Preordain

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Tiny Leaders Legal
Noble Legal
Leviathan Legal
Custom Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Casual Legal
Pauper EDH Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Unformat Legal
Pauper Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Commander 2015 (C15) Common
Duel Decks: Venser vs. Koth (DDI) Common
2011 Core Set (M11) Common

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Preordain

Sorcery

Scry 2, then draw a card. (To scry 2, look at the top two cards of your library, then put any number of them on the bottom of your library and the rest on top in any order.)

Preordain Discussion

SideBae on Yuriko V1

19 hours ago

First things first: All EDH decks need ramp. Unfortunately for UB decks, most of the ramp in the game is in green or occasionally red (see Orcish Lumberjack ). That means artifacts are the way to go. I advise Dimir Signet , Talisman of Dominance and MindStone (maybe) as relatively affordable cards you can use for ramp; but since you're running Mox Diamond , I might as well mention Grim Monolith and Mox Opal . Your artifact count is a little low for the opal, though, but that may change as the deck evolves.

I see you've included Changeling Outcast . Consider running Mothdust Changeling as another evasive, one-drop ninja. Mist-Syndicate Naga and Silent-Blade Oni are excellent ninjas as well; you should at least consider Throatseeker . Baleful Strix is another creature to consider, as returning it to your hand with ninjutsu allows you to draw more than one card with it after you cast it additional times. It is also hard to block, and can make a formidable blocker on its own.

Cavern of Souls is an excellent include, if you have access to it. It's usually a lot more integral, but you'll likely be using the ninjutsu ability most of the time rather than casting your guys. Still, keep it in mind.

Preordain is good in conjunction with Ponder and Brainstorm . Treasure Cruise and Dig Through Time are also high CMC card-draw spells that are relatively easy to cast.

Running Jace, the Mind Sculptor seems good here, though he is over $100 nowadays; I must admit I am having a hard time determining the deck's budget, mostly because of the Mox Diamond and Mana Crypt . Note also that, as you're already including Sensei's Divining Top , Scroll Rack and potentially Jace, the Mind Sculptor , you can consider running Counterbalance . Counterbalance is generally a high-variance card in EDH, but I've had some success with it in the past.

Depending on your meta, Ashiok, Dream Render can be an all star. In almost every meta, Narset, Parter of Veils is an all star, especially if paired with a well-timed Windfall .

In my Tasigur, the Golden Fang deck, I run a similar combo-kill of casting Nexus of Fate repeatedly with an otherwise empty library. I use Tainted Pact to get rid of my library, running a single basic and snow basic of each type. Crafting your mana base carefully might allow you to run Tainted Pact too -- give thought to lands like Ancient Tomb , Cephalid Coliseum or Cabal Pit . If that doesn't work, Demonic Consultation with Nexus of Fate in hand is also good.

If your meta is filled with combo decks (I know mine is), Arcane Laboratory is a good option, especially since ninjutsu isn't an alternate casting cost; Mana Maze is similar. Dispel is a counter-counter spell I've found tremendously useful, especially since it can stop an opposing ad nauseum right away.

Raven's Crime seems like a good way to use up excess lands you draw.

Not sure how much I like Aether Vial in an EDH deck. Yes, your creature-curve is low and very consistent, but drawing it later in the game, especially if you're behind, has all the feel-bad-ness in the world. Maybe Leyline of Anticipation is better? It allows all your spells to go in at instant speed, flips for an extra three damage off a Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow trigger, and can begin the game occasionally on the table for free. Yes, it is still dead if drawn late, but it isn't AS dead in that it immediately takes full effect; Aether Vial requires two or three turns to become powerful, and then only works with creatures.

Time Stretch is an extra-turn card to consider, though it may be too expensive to cast.

Invisible Stalker as another ninjutsu enabler? I'd run it over Hope of Ghirapur , though that may be a meta call.

Commandeer and Misdirection are two disruptive, high-cost instants with good alternate casting costs to consider.

Mystic Remora is good in most blue decks, especially if your opening hand is otherwise slow. Players have to either play around it, which slows the game enough for you to catch up, or play into it, which can easily make it an Ancestral Recall . I personally think it is a better card than Rhystic Study , if only because by T3 you probably want to be doing other things with your mana.

