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Draw two cards, then discard two cards.
Untap up to three lands.
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Frantic Search Discussion
19 hours ago
Hello, I saw the message you left on my wall, and I'm pretty sure this is the deck you were asking about, right?
So, when you say competitive, how competitive do you mean? cEDH is somewhat of a different beast from the usual EDH, where decks have average mana costs under 2, and you should be able to goldfish a win early (like turn 3 or earlier) and win through disruption turn 5+ and beyond. Grixis Storm is an established cEDH archetype, and that's most likely what you could slide these Commanders into (Kess and Jeleva are the usual Commanders for such a thing, but there's no reason you couldn't use partners even if they're a little suboptimal; it's the 99 (or 98, in this case) that would be most important to set in stone). Also, cEDH ain't cheap. Your deck will probably have a similar price tag to some of mine if you actually go all out on optimization (for example, check my Breya list here. It can win turn 2 with no acceleration at all, turn 1 with acceleration. The deck has a hard time with disruption, though, which is why it's geared toward winning as fast as possible. If that's what you have interest in, then a complete rework of this deck may be necessary as your mana costs are simply too high to support this at current.
So, that said, if you're just wanting a good Vial Smasher/Kraum deck, I can help with that. Keep an idea of swapping Kraum for Silas Renn in the back pocket, though, because he can be nice recursion at a low-creature table.
Isochron Scepter + Dramatic Reversal + mana rocks is a great way to produce infinite spells cast and mana. It's generally easier to pull off than Rings + Monolith, and while it does require more moving parts, those parts are all cards you should be happy to see anyway (artifact or creature based ramp). As it stands, I only see 9 mana rocks in this deck- that number should be increased. Talisman of Dominance and Indulgence should go in, as should Fellwar Stone . Chrome Mox would be a nice inclusion as well. Charcoal Diamond and Sky Diamond make reasonable budget inclusions until you can get Mox Opal or Mox Diamond . That'll put you up to 15 mana rocks and 37 lands, so you could probably drop a land or two to hover around 50 mana sources. I also see that you have Power Artifact in the deck, and it might be a good idea to add Grim Monolith since those also produce infinite mana together (skip adding a Diamond to add this). I recommend dropping:
Metallurgic Summoning (card seems meh; it can win via Dramatic Scepter but your draw spells and Comet Storm, etc., do this already).
Platinum Angel (it's a nice card, but this doesn't really help you win unless you were absolutely going to lose after you reached 7 mana, and involves nobody having a kill spell. Most of the time, having removal or a counter would be straight up superior to running this card).
Kaervek the Merciless (he's a great effect but 7 mana is quite a lot).
Strionic Resonator (this doesn't do that much here, not that I can tell. I may be glossing over something, but it's not like this is a Brago deck where this goes infinite with a Sol Ring or something).
Invoke the Firemind (this isn't great unless you have infinite mana, and you already have better draw spells once you get infinite mana)
And 1 land. This'll let you fit the above mana rocks in.
Swap Torrential Gearhulk for Mission Briefing .
Swap out Murderous Cut for Toxic Deluge , Voidmage Husher for Stifle (the latter isn't reusable but it's 25% of the mana, which is huge). Fire Covenant is better at a lot of tables than Hero's Downfall, I'd make that swap. Curtain's Call could probably just be cut for something, anything, else.
I recommend putting Notion Thief into the deck, alongside Wheel of Fortune , Windfall , and possibly Winds of Change . Drawing 20+ cards in one turn all the while forcing your opponents down to 0 cards is hilariously useful, and each of the cards mentioned are reasonably good on their own. Cutting Reforge the Soul, and probably 2 of your worst extra turn/X spells might be valuable, here. Stunt Double could also be cut if you need the space but don't want to drop anything else.
Now, the most important thing about these cards is being able to find them! So, I recommend adding:
Lim-Dul's Vault , Fabricate , Merchant Scroll (finds Dramatic Reversal), Reshape (this one is hit or miss sometimes, but it can be very beneficial to find your Scepter or a mana rock capable of supporting Scepter), Tainted Pact (this deck is perfect for Pact; if you have Reversal and an X spell in your hand, it gets you Scepter. This would be a little better if you were using Vial Smasher/Thrasios since you wouldn't need an infinite mana outlet in hand to use it, but still, it's very, very strong). Frantic Search is free card filtering, and Muddle the Mixture can find anything 2 mana or function as a counter spell if you need it. The flexibility is worth the higher cost to tutor. I, at least, recommend Lim-Dul's Vault, Muddle the Mixture, and Frantic Search. Merchant Scroll would also be very nice.
Okay, so that's a bunch of changes, but you should notice a pretty sizable reduction in mana costs across the board, and some pet cards are still left in (copious extra turn spells, Mind's Dilation, etc.) that could probably be up for review at a later date. You should be able to reach 5 mana on turn 3/4, pop an extra turn spell or two, and then assemble an infinite mana combo to win. If you're wanting to go cEDH though, let me know, and I'll show you some things for Grixis Storm.
2 days ago
Wow, dude. You might be the very first person I've advised to remove lands from their deck. 42 is plenty, even for a big creature deck with Exploration and Burgeoning. Add in a little more early ramp in those spots. Sakura-Tribe Elder and Farseek come to mind. T
he other thing to keep in mind if you're new to commander is that 99-card singleton vs 60-card decks with 4 copies of staple cards behave very differently. You're only 50/50 to draw two creatures in the first 6 turns. Foster and Heirloom Blade might be good, in addition to a few more leviathans. Deep-Sea Kraken is a great early drop that should be out with haste by turn 5. Mesmerizing Benthid and Elder Deep-Fiend are octopi that can slow down opponents. Tromokratis is just a pain for any deck running utility creatures. Nimbus Swimmer can get hilariously large with your ramp package.
