Spire Garden

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Spire Garden enters the battlefield tapped unless you have two or more opponents.

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Discussion (46)

Fallerup on Big Bird Aggro/Combo Toolbox

1 week ago

I would add these: Spire Garden, Bountiful Promenade, Sea of Clouds and take out 3 of these: Irrigated Farmland, Scattered Groves, Sheltered Thicket, Krosan Verge. they are faster and better lands. they are only bad late game when 2 of your opponents are dead, but by that time, any land is bad, so, yeah, add them. Later this year, when Commander legends comes out, you can add Rejuvenating Springs and Spectator Seating and take out the last of these "come in tapped" lands (the one you decide to keep) and a basic forest. it will make your deck faster. other than this, the addition that "Commander Replay" suggested is very good. he suggested: Blasphemous Act, which is always useful, as well as Volcanic Offering. these are his suggestions and the cards he cut for them were Counterspell and Thirst for Knowledge. So these are the changes I would make. I love the deck by the way, and with these changes, I think it would be even better. So for now, add Rejuvenating Springs and Spectator Seating to the maybe board and add them later when the set comes out.

Feiryn on Here there be DRAGONS!

2 weeks ago

I'd say all of the lands you listed except for Maze of Ith. Fetchlands and shocklands are the best thing you can do your for landbase outside of the original duals (which are hundreds each). In a 5-colour deck you're already limited on how many types of lands you can have, and Maze of Ith doesn't do much notable for a deck like this IMO. If you're going this deep into expensive lands and tutors, I highly recommend picking up a Mana Confluence, City of Brass, and Forbidden Orchard. Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth is an auto-include in any 2+ colour deck that features Black and can be tapped for Black itself. Ancient Tomb is amazing in decks with lots of colourless requirements like this. Prismatic Vista is very good too though less on the priority list for its price.

If you're going to be investing a lot into lands, make sure you make a faux list before buying anything since you don't want to get excess that you won't use. My personal general priority for 5-colour (ignoring OG duals) goes:

Rainbow (Command Tower/City of Brass/Mana Confluence/Forbidden Orchard), fetchlands (Arid Mesa/Prismatic Vista), shocklands (Hallowed Fountain), bondlands (Spire Garden), basics.

Assuming you take just what I listed there that puts you at 30 lands (minus basics). That gives you room for cards like Cavern of Souls, Reflecting Pool, Exotic Orchard, etc. Of course it totally comes down to how much you want to sink into your landbase, but it's a good place to start before tweaking things to your preference. You should keep at least one of each basic, or at least your main colours' basics for backup fetching. Battlelands like Sunken Hollow lose value the more you optimized your landbase due to lack of backs but are still good to take over say, bondlands. Since you already have them they'll do fine while also having the bonus of being tutored out by fetchlands.

Now that the wall of land-related text is over, time for the other cards you listed. Demonic Tutor is top tier, definitely get it if you have the money. Also look at Vampiric Tutor and Worldly Tutor. I personally like Dromoka, the Eternal, Kaalia of the Vast you already know how I recommend it, and Nesting Dragon is decent as a card but I don't think it'd work well here since you don't have a way to easily pop the eggs yourself. Future Sight is okay but I personally wouldn't run it in Ur-Dragon. Herald's Horn and Urza's Incubator I personally just take more mana rocks over but in your slower meta they could be decent picks. Mirari's Wake is amazing, and Nature's Lore you already know.

Since you're going this much into the deep end, once you get everything else set up first there's always the $$$$$ rocks like Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, Chrome Mox, and god forbid Mox Diamond waiting for you. Just, you know, they're worth entire decks alone so only go for them once you're fully satisfied on the rest of the deck lmfao

As for Force of Vigor I'd personally just cut Kilnmouth Dragon for it. Kilnmouth costs way too much mana for its effect when it'll generally have no counters, or at most 1-2 batches on it.

SynergyBuild on I don't have the fancy …

1 month ago

Rather than checklands and OG Duals, with Woodland Cemetery, Taiga, Rootbound Crag, Dragonskull Summit, Bayou, and Badlands, you can use the following package:

1x Nurturing Peatland

1x Karplusan Forest

1x Llanowar Wastes

1x Sulfurous Springs

1x Luxury Suite

1x Spire Garden

DemMeowsephs on Prossh Food Chain

1 month ago

G'day mate! I might have some suggestions that could help you out, so let's start off looking at your mana base. You run a LOTTTT of lands that come in tapped. In my opinion- you should ditch them all. So what could you add-in? Some of these are kind of pricy, but as you build this deck more definitely consider some of these land options.