Thirst for Knowledge , Painful Truths , Chart a Course , Notion Thief and Night's Whisper are all worth considering as efficient draw-engines. Notion Thief feels especially brutal when cast as a response to an opposing Brainstorm .

Ok man -- that's all I got. Good luck with deck building!

SideBae on That's no King Cureslime

1 day ago

I mean, so with regards to self-mill Cephalid Vandal is a card I've been impressed with. Dredge creatures like Golgari Grave-Troll and Stinkweed Imp are also good to consider in addition to your Life from the Loam .

The biggest bonus of being in green is the color's access to one-mana mana dorks. Llanowar Elves , Elves of Deep Shadow , Birds of Paradise , Deathrite Shaman , Fyndhorn Elves and Elvish Mystic are all cards to consider. Simply being able to play a turn or so faster can make all the difference in the world. Similarly, Priest of Titania and Bloom Tender are great dorks, though being two mana does put them second-tier.

I've generally found that, in EDH, replacing 1-for-1s with 2-or-more-for-1s is a good idea. Force of Vigor is a new card I've been considering for my decks, and I think it's strictly better than Naturalize .

Have you considered Reanimate ? I notice that you aren't running it -- I think it's probably the best reanimation spell there is.

With the recent printings of enemy talismans, I don't think running Dimir Signet , Simic Signet and Golgari Signet is where you want to be. Talisman of Dominance , Talisman of Creativity and Talisman of Resilience are less awkward to use and cost the same.

Unless I'm missing some targeted spells in your list, I think Lightning Greaves is better than Swiftfoot Boots .

Mana Confluence and City of Brass are important sources of colored mana once you're at 3+ colors. Additionally, fetch lands are at a premium. Though the Onslaught and Zendikar fetches can cost the same as a used kidney, slow fetches ( Grasslands , Rocky Tar Pit , Bad River , Flood Plain and Mountain Valley ) work as well and are WAY easier on the wallet.

You may want to get more card-draw in your list, too. Grim Flowering and Nature's Resurgence seem powerful in a creature-heavy list based around self-mill, but classic draw spells like Painful Truths , Thirst for Knowledge , Night's Whisper , Chart a Course , Ponder , Preordain and Fact or Fiction are also really strong here. I like that you're already running Windfall -- most people forget that card for some reason; it's like, REALLY good. Brainstorm is another card to consider, but it only becomes good with a lot of shuffle effects (see the aforementioned fetch lands).

I gotta go to work. Good luck man!

SideBae on Varina Zombie Tribal EDH

2 days ago

My first suggestion involves your artifact ramp. Dimir Signet and Orzhov Signet are worse than Talisman of Dominance and Talisman of Hierarchy in the majority of situations, mainly because they don't need mana to begin activating. Talisman of Progress is also worth considering, though I'm assuming blue and white are your lesser colors. In that vein, I suggest cutting Chromatic Lantern for another piece of two-mana artifact ramp. In my experience, there is a big difference between 2 and 3 mana rocks in EDH, and anything you can do to increase your deck's speed will be a good thing.

Considering the win conditions: I think Approach of the Second Sun is superfluous. In my experience, zombie decks are perfectly happy just trying to get away with the aggro win condition, though the Gravecrawler loops are certainly an interesting second. The problem with Approach of the Second Sun is that it is not good by itself; generally, you want to run combo pieces that also serve some utility even without the combo. (For example, this is why I hate the Isochron Scepter in my Kess, Dissident Mage list.) Drawing it in your opener or when you don't have the mana to cast it leaves it essentially dead, and I think the aggro or Gravecrawler plans are just better.

Once you hit three colors, mana base becomes extremely important. City of Brass and Mana Confluence are excellent cards, and I've had excellent luck with them. Ideally, you'd run fetch lands like Polluted Delta and Misty Rainforest as a sort of 'additional dual land,' but these can be very pricy. If that's an issue, I advise slow fetches like Bad River , Flood Plain , Rocky Tar Pit and Grasslands . Cavern of Souls is an expensive card, though it is excellent in any tribal deck -- if you have access to it, you should run it. Unclaimed Territory is another thing to consider, as is running Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth instead of one of your basic Swamp s. I also think you're running a few too many lands. Thirty-three is generally my upper limit, and since your curve is so high, I think that's about what you'd want. Thirty-five is too many.

