Basic Land — Forest
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ThePuolimieli on Yes
1 week ago
This is an awesome deck! +1
I gotta say that I have couple suggestions though:
To make this more aggressive:
Swap 60 Forest to 60 Mountain and start aggroing their face off.
To make this more mind fuck and controlling:
Swap 60 Forest to 60 Island and watch the opponent struggle to play around counterspells.
1 week ago
cEDH is more of a mindset entering the game, than it is a deck definition. cEDH tables will assume every other deck is as powerful as possible, and do anything necessary to efficiently end the game in their favour as soon as it's able to. That's why by far the most interaction in cEDH is counterspell-like more than wrath- and doomblade-like. There's plenty of cheap, two card combos that can end a game, currently the most popular and efficient wincon is Thassa's Oracle + Demonic Consultation / Tainted Pact . Put the oracle trigger on the stack, exile your deck, let the trigger resolve, and win the game even if they remove the oracle. Creatures beating face is a slow, inefficient way to win the game, gathering 120 damage on opponents just takes longer than tutoring out two cards and playing them.
Casual, focused, and even optimized decks usually just want to "do the thing" envisioned in deckbuilding; play tribal, play a janky 5-card combo, voltron someone to death with all the equipment, proliferate all your planeswalkers and collect the emblems, etc; as many objectives as there's players probably. Everyone steps into the game to have a fun time, see their cards at work, enjoy the game as much as trying to win. This is where the social contract and the salty cards lists come in.
A deck that combos off at turn 2, or blowing up all lands to prevent your opponents from playing magic, being able to counter every spell, Windfall + Hullbreacher ... These things offer a different kind of fun, the fun to try and win, or at least dominate, the game at any cost. Like you'd do in Legacy. That's where Ramble's 60 card grind objections originate. If that's the plan you expect from all opponents, you'll adjust the interaction you include to combat those strategies, just like you'd adjust the number of boardwipes in your deck if everyone around you will play tribal creature decks.
For deckbuilding decisions, this basically means you're going to ask yourself for every card: "is this the best card I can play to help me end the game in my favour?". You'll never play a Worn Powerstone if you could play Mana Crypt . You won't include your pet card Archangel Avacyn Flip just because it makes you think of the time you dominated fnm in 2016. Every card has a purpose, and is optimised for that purpose. Even on a budget, that should be your guidelines for building your deck.
MDFCs, however, are seldom best in slot. Their strength lies in never being worst in slot, because if one side is terrible, the other one can be useful enough so you don't topdeck something useless when you really need to hit action. Bala Ged Recovery Flip is a bad Regrowth on one side, and a bad Forest on the other, but will never be dead in hand because of the versatility. cEDH decks are usually not looking for effects like this, because taplands are horrible for swift and efficient play, and actually playing Regrowth would save you the mana to actually cast that winning spell you're getting back from the graveyard. So Mcat1999 's presumption of: one or two could be good enough, but they usually won't make that much of a splash on the highest power levels, is probably accurate, at least for the MDFCs printed until now.
2 weeks ago
And while you like Merfolk, at least Wizards remembers you exist, unlike my beloved Kavu. :(
2 weeks ago
Ok so the changes i made are-
Out- Birds of Paradise , Manaweft Sliver , Leyline Prowler , Yavimaya Elder , Capricopian , Seedborn Muse , Chromatic Lantern , Darksteel Ingot , Replicating Ring , Gilded Lotus , Opulent Palace , Winged Temple of Orazca
I forgot i wanted Worldly tutor and Parallel Lives in the deck.
Check the new build/stats and gimme yer thoughts.
3 weeks ago
Seriously though, this looks sweet as hell. The infinite mana angle seems nasty, but not overly pushed, which should lead to good gameplay. Freed from the Real tends to be a surprisingly loud threat and my guess is that it's likely going to be a bit too greedy, especially considering you have fairly limited protection. Pemmin's Aura is good enough because the protection is built-in, and the added evasion will help you close some games. I've also found that cards like this tend to suffer quite a bit to the Chaos Orb s in our meta but YMMV.
