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Basic Land — Forest
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12 hours ago
2 days ago
Nevermind; I did not realize Orcish Lumberjack was not Modern legal. I assumed the new frame meant he was. I did not realize he was reprinted from non-Modern legal sets.
My bad :p
5 days ago
Alright couple of suggestions, I would cut Timber Gorge , Sheltered Thicket , and Gruul Guildgate for sure and replace all three with Forest . Right now you're at 75%+ Green casting cost skewed and your mana base only leans a combined 54% green. So being Gruul and wanting to smash face, let's get those tapped lands outta the way!
Now the Hideaway lands have always been hit or miss for me, both in terms of what gets tucked under them and if/when they activate. If budget isn't a huge factor I'd suggest a Spire Garden and/or a Taiga now before you have a heart attack just put Taiga on the back burner and watch for Damaged/HP ones to come on market, you can get those for a fraction of the price, it just won't be pretty.
On ward to creatures! Rubblehulk is hilarious for when people block the Xenagos'd creature and take a separate one on the chin, Bloodrush with the hulk and enjoy your opponent's shocked and betrayed face. Further Archetype of Aggression is tailor made for this style of deck.
1 week ago
I always liked elves. I have a few suggestions:
Concerning your land-base: I think you should cut Command Tower and (maybe) Reliquary Tower . Since your commander is mono-colored, Command Tower is only ever going to produce ; however, it will never be a forest or a basic land. This means that you cannot untap it with Arbor Elf and it dies to Blood Moon , Back to Basics , Wasteland , Ruination , Magus of the Moon , Dwarven Miner , Dwarven Blastminer , Shivan Harvest ... I think just a regular Forest is significantly better, as you generally want to avoid undue risk. Reliquary Tower is a bit trickier, and it will depend on how the deck plays. However, as a general rule, if you have an excess of seven cards in hand, then you should have a developed board to support it and either win or get down to seven. I have long ago stopped including unlimited hand-size effects in my decks, and I've never needed one since; however, if your experience with this deck says otherwise, do please ignore me.
Gaea's Cradle is amazing, but also about the same price as a used liver. For that reason, you may have more luck running something like Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip, which is essentially the same card (though slightly slower), and much more affordable. Pairing this with Deserted Temple results in instant fun.
Your general has an Overrun effect stapled onto him, so I'm assuming that's how you generally plan to win. However, my experience has always been that if your commander is your only win-condition, your opponents will learn that and keep him off the board more or less indefinitely. I suggest running one or two alternative but similar effects: Triumph of the Hordes and/or Craterhoof Behemoth . Triumph of the Hordes has the advantage of not actually needing a full board to be lethal -- in EDH, 10 points of poison still kills a player. Craterhoof Behemoth is around $30 nowadays, but it happens to be sorta an insanely good card -- especially if you tutor it out with Natural Order or similar effects.
One of the main weaknesses of 'go wide' creature decks is that they tend to be soft to mass-removal. The best way to counteract this is by keeping a full hand, meaning that card-advantage is at a premium. Slate of Ancestry is a great way to keep generating advantage from a full board, and if you hold up mana you can activate it in response to a Supreme Verdict or similar effect. Beast Whisperer is an elf I'm surprised to see you aren't running. Skyshroud Poacher , while not an elf himself, can grab you your duders without having to bother casting them -- if he and a few other cards are what you have left in hand after a wrath effect, he can help rebuild your board.
There are some meta-specific cards you might find helpful. Gaea's Herald , Carpet of Flowers and Choke are all good in a blue-heavy meta. Compost is another draw engine that frequently nets cards, as black is generally the second best EDH color (after blue). Veil of Summer is a good card born of M20.
Right. That's all I got... hopefully you find at least some of it helpful. Good luck!
2 weeks ago
I love equipment, I am hoping for an upgrade to the preconstructed deck and I came across this one, I massaged the mana base a bit with some stuff I already have, but thank you for continuing to tweak, I hope that the person piloting this at the table has fun (I tend to bring a dozen or so commander decks to game night so folk don't have to be out of pocket to play ... and I'm addicted).
3 weeks ago
Just so you also know, some cards, like Bant Panorama limit your search to a “basic forest” - Snow-Covered Forest has the basic supertype, so you will be able to fetch it with cards seeking a “basic forest” as well.
3 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
We gave your request a lot of thought. Our main objective was to keep the spirit of the deck the same. So we decided to try and find replacements for the more expensive cards while keeping the original thought of the replaced cards alive. Naturally this would mean we would end up with cards that are either slightly less effective at what the expensive cards do, or they have a higher CMC, or both.
Almost all replacements we have chosen cost below 1 dollar. Some of the replaced cards are cards we do not own, so we decided not to post a new deck as we only do so when we own all the cards in it. So, here is a list of the replacements we would make in order to turn this into a less expensive deck:
- Forest for all the non-basic lands
- Hermit of the Natterknolls Flip for Beast Whisperer
- Ivy Lane Denizen for Bloodspore Thrinax
- End-Raze Forerunners for Craterhoof Behemoth
- Wirewood Channeler for Elvish Archdruid
- Skullwinder for Eternal Witness
- Rushwood Herbalist for Ezuri, Renegade Leader
- Evolutionary Leap for Fauna Shaman
- Elfhame Druid for Fyndhorn Elves
- Deadly Recluse for Hornet Queen
- Dwynen, Gilt-Leaf Daen for Joraga Warcaller
- Ant Queen for Mycoloth
- Nullmage Advocate for Nullmage Shepherd
- Centaur Rootcaster for Oracle of Mul Daya
- Thunderfoot Baloth for Pathbreaker Ibex
- Mul Daya Channelers for Priest of Titania
- Initiate's Companion for Quirion Ranger
- Runic Armasaur for Regal Force
- Yavimaya Elder for Sakura-Tribe Elder
- Llanowar Scout for Sakura-Tribe Scout
- Deathgorge Scavenger for Scavenging Ooze
- Fyndhorn Brownie for Scryb Ranger
- Rampaging Baloths for Seedborn Muse (we know, not quite the same functions)
- Archetype of Endurance for Asceticism
- Overrun for Beastmaster Ascension
- Abundance for Burgeoning / Exploration
- Beast Within for Song of the Dryads
- Nature's Claim for Krosan Grip
- Vitalize for Benefactor's Draught
- Shared Summons for Green Sun's Zenith / Genesis Wave
- Mask of Avacyn for Lightning Greaves / Swiftfoot Boots
- Sol Ring for Worn Powerstone
We were not able to find suitable replacements (i.e.: cards that would do the same thing but be slightly less effective at it) for the following cards:
- Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger
- Concordant Crossroads
- Mirri's Guile
- Quest for Renewal
- Heroic Intervention
- Worldly Tutor
- Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury
- Lifecrafter's Bestiary
- Sensei's Divining Top
- Umbral Mantle
So if you have any suggestions for these, please let us know. For now, we hope we helped you a bit to make a cheaper version of our deck. Have fun brewing it!
Mrs. and Mr. NV_1980
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