I like that you're running zombie lords. Though anthem effects do greatly reduce the synergy of Gravecrawler with Skullclamp , I think their bonus to the aggro plan is high enough to justify their inclusion. In that vein, Lord of the Undead and Zombie Master are worth considering.

Card advantage decides most EDH games -- for example, yesterday I had someone concede not because I had pressure on the board, but because I was drawing five more cards than them a turn. Though this may have been a premature concession, it does illustrate my point. Thus, I highly recommend running cards like Graveborn Muse , Phyrexian Arena , Painful Truths , Chart a Course , Slate of Ancestry , Glimmer of Genius , Pulse of the Grid , Night's Whisper , Notion Thief , Thirst for Knowledge and/or Windfall . Similarly, cantrips like Ponder and Preordain are almost auto-includes in a blue list. Brainstorm 's efficacy is dependent on the number of shuffle effects you run, though if you choose to include fetches (slow or otherwise), I highly advise it. Many of these cards involve paying life; if life becomes an issue, try Whip of Erebos or a non-lethal Exsanguinate in addition to your Gray Merchant of Asphodel .

Tutors are good cards. I'm a fan of Entomb in addition to your Buried Alive , as it gets Gravecrawler in the yard for your combo and, if you pair it with reanimation like Reanimate , Animate Dead or the Victimize / Stitch Together you already run, it allows you to cheat in fatties. Grave Titan and Massacre Wurm are two of my favorite reanimation targets, but they're both around $20 these days. Demonic Tutor and Vampiric Tutor are the gold standard for black tutors, but these can also be inaccessible because of their price. Diabolic Tutor is a fine substitute, and I've had good success with Lim-Dul's Vault .

Liliana is also a good zombie-include, be it for flavor or for the power she offers. Liliana, Death's Majesty is great in zombie decks and is pretty affordable; Liliana, Dreadhorde General has been dropping in price recently and is also great. Depending on your playgroup's meta, Liliana, the Last Hope may be a powerhouse, though she is $40 these days.

Generally in EDH, one-for-ones are not where you want to be. There are usually three opponents, so on average you'll be facing 3x as many cards as you have. Anguished Unmaking and Utter End are good cards, but they are not as good in EDH as they'd be in 1v1 formats. Supreme Verdict and Merciless Eviction , which I see you're running, are better. Might I suggest Damnation , Wrath of God , and/or Toxic Deluge ? You may want to lean toward black board-wipes, as this is already where your mana will be when casting zombies. An overloaded Cyclonic Rift is also great, especially if paired with the aforementioned Windfall .

Perpetual Timepiece is a cool include. Consider Cephalid Vandal . Because you're not running Call to the Grave (which I think is overrated anyways), there is little to no cost of running non-zombie creatures in your deck. I think Cephalid Vandal is another good way of trying to keep your deck churning with self-mill.

Another thing that takes good EDH decks to the next level is counter magic. I see you're running Counterspell , which is good, but you should consider running at least three to four other counter spells as well. Force of Will , Mana Drain and Pact of Negation are all good if you want to sell a kidney. If you're a slightly more reasonable player, cards like Narset's Reversal , Negate / Countersquall / Dovin's Veto , Swan Song , Disallow , Arcane Denial and Archmage's Charm are also worth considering.

Depending on your meta (and your personal level of sadism), Narset, Parter of Veils and Ashiok, Dream Render should be considered. Turning off tutors and extra-draws with asymmetrical effects is brutal. Personally, I don't think those two cards should ever have been printed, but what the hell -- they're here, so we might as well use them.

Patriarch's Bidding is a good way for a tribal deck to recover after a board-wipe, and Living Death is just good for black creature decks in general. Living Death is a sort of nonbo with Wonder , but that may be worth the trouble; play-testing will iron that issue out.

Good luck man!

