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Deck based around Helix Pinnacle , plus a few power cards to keep me alive until I can get it up to 100.
Still needs some work
All suggestions and +1's are welcome! :)
Elvish Guidance would be awesome. As would Doubling Cube . I would find a way to add both :). You might need some kind of infinite mana or stall lock if your going to get up to 100 counters. Like mine has an infinite lock in it :P. You need some valid ways to stall your opponent.
Also, should I cut the Wurmcoil Engines? 2 Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger and 2 Blightsteel Colossus seems like enough power for the deck, but I could be wrong. If not, what should I take out to add ~2 Elvish Guidance ?
Thanks for the comments! +1's anyone? :)
Also, if you splash white, you'll be able to put in certain cards to fetch Helix Pinnacle , so that's another bonus.
Elephant Grass does seem like a nice way to slow your opponent down if you aren't splashing, but if you are, i'm certain there are better in white.
One more suggestion, you may want to consider Omnath, Locus of Mana . First, he ends up being a BIG creature, second, with Doubling Cube in play, he's a way of doubling all your mana while holding on to it.
Consider Wolfbriar Elemental as a huge mana dump if you need a large amount of blockers or another win-con. However, your Loci are useless for kicking it.
Primeval Titan can dig out those Loci for you.
card:Green Sun's Zenith adds a dash of consistency by grabbing the elves you require.
@ nemesis101 - Is splashing white worth it in your opinion? About Omnath, Locus of Mana - wouldn't he not get big, because I would be spending all the mana on Helix Pinnacle ? Oh. wait I'd let him get big for the turn, double everything before he attacks, and then use it on Helix Pinnacle , correct? I'll add him to the Maybeboard and see what other people say! :)
@ Geoxis - That combo would be great in this deck, but what would I take out? I have too many options so I need suggestions of what to take out/ how to move cards around :P
Primeval Titan would be great, but I have too many power cards in this deck already, so I don't think it'd be a good addition, unless you can suggest something to take out :P that goes for any cards too :)
Cost isn't an issue - I only play on Cockatrice and won't be actually buying this deck, so don't worry about the cost. Do you think I should splash white for those tutors?
Not to be pushy but +1's anyone? :)
@ducttapedeckbox: Vorinclex seems a bit 'meh' in this deck. He doesn't help your explosive mana bursts from Elves or Loci very much, since his ability only adds 1 mana per land, and doesn't help creature-made mana at all. Try replacing him with Primeval titan for a bit to test, getting your lands out is a priority.
I would consider splashing white for tutors, but your mana base is rather fragile for multiple colors. Either way, the only way to find out is test.
Have you considered dropping to 22 or 20 lands? You have reliable enough mana production to keep going with slightly less forests. It would make more room for options.
I'm going to take what you said into consideration, and make a few changes right now.
I'm going to stick with mono-green for now, but might change to G/W later
If this is a casual deck I'd almost suggest going with the Overgrown Battlement ramp plan instead of elves (also rtr has another battlements like defender) that way you have ramp and stall and you won't appear aggressive so opponents will be less likely to see your board state as a threat. As for your alternate bomb I'd suggest going with maybe emrakul or one of the other two legendary eldrazi as they not only give you a large, game ending bomb, but they give you protection from milling decks.
@ Demarge - I like the walls in the way that they'd be a better stall than the elves. However, I like the elves as well because I have Elvish Archdruid , Elvish Guidance and Priest of Titania - all of which essentially have the same ability as Overgrown Battlement . If there are multiple cards that do the same thing as Overgrown Battlement , please tell me them! :)
Maybe I'll replace Blightsteel Colossus with a large eldrazi? I'll try it both ways and see which I prefer.
As for Beast Within , I will add that now!
On a side note, I've been thinking of splashing red with a few R/G dual lands just for a massive Bonfire of the Damned - it would've been extremely useful in almost every game I've played with this deck. Any comments on that? Dumb idea? Good idea?
Thanks for commenting/ +1 everyone! :)
Genesis Wave is a must, if you do splash white like mentioned above, Village Bell-Ringer is insane, when he enters the battlefield, he untaps all your Priest of Titania and Elvish Archdruid , allowing you to go insane, if you have problems with board wipes, Gaddock Teeg could be good (most board wipes cost 4). if not, consider splashing black to prevent boared wipes with Blood Artist and if you can get Soul of the Harvest its actually better then prim time with elves
@ buffy - thanks so much!
@ theonyc - I definitely want to add in Genesis Wave . What do you suggest I take out? For now, I think I'm going to stick with mono-green unless I find it absolutely necessary to splash white. But, I was considering splashing red for Bonfire of the Damned . Do you think it's worth it? Village Bell-Ringer and Gaddock Teeg are definitely cards I'll consider if I splash white.
Thanks for the comments everyone! :) +1's? :P
then yeah, i would put in some naturalizes or something, your sideboard should mainly contain cards that people you play against play, so if someone is playing reanimator or pod, you should put in around 3 card:Grafdigger's Cages. against aggro if you find your self loosing, in goes Kitchen Finks and the such. the sideboard depends on your meta but it's really important. that being said, i don't use side boards :P (i should though)
Elvish Guidance is cool but seems to unreliable because its not an elf itself and ur only playing 10 elves, 2 more Llanowar Elves and 4 Fyndhorn Elves would make it more reliable while increasing speed. Omnath, Locus of Mana is cool, but Cloudpost doesn't add green mana, only colorless, and you have 12
5-3: 2. 2x2= 4. 4-3: 1, complete loss. with 6 mana, it would break even, 6-3=3. 3x2=6, resulting in a tapped artifact. with 7 you would make a profit. 7-3: 4. 4x2: 8, so with one, a profit of 1, with 2 8-3: 5. 5x2=10. i actually dont think its worth running because unless you get 7 mana, it doesn't do anything, and even if you do, it would only make 1 mana.
I'm usually down to 1-3 cards in my hand (Beast Within , early game Blightsteel Colossus , or an extra Helix Pinnacle which I can easily play). Bottled Cloister is definitely something I'll sideboard just in case I face a fast-paced small token deck or something (my sideboards are usually just ideas that I rarely use, but we'll see).
Thanks for the suggestions! Could I get a +1 if you haven't done so? :)
looking back, that might not have seemed like a complement, it actually was, i like playing relatively unstable decks, but this deck seems like it will always be good, which i actually hate (i guess im weird like that) so its actually a complement disguised as a insult, sorry
it does but i think it really helps you a lot more, the opponent doesnt have mana magnifiers like you do, but of course these cards are always a risk. The only thing that balances the New Frontiers is the fact that the opponent gets access to their basic land mana before you do.
Cavern of Souls, I name elves, whatever. Dark Depths? 30 mana for a 20/20 indestructible flyer. Eye of Ugin for Emrakul. ( They board wipe, and you get all the cards back in your library. Fetch lands. Verdant Catacombs or Misty Rainforest, to thin out your deck. Mosswort Bridge? Get a big Omnath or a Blightsteel Colossus. ( Hide an Emrakul! ) Mutavault? Its an elf... Oran-Rief, the Vastwood. Save some creatures from pyroclasm. Pendalhaven? Springjack Pasture. Mana and life. Tectonic Edge. I don't believe Cloudpost is allowed in modern, I may be wrong, but instead of 12 Post, you could use Tron. The three Urza's. ( Primeval Titan searches for 2 of the 3 lands.) This is a lot, but these are just mana base suggestions.