• Blood Crypt
• Bloodstained Mire (Budget: Rocky Tar Pit) (This can search for a card like Blood Crypt AND basics)
• Blackcleave Cliffs
• Sulfurous Springs
• Graven Cairns
• Luxury Suite (Maybe)
• Dragonskull Summit(Maybe)
• Foreboding Ruins (Maybe)
• Smoldering Marsh (Maybe)

• Overgrown Tomb
• Verdant Catacombs
• Blooming Marsh
• Llanowar Wastes or Nurturing Peatland
• Twilight Mire
• Woodland Cemetery (Maybe)
• Undergrowth Stadium

• Stomping Ground
• Wooded Foothills (Budget: Mountain Valley)
• Copperline Gorge
• Karplusan Forest
• Fire-Lit Thicket
• Rootbound Crag (Maybe)
• Spire Garden (Maybe)
• Game Trail (Maybe)

• Cinder Glade (Maybe)

• The first five for each color (The Shock Lands, Dual Fetch Lands, Fast Lands, Pain Lands, and Filter lands are the best, and I recommend putting in those five of each color. The others are more budget options you may want to include for the moment before you can get your hands on more expensive options. There are also some multicolor lands that are VERY helpful, such as some of the following.

• Ancient Tomb

• Prismatic Vista
• Fabled Passage
• City of Brass
• Mana Confluence
• Reflecting Pool
• Exotic Orchard
• Strip Mine/Wasteland
• Command Tower
• Forbidden Orchard
• Gemstone Mine
• Gemstone Caverns

There are also some VERY good ramp options in your colors! Ramp is very important, and I would consider all of these

• Oracle of Mul Daya
• Birds of Paradise
• Sylvan Caryatid
• Burgeoning
• Bloom Tender
• Selvala, Heart of the Wilds
• Dark Ritual
• Nature's Lore
• Farseek and Sakura-Tribe Elder
• Emerald Medallion, Jet Medallion, and Ruby Medallion

Now I know that's a lot, and a lot in money, but I promise you its a big step in helping your deck perform a lot better. Once you have a good mana base, things will come a lot easier. If you ever need to find cards to put in Proshh, I recommend checking out EDHREC, which gives you many helpful suggestions for every commander. (Click here to go to your commander on edhrec. If this helps, be sure to check out and like some of my decks, (Double Trouble EDH, A Deal With the Devil EDH, and many more! Anyways though, good luck on your deck, hope this helps, and have a great day!!! Happy tapping!

DemMeowsephs on Sultai_Sir

2 months ago

Hey there! No problem, and you have definitely come to the right place! Here are some types of lands that I personally think should have a spot in every deck, and some multi-colored lands that work anywhere and everywhere! I hope this helps you throughout your journey in the world of magic.

• Types of Lands:

• Shock Lands

• These lands say when [cardname] enters the battlefield you either take two, or have it enter tapped, which I am sure you are familiar with.

• Watery Grave, Blood Crypt, Temple Garden, Breeding Pool, Hallowed Fountain, Stomping Ground, Sacred Foundry, Overgrown Tomb, Steam Vents and Godless Shrine

• Check Lands

• These are lands that say, [cardname] enters the battlefield tapped unless you control a [land type] or [land type]. These aren't always that good in my opinion, but if you need a cheaper option they are MUCH better than guildgates, etc.

• Glacial Fortress, Drowned Catacomb, Woodland Cemetery, Dragonskull Summit, Isolated Chapel, Rootbound Crag, Sunpetal Grove, Hinterland Harbor, Sulfur Falls, and Clifftop Retreat

• Filter Lands

• Similar to the signets, these lands can be extremely useful when you have one color, and need the other. They are also a lot cheaper as they just got reprinted in Double Masters

• Wooded Bastion, Sunken Ruins, Mystic Gate, Flooded Grove, Rugged Prairie, Graven Cairns, Fire-Lit Thicket, Fetid Heath, Twilight Mire, Cascade Bluffs

• Fast Lands

• Some of my personal favorites, these lands can be untapped unless you have 4+ lands, and are very helpful at the start of the game

• Seachrome Coast, Razorverge Thicket, Botanical Sanctum, Copperline Gorge, Blackcleave Cliffs, Darkslick Shores, Blooming Marsh, Concealed Courtyard, Spirebluff Canal, Inspiring Vantage

• Pain Lands

• These are by far some of the best, as you always know you can get mana from them, without worrying they might be tapped, or untapped, or something like that.