BMHKain on Beyond (Censored as it discerns "something")

2 days ago

@austintayshus: Hmph. I suppose a Turn One Doomsday Package (Including at least Preordain as the cracker is impossible. It does require stuff like Lion's Eye Diamond & Yawgwin after all. The Previous Package will have to suffice:

Doomsday Cracker: Preordain

  1. Laboratory Maniac (Core Piece)
  2. Gitaxian Probe (Immediate Deckout-Win)
  3. Pact of Negation (Spot Removal)
  4. Frantic Search (Untap Engine)
  5. Night's Whisper (Couldn't find anything else...)

Whilst it requires more mana; & more turns, it's better than nothing. This will be added as a result. After that, enough procrastination, I still have to cut all the way to 100 cards; even w/ TsukasaSyndrome in my mind. PX

BMHKain on Beyond (Censored as it discerns "something")

5 days ago

@austintayshus: Why not Frantic Search ?

Package so far

Doomsday

Package Cracker: Preordain

Package in no Particular Order:

  1. Laboratory Maniac (Core Piece)
  2. Gitaxian Probe (Immediate Deckout-Win)
  3. Pact of Negation (Spot Removal)
  4. Frantic Search (Untap Engine) ???

One piece left. & I've only reached 4 out of the strict six Minimum. Wait. What if the last piece is also splashing in some ?

Doomsday Cracker: Preordain

Semi-Final Package in no order:

  1. Laboratory Maniac (Core Piece)
  2. Gitaxian Probe (Immediate Deckout-Win)
  3. Pact of Negation (Spot Removal)
  4. Frantic Search (Untap Engine)
  5. Night's Whisper (Couldn't find anything else...)

Do you think this is legitimate enough?

Also, enough of this Doomsday stuff after this; I still need to cut this to 100 cards regardless... :/

BMHKain on Beyond (Censored as it discerns "something")

6 days ago

@Yesterday & austintayshus: If we're talking Doomsday ; this is what I got so far:

Package Cracker: Preordain

Package in no particular order:

  1. Laboratory Maniac (Core Piece)
  2. Gitaxian Probe (Immediate Deckout-Win)
  3. Pact of Negation (Spot Removal)
  4. ???
  5. ???

This leaves us w/ 2 slots remaining. Gush is out of the picture though; not enough Island to save my butt. & don't get me started on Lion's Eye Diamond ; I have both Yawgmoth's Will & Magus of the Will , & I'm not running either.

But if there are any dream combos Boros could ever have, I'd love to mention them; but not today. One of them IS a Doomsday Package; though for the sake of cEDH, I've yet to find a Hulk Combo; Protean Hulk isn't in colors...

...Any other Hulk combos out there that didn't even need to run ?

But at least I've 4/6 pieces. But the Card Draw Strict Minimum in a good pile is 6; ...I got 2. Not going to add the two Wills for multipliers, but I still need some kind of Mana Ramp (Optional.), & something cheap that can run 4 draw; which, is just an impossibility. But you know the rulings now; so what last 2 to add... BTW 5/6 Draw Rating won't work in anyway, there is an actual Primer for this BTW.

DoWell on Nicol Bolas Ravages Your Deck

1 week ago

I think some better artifact ramp would do you good. It will speed up your deck significantly. Things like Izzet Signet Dimir Signet Rakdos Signet Chromatic Lantern . You could easily drop to 33 lands with 10 solid mana rocks.

Brainstorm is great! Why not also add a Ponder Preordain Serum Visions for more consistent cheap card draw.

Life_autonomous on A Song of Ice, Fire, and Uglies

1 week ago

SideBae I will consider cutting a couple lands. In this case I suppose I am not going for a big mana strategy since I can suspend the beefy spells. I will run Preordain as well. Just haven't gotten a copy for this deck. I really like your idea for wheeling. Unfortunately I dont have $200 lying around, but you bet I will take the cheap route to utilize Narset, Parter of Veils more. I mostly kept that card in there to stop a The Locust God deck that constantly causes trouble in my playgroup, but card advantage is much needed. I will toy around with Gamble and I am currently running Chain of Vapor Thank you for the suggestions! It helps a lot. Get that $$$ bud.

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Preordain occurrence in decks from the last year

Legacy:

All decks: 1.07%

Commander / EDH:

All decks: 0.11%

Blue: 0.66%

UR (Izzet): 1.03%

WUB (Esper): 0.54%

UBR (Grixis): 0.67%