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Spire Garden enters the battlefield tapped unless you have two or more opponents.
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Spire Garden Discussion
6 days ago
1 month ago
- Hissing Quagmire : Enters tapped, I've never used the creature ability, and I can't search it by land name. Big sad.
- Lavaclaw Reaches : (See above)
- Raging Ravine : (See above)
- Treetop Village : (See above)
- Subterranean Tremors : I've really only ever cast this for the artifact removal, @ X=4. My creatures can't handle that much damage, so it is generally a board wipe I don't like, and I would prefer not to lose my artifacts (AKA Crucible of Worlds, which kicks ass in this deck). Therefore, I am replacing this with Vandalblast .
+ 2x Forest
+ Sakura-Tribe Elder : Honestly I don't know what I was thinking not having this in the deck in the first place.
1 month ago
Alright couple of suggestions, I would cut Timber Gorge , Sheltered Thicket , and Gruul Guildgate for sure and replace all three with Forest . Right now you're at 75%+ Green casting cost skewed and your mana base only leans a combined 54% green. So being Gruul and wanting to smash face, let's get those tapped lands outta the way!
Now the Hideaway lands have always been hit or miss for me, both in terms of what gets tucked under them and if/when they activate. If budget isn't a huge factor I'd suggest a Spire Garden and/or a Taiga now before you have a heart attack just put Taiga on the back burner and watch for Damaged/HP ones to come on market, you can get those for a fraction of the price, it just won't be pretty.
On ward to creatures! Rubblehulk is hilarious for when people block the Xenagos'd creature and take a separate one on the chin, Bloodrush with the hulk and enjoy your opponent's shocked and betrayed face. Further Archetype of Aggression is tailor made for this style of deck.
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3 months ago
3 months ago
Hey, SideBae gave you great advice, almost too much ;)
Where to consider starting to make upgrades is the manabase. In my opinion it's the worse part of your current deck. The manabase looks like a budget beginner manabase. Want more good dual lands to go along with the rest of the good cards here. There's many lands to consider adding that are within this deck's budget.
Command Tower is the most played land for multi-colored decks in Commander and for good reason since it can ETB (enter the battlefield) untapped to make any one color of mana that you need. Cinder Glade , Sheltered Thicket and expensive price Stomping Ground are Forest dual lands meaning Nature's Lore , Farseek , Wood Elves and Skyshroud Claim can search for them and put them onto the battlefield. Being able to land ramp with dual lands is very helpful.
The next dual lands to consider are more that can ETB untapped: Karplusan Forest and expensive price Spire Garden . Since playing a lot of basic lands then Rootbound Crag and Game Trail will consistently ETB untapped. Kessig Wolf Run or the less expensive and worse Skarrg, the Rage Pits can give Xenagos or another creature trample.
Some lands that ETB tapped are fine, but these lands need to give you something that's worth it. Raging Ravine is the Gruul creature land and it's good with Xenagos ability to pump a creature. Mosswort Bridge will ETB tapped, but it's hideaway ability is worth it since with Xenagos able to double the power of a creature; getting 10 power worth of creatures is not difficult. Being able to the play the card you hideaway for mana cost is very good.
Lands to consider adding:
- Command Tower
- Cinder Glade
- Sheltered Thicket
- Stomping Ground
- Karplusan Forest
- Spire Garden
- Rootbound Crag
- Game Trail
- Kessig Wolf Run or Skarrg, the Rage Pits
- Raging Ravine
- Mosswort Bridge
Lands to consider cutting:
- 6x Forest
- 3x Mountain
- Naya Panorama
- Temple of Abandon
4 months ago
Yo! RG decks are interesting. Here's what I think -- feel free to disregard it:
The main attraction of running green is having access to one-mana mana-dorks. Llanowar Elves , Birds of Paradise , Fyndhorn Elves , Elvish Mystic and Orcish Lumberjack will all speed up your deck tremendously, while giving you bodies for Overwhelming Stampede or similar finishers. Exploration is a good accelerator, though it can be expensive; search for tomorrow is similar. There are some two- or three-mana dorks you might also want to consider, like Priest of Titania , Shaman of Forgotten Ways and Somberwald Sage . Having dorks ramps green faster than any other color is capable of.
Overwhelming Stampede is an excellent card; in that vein, Overrun and Triumph of the Hordes are both good finishers. If you want to put money into the deck, Craterhoof Behemoth is a great card in Legacy Elves that also works here. Grabbing Craterhoof with something like Natural Order can produce a really fast win. Green Sun's Zenith is another good tutor-spell, which can also fetch Dryad Arbor turn one.