I think the counterspells that untap lands are clever, for sure. I might also consider Frantic Search for the same reason. If you really want to double down on the flash subtheme, then Leyline of Anticipation and/or Vedalken Orrery are good. Although, if you want to remove Simic Signet , as well, having very few artifacts or enchantments (that don't win on the spot, anyway), means that Bane of Progress and Wave of Vitriol are both pretty great.
Cyclonic Rift is just a straight-up staple, so make that a stretch card when you want to put more into the deck. As for tribal stuff, this might be a stretch on your budget, but Herald's Horn and Urza's Incubator are where it's at.
Bounty of the Luxa hasn't been all it was hyped up to be when it first came out. I'm not a fan of Foil , since the part of the game when you've got 4 mana but don't have extra untapped lands is pretty narrow.
Beyond that, I would check out the sea-creature tribal EDHREC page for Arixmethes. Looks like about 30 people have built decks under that theme, which is lower than I expected, although the decks from the main page might be built as such but not labeled. There's also a quirk of tribes with high CMC and low numbers tend to not meet the EDHREC critera for the site's algorithm automatically labelling it as a tribal deck.
2 days ago
Baral, Chief of Compliance . The first ability is a redundant with Mizzix. Could be worth it if you wanna be that guy who runs loads of counters.
Enigma Drake . Bit of a non-bo if you start exiling your graveyard spells.
3 days ago
Hey, saw your forum topic asking for help. Nice budget deck :) What is the max budget amount?
Budget cards ($4 or less each) to consider adding:
- Shivan Reef
- Wandering Fumarole
- Desolate Lighthouse
- High Tide
- Frantic Search
- Mystic Remora
- Long-Term Plans
- Merchant Scroll
- Pull from Tomorrow
- Blue Sun's Zenith
- Dig Through Time
- Chaos Warp
- Reality Shift
- Mission Briefing
- Mind Stone
- Commander's Sphere
- Wizard's Retort
- Comet Storm
Cards to consider cutting:
- 1x Mountain
- Izzet Guildgate
- Highland Land
- Chemister's Insight
- Deep Analysis
- Lightning Strike
- Erratic Cyclops
- Crackling Drake
- Enigma Drake
- Wee Dragonauts
- Spellheart Chimera
- Beacon Bolt
- Corrupted Grafstone
- Vessel of Endless Rest
If you would like I offer more help. Good luck with your deck.
4 days ago
@SynergyBuild: Well, how I do my share of Bumping is O.V. the Top, so we're even. Alright, maybe Predict should be out of the Question; the Primer above posted on March 14th stated stuff like Unearth , & even Reanimate are both trash. So at least we have 3 pieces we can confirm are not truly needed.
I mentioned the combo as a joke combo, even though , , & even will never get their "Planarshifted-Styled" variant on Doomsday ; but just imagine what the name for the mono-color variants outside of the original: = (I can't think of one right now... X/) = (I still dunno...X/) (I'm thinking of some kind of name for either that's one word, but is like a Doomsday situation, but in those colors.)
That said, I think I might have my package settled for this case...
Frantic Search , Gush (Or something...), Pact of Negation , Laboratory Maniac , & Gitaxian Probe . If I had a challenge for card creation, it's simple, make a "Functional" version of Doomsday for all but mono colors but . Do you thin this can work? I added Pact as a protective element. In case you wanted to know...
4 days ago
BUMP ME A TRUE ANCESTOR, NOT A FEMALE SABER UNIT THAT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE EACH OTHER, & IS GOOD!
Frantic Search , Gush ? (Still unsure), Laboratory Maniac , Gitaxian Probe . Still need 1.5 other cards though, but how would you implement Predict in this combo? I'm also trying a parody on this for fun.
1 week ago
@SynergyBuild: Sorry. My nostalgia for an amazing game of yore got the best of me. Please disregard.
Anyways, I wanted to add a new level of restriction for whatever means necessary when having your Doomsday Package exiled. My above post stated three primary ways to lost this; so recursion like Unearth , & Reanimate are all out. I already have the Primer up there, as well as making my own for Superfriends; though I dunno how to hardcode this as well as the one above. As I stated earlier:
Then again, for laughs, I wanted to also include a only Doomsday Package, but that's for another time.
But as I'm also making a Primer, I'd like to ask someone how to do it in a way the one above does this... I, mean, I'm thinking of a 1-5 Star Rating system as well...
1 week ago
Recently I have tried using Summoner's Pact instead of manglehorn for additional speed. The risk of killing myself if I use it early and get stopped had previously kept me from using this card but maybe my meta could use more speed instead of more hate.
Also debating a swap of Wheel of Fortune and Frantic Search . Maybe then also Fyndhorn Elves for Wild Growth ? Utopia Sprawl might be too unreliable because it requires a forest but actually I do have quite a lot of forests.
The slots for mindcensor, manglehorn, energy flux and how many of these cards I play are details but hard meta choices for me. I'm really not sure what is worst against the decks I will have to fear most in our tournaments.
Frantic Search occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.07%
U/R (Izzet): 0.79%
U/B/R (Grixis): 0.69%