
• Burgeoning
• Bloom Tender
• Selvala, Heart of the Wilds
• Dark Ritual
• Nature's Lore
• Farseek and Sakura-Tribe Elder
• Emerald Medallion, Jet Medallion, and Ruby Medallion

Now I know that's a lot, and a lot in money, but I promise you its a big step in helping your deck perform a lot better. Once you have a good mana base, things will come a lot easier. If you ever need to find cards to put in Proshh, I recommend checking out EDHREC, which gives you many helpful suggestions for every commander. (Click here to go to your commander on edhrec. If this helps, be sure to check out and like some of my decks, (Double Trouble EDH, A Deal With the Devil EDH, and many more! Anyways though, good luck on your deck, hope this helps, and have a great day!!! Happy tapping!