I see you're running Nature's Lore . Farseek is a great card to fetch a mountain, especially if you choose to run Stomping Ground , Sheltered Thicket and/or Cinder Glade . Taiga is good, too, but that's pushing $200 these days... effing OG duals.
Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip is a good card, and an affordable version of Gaea's Cradle . Similarly, Slate of Ancestry is a very underrated EDH card that would be a powerhouse in this deck. In the line of card-draw, Beast Whisperer and Harmonize are worth considering.
Karplusan Forest , Spire Garden , Command Tower and Grove of the Burnwillows are four excellent non-basic, ETB-untapped lands for your colors. You should run these, if at all possible. I think they're better than Jund Panorama and Naya Panorama , as well as Rogue's Passage . You should consider Kessig Wolf Run , as well as cutting one or two lands from the final list.
Depending on how sadistic you are, you may also want to consider running some stax pieces. Thorn of Amethyst is an excellent card in most green decks, as these decks tend to produce oodles of mana and not cast too many non-creature spells. Pyrostatic Pillar and Eidolon of the Great Revel are excellent ways to keep low-curved decks in check. Harsh Mentor varies with meta calls, though it can be very strong. Stranglehold can ruin some strategies, and Price of Glory can nuke counter-heavy decks. Similarly, Vexing Shusher is useful to avoid getting countered, especially since you don't have to activate it until after an opponent casts a counterspell. Scab-Clan Berserker is worth considering.
I suggest Gamble . It's the best tutor in your colors. Eternal Witness is another pretty good card you may want to consider to get you back in the game after a board-wipe. I suggest running Grim Flowering or Nature's Resurgence for the same reason.
Your spot removal will be dependent on how hard you want to lean into Ruric Thar, the Unbowed . If you want to keep him, Reclamation Sage and similar effects are the way to go. Without him, or while thinking of him as a secondary creature, you should run Nature's Claim and/or Krosan Grip . Chain of Acid is an interesting card I've been wondering about recently, so you may be interested in experimenting with it. Hull Breach is similar to Decimate , and is often a two-for-one. Shattering Spree , By Force , Ancient Grudge , Vandalblast and Fiery Confluence are good as well.
Neheb, Dreadhorde Champion is an efficient, powerful creature that helps cycle away dead cards in your hand, all while generating mana. Huntmaster of the Fells Flip is another super-efficient creature. Boartusk Liege is valuable for its anthem effect and not-insignificant body. Siege Behemoth is another recommendation, for obvious reasons.
Depending on your meta, Sunder Shaman , Choke , Carpet of Flowers , Flashfires and Boil are options. If you keep your mana-base with only a few non-basics, Blood Moon , Magus of the Moon and Ruination are good cards. If your meta is super aggressive, you should consider Loxodon Warhammer or Basilisk Collar in order to recoup life points. Runic Armasaur is another good consideration if your meta has a lot of fetch lands and the like.
Strionic Resonator is a way to copy your general's trigger, and may be tremendously helpful. Resolving them in succession on the same creature results in quadrupled power.
Alright, that's all I got for now. I hope you found these suggestions at least a little helpful. Good luck with deck building!
5 months ago
Hmm, I'd like to hear from you how this version performs since I don't want to cut Dragonlord Kolaghan . Also what are your thoughts after playing with Urza's Incubator ? Is this kind of ramp we need?
For land fetching - you have 6 forests and only 2 cards that look specifically for those so I guess that skillful play will fix any problem that would occur. In my build I have both forest duals from BFZ and additional Forest besides 4 forest shocklands and 1 Snow-Covered Forest just in case and to buff a little my chances of having source in opening hand to play dorks.
Lately I'm thinking about cutting lands that ETB tapped so Path of Ancestry might get cut despite being 5-color land and in my opinion you don't need Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth for fixing since you aren't going for Cabal Coffers combo or casting intense spells. On a side note, if you have Rootbound Crag and i.e. Watery Grave then you're forced one turn behind when we discussed how early turns actually get us ahead and allow to keep up with stronger decks.
7 months ago
If you want to reduce your costs even further, Jace's Sanctum is harder to remove. You might consider Reality Shift for exile effects. // It looks like you don't like lands that enter tapped, so Blighted Cataract or Arch of Orazca should replace Memorial to Genius . Spire Garden , Exotic Orchard and Kessig Wolf Run might be good here.
Spire Garden occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.04%
RG (Gruul): 1.04%