• Adarkar Wastes, Underground River, Sulfurous Springs, Karplusan Forest, Brushland, Caves of Koilos, Llanowar Wastes, Yavimaya Coast, Shivan Reef, Battlefield Forge

• Horizon Lands

• The better version of pain lands- but they are not printed in every color combination. However when you can, cut your pain lands for these!

• Horizon Canopy, Silent Clearing, Nurturing Peatland, Waterlogged Grove, Fiery Islet, Sunbaked Canyon

• Fetch Lands

• There are also the beloved fetch lands, which can even search for shock lands, proving to be very useful in many situations!

• Flooded Strand, Bloodstained Mire, Windswept Heath, Wooded Foothills, Polluted Delta, Misty Rainforest, Marsh Flats, Verdant Catacombs, Arid Mesa, Scalding Tarn

• Battlebond Lands

• These are EXTREMELY useful if you have multiple opponents, as they come at no extra cost. However like the Horizon lands, they are not available in every color.
• Sea of Clouds, Morphic Pool, Luxury Suite, Spire Garden, Bountiful Promenade

These dual lands are some of the best, and my favorites, though there are many more people enjoy playing, such as bounce ladnds (Dimir Aqueduct), Battle Lands (Sunken Hollow), Reveal Lands, (Port Town), Cycle Lands (Irrigated Farmland), Storage Lands (Calciform Pools) and many others, but usually you don't have this many spaces in your deck, and so the ones I named first are usually better. However, I'm not done! There are many multicolor lands that fit in any deck, that are extremely powerful! Some of them are listed below.

• City of Brass
• Mana Confluence
• Prismatic Vista
• Fabled Passage
• Ancient Tomb
• Exotic Orchard
• Command Tower
• Forbidden Orchard
• Gemstone Mine
• Gemstone Caverns
• Command Tower
• Maze of Ith
• Strip Mine
• Wasteland
• Tarnished Citadel

• Meteor Crater

• Etc. There are many more like this but as before, the ones above are definitely the best, and most of them deserve a spot in every deck! Some specific deck themes have their own versions of these lands, like for Artifact decks you might play Glimmervoid and for Creature decks you might play Ancient Ziggurat. Usually, when I deckbuild i go to EDHREC, which has amazing suggestions and synergies for EVERY commander, and even for specific archetypes and colors- lands among them! For these speciifc themes you can find the lands you need there (along with many other cards too) but everything I named above I recommend playing in the meantime! I hope this helps you in your future decks, thanks for reaching out, good luck, and have a great day!

RubenWaters on Neyith of the Dire Hunt EDH: Beastmaster

3 months ago

multimedia oh boy I am playing the same deck and I have some suggestions on what to cut and suggestions on what to put in as well