The first thing that stood out to me was that you have significantly less interaction than you typically play, and I'd bet that it'll feel a bit uncomfortable having to be so selective with your answers. I'd recommend adding Windgrace's Judgment and Assassin's Trophy to improve your flexible removal, and some number of Erebos's Intervention , Battle at the Bridge , Profane Command , and Black Sun's Zenith to up your creature removal and creature count (Hydra tokens) at the same time. Also, these do really well against indestructible threats (cough Blightsteel Colossus + Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger cough) like gods and such.
You could probably also use another counterspell or two, but if you don't want to lean too hard that direction, that's understandable.
The second main thing I noticed is your mana ramp package—I'd look at it fairly critically and consider your goals. For example, I'd keep all creatures that tap for 2 or more mana ( Bloom Tender , Incubation Druid , Selvala, Heart of the Wilds ) as they give you more paths to going infinite. I'd cut the ones that only make 1 mana ( Birds of Paradise , Manaweft Sliver , Leyline Prowler ) as they tend to be a bit of a liability compared to land fetch spells and you aren't inherently taking advantage of the fact that they are creatures.
I'd also focus on the curve of your mana ramp. I think you should prioritize 2 cost spells like the three on-color signets, and the land fetch spells Nature's Lore , Farseek , Rampant Growth , and Sakura-Tribe Elder . Swapping these for your 3-5 cost mana ramp will give you more chances to cast Zaxara on turn 3 and get the ball rolling on both bigger mana and generating hydras. The way I see it, you could have a signet + Zaxara to use on turn 5 or spend that same turn casting a Gilded Lotus which is the same mana output but a turn slower. Basalt Monolith is the exception here as it goes infinite.
The final thing I'd encourage is to play more land. You really need to always hit Zaxara early for your deck to do it's thing, and maximizing your potential to consistently hit 4 mana on curve is going to pay dividends. At 34 I'd say you're 2-3 short of what I'd recommend for a mana-hungry deck like this, and you're actually at 33 right now because Winged Temple of Orazca starts as a Hadana's Climb Flip and likely shouldn't be counted as a land.
Here are the baseline swaps I'd recommend:
Out - Birds of Paradise - Manaweft Sliver - Leyline Prowler - Yavimaya Elder - Freed from the Real - Capricopian - Seedborn Muse - Chromatic Lantern - Darksteel Ingot - Replicating Ring - Gilded Lotus - Opulent Palace
In + 2 Forest + 1 Island + 1 Swamp + Farseek + Nature's Lore + Sakura-Tribe Elder + Golgari Signet + Simic Signet + Dimir Signet + Profane Command / Erebos's Intervention + Windgrace's Judgment / Assassin's Trophy
These aren't super exciting changes but they'll massively help your initial consistency. I'd play the deck a buch before deciding what swaps would be best beyond this.
Stoked to see the deck in action!
3 weeks ago
Made a number of updates - 20 cards changed in total including commander (Roon removed in favor of Chulane):
Removed Roon of the Hidden Realm , 3x Island , 2x Forest , 2x Plains , Selesnya Signet , Simic Signet , Telling Time , Brainstorm , Ponder , Preordain , Foresee , Time Reversal , Terminus , Kiora, the Crashing Wave , Tamiyo, Field Researcher , Darksteel Ingot , and Terastodon
Added: Chulane, Teller of Tales , 2x Snow-Covered Island , 2x Snow-Covered Plains , 2x Snow-Covered Forest , Flooded Grove , Arcane Signet , Teferi's Ageless Insight , Tatyova, Benthic Druid , Ice-Fang Coatl , Reveillark , Prime Speaker Zannifar, Brago, King Eternal , Vesperlark , Glen Elendra Archmage , Seedborn Muse , Soulherder , Beast Whisperer , and Commander's Sphere