Cut/ Add

Arlinn Kord  ^Flip = Domri, Anarch of Bolas

Vivien, Champion of the Wilds = Aggravated Assault

Atarka, World Render = Savage Ventmaw

Ulvenwald Tracker = Brash Taunter

Regrowth = Noxious Revival

Champion of Lambholt = Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker

Grand Warlord Radha = Dockside Extortionist

Gruul Beastmaster = Manglehorn

Huntmaster of the Fells  ^Flip = Zealous Conscripts

Nikya of the Old Ways = Apex Altisaur

Pathbreaker Ibex = Craterhoof Behemoth

Quartzwood Crasher = Polyraptor

End-Raze Forerunners = Prowling Serpopard

Rubblebelt Raiders = Ilharg, the Raze-Boar

Somberwald Sage = Birds of Paradise

Surrak, the Hunt Caller = Woodfall Primus

Gruul Guildgate = Winding Canyons

Temple of Abandon = Emergence Zone

Concordant Crossroads = Sneak Attack

Gruul War Chant = Invasion Plans

Gruul Signet = Wild Growth

Lightning Greaves = Shadowspear

Sol Ring = Utopia Sprawl

Savage Punch = Green Sun's Zenith

Shamanic Revelation = Momentous Fall

Soul's Majesty = Return of the Wildspeaker

Cultivate = Harrow

Decimate = Chaos Warp

Domri's Ambush = Ancient Animus

Hunter's Prowess = Gamble

Kodama's Reach = Crop Rotation

Shared Summons = Tooth and Nail

Temur Battle Rage = Titanic Brawl

Berserk = Pounce

Hunter's Insight = Pit Fight

Growing Rites of Itlimoc  ^Flip = Carpet of Flowers

Game Trail = Mountain

Mossfire Valley = Arid Mesa

Mosswort Bridge = Gaea's Cradle

Sheltered Thicket = Fabled Passage

Fire-Lit Thicket = Taiga

Spire Garden = Prismatic Vista

Eldritch Evolution = Heroic Intervention

Forest = Dryad Arbor

Aggressive Mammoth = Ohran Frostfang

Etali, Primal Storm = Inferno Titan

Fierce Empath = Krosan Grip

BUT these are just a suggestion

multimedia on Zacama, Primal Calamity Ramp

3 months ago

Hey, you're welcome.

When looking at the color requirements of the cards in your deck green is overall most important therefore Forests should be the most basic lands in the manabase. A basic Forest will do a lot more for you than a basic Mountain or Plains. Can cast land ramp spells with green and they get you the other colors especially Farseek, Lore and Skyshroud if you add some dual lands that are two different land types.

My advice is rely more on dual lands for white and red than basic lands. Lantern and Dryad help a lot for color fixing, but don't want to count on having one of them every game therefore make the manabase function without them and have them as a bonus. Grand Abolisher sticks out in white. Other than him white is the least important color here and green has many sources that can help to get you white mana.

The ratio of basic lands to use really depends on what kind of manabase you want to make. You want most lands in the manabase to be able to make green mana and on a budget this means lots of Forests. A budget manabase of Check lands, Battle lands, Pain lands, Bounce lands will have more basic lands. Compare this to a more expensive manabase of more Rainbow lands, Fetch lands, Shock lands, Battlebond lands, Pain lands, Bounce lands will have less basic lands. The expensive manabase would replace some basic lands with more lands that can make more than one color.

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Budget 36 land manabase example (27 green sources, 17 red, 17 white):

• 10x Forest
• 4x Mountain
• 4x Plains
• Command Tower
• Exotic Orchard
• Jungle Shrine
• Ash Barrens
• Evolving Wilds
• Naya Panorama
• Canopy Vista
• Cinder Glade
• Brushland
• Karplusan Forest
• Battlefield Forge
• Sheltered Thicket
• Scattered Groves
• Rootbound Crag
• Sunpetal Grove
• Boros Garrison
• Gruul Turf
• Selesnya Sanctuary
• Mosswort Bridge
• Sanctum of Eternity

More expensive 36 land manabase example with less basic lands:

• 8x Forest
• 2x Mountain
• 2x Plains
• Command Tower
• Exotic Orchard
• Jungle Shrine
• City of Brass
• Forbidden Orchard
• Windswept Heath
• Wooded Foothills
• Temple Garden
• Stomping Ground
• Sacred Foundry
• Bountiful Promenade
• Spire Garden
• Brushland
• Karplusan Forest
• Rugged Prairie
• Canopy Vista
• Cinder Glade
• Boros Garrison
• Gruul Turf
• Selesnya Sanctuary
• Naya Panorama
• Mosswort Bridge
• Sanctum of Eternity

DemMeowsephs on

5 months ago

Sweet deck! Maybe consider cutting some of the slower lands for some of the following

• Temple of Mystery
• Game Trail
• Copperline Gorge
• Wooded Foothills
• Fire-Lit Thicket
• Grove of the Burnwillows
• Spire Garden
• Taiga
• City of Brass
• Mana Confluence
• Prismatic Vista
• Exotic Orchard
• Reflecting Pool
• Strip Mine
• Wasteland
• Forbidden Orchard
• Gemstone Mine
• Fabled Passage

• Ancient Tomb

• I can guarantee that your deck will perform SOOOO much better with these in the deck, rather than just using slower, tap lands. If you have any further questions about lands and mana base feel free to ask them on my wall, I'd love to help! And if this does help be sure to check out (and upvote if you like) some of my decks, I spent a lot of time on them! Anyways, I do hope this helps, good luck on your deck, and have a great day!