|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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|Magic Game Night (GNT)||Common|
|Core Set 2019 (M19)||Common|
|Iconic Masters (IMA)||Common|
|Conspiracy: Take the Crown (CN2)||Common|
|Shadows over Innistrad (SOI)||Common|
|Dragons of Tarkir (DTK)||Common|
|Khans of Tarkir (KTK)||Common|
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Tormenting Voice Discussion
1 week ago
Whelming Wave is a cheap board wipe but was just a few cents too expensive to replace aetherize.
Counterspells can be easily customized to hit creatures, instants or noncreatures within the budget. Choose what you want for your meta.
As for draw spells, Tormenting Voice is probably better than Whirlpool Rider against non-blue decks. Treasure Cruise is also within budget but needs an enabler. Anticipate is also cheap but I initially cut it in favour of the whirlpools based on the reasoning that they can draw you into anything if you have the combo set up (infinite mana means infinite displaces on archaeomancer+any other creature).
One final word on finishers, fireball has the same problem as grapeshot. They are sorceries. I would recommend switching it with Fall of the Titans or with Volcanic Geyser . Fireball is iconic but it sadly is not as good as other budget replacements.
1 week ago
Just a heads up, I'd replace your Mountains with Snow-Covered Mountain s because Extraplanar Lens doubles mana of ALL lands named. More than likely no one at the table will have snow lands so... Plus this gives your access to Scrying Sheets which is something this deck greatly needs, card advantage. Also I REALLY, REALLY think you should be playing Sarkhan, Fireblood and Sarkhan's Unsealing they are WAY too good for this deck.
Here's some card suggestions!
- Chandra, Torch of Defiance
- Staff of Nin
- Mind's Eye
- Wheel of Fortune
- Sensei's Divining Top
- Faithless Looting
- Tormenting Voice
- Cathartic Reunion
- Solemn Simulacrum
- Sin Prodder
- Hedron Archive
- Treasure Map Flip
- The Immortal Sun
- Experimental Frenzy
- Endless Atlas
- Coveted Jewel
Here are some cut suggestions:
- Fledgling Dragon: For four mana you could play Moltensteel Dragon or Territorial Hellkite both of which are more value in my opinion
- Emblem of the warmind: As stated previously it's too easy to deal with.
- Farsight mask: Mind's Eye is strictly better, and you don't want to get hit in the face in order to draw a card.
- Kindred charge: This is PURELY a wind more card in dragons. By the time you cast this, because you'll hold it trying to maximize the copies, you'll be doing massive damage ANYWAY.
- Ancient hellkite: A lot of mana for a meh dragon when this could be a Steel Hellkite , Kilnmouth Dragon , Skyline Despot , or a Demanding Dragon
- Archwing dragon: If you are going to dedicate paying four mana to a dragon every turn, just play Dragon Tyrant
- Slumbering dragon: I like this card idealy... but if we are being honest... This card is NEVER going to wake up, no one is going to let an 8/8 dragon sit on the table for 5 turns.
- Zirilan of the claw: It's good... but you have to exile your creatures... and that's not good for you.
1 week ago
Potential Adds: Artisan of Kozilek , Sheoldred, Whispering One , Ever After , Cauldron Dance , Unburial Rites , Infernal Offering , Fearsome Awakening , Dawn of the Dead , Whip of Erebos , Apprentice Necromancer , Life / Death , Sidisi, Brood Tyrant , Liliana Vess , Tasigur, the Golden Fang , Tormenting Voice , Karador, Ghost Chieftain , The Mimeoplasm , Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip, Sedris, the Traitor King , Taigam, Sidisi's Hand , Underrealm Lich , Victimize , Sylvan Safekeeper , Realms Uncharted , Reanimate ,
Definitely put in this: Solemn Simulacrum
1 week ago
2 weeks ago
Thanks for the comment. Good stuff.
You're right, the deck tries to benefit of both the madnes effect and vampire's synergies. I agree, there are not many creatures with madness in the deck. On the first glance. Falkenrath Gorger is key here. He gives all vampires (100% of creatures in the deck) madness even though it is at normal cost. In combination with card drawing cards, like Tormenting Voice , Asylum Visitor or Risk Factor you keep your hand healthy and you keep up the paste since the mana curve is extremely left skewed.
It is a stretch to have those topics combined in one deck. You definitely have to forego some of the cards you mention just because you don't have enough space or the overall synergies are too low. Originally, the third theme of the deck was a creature destroy/hand control component encircled around Liliana of the Veil , but she is crazy expensive. The theme is still active though.
I really like your suggestion Fiery Temper . It is basically a Lightning Bolt . Heir of Falkenrath Flip is definitely a card I must add. Same with Bloodhall Priest and Drana. I will kick out Olivia, Mobilized for War in return.
Perhaps, the overall combination is better suited in a Commander deck – what do you think?
3 weeks ago
After further testing I dropped to 18 lands then pulled Torch Courier and added Warlord's Fury , 4 for 4. This seemed to stabilize the curve a bit. Still flooding out sometimes but not nearly as often. Adding Fury helps stuff get through and lets me draw into something better. You're probably not running into this problem with FoK but I'm trying to work with what I have.
I'm going to keep running Goblin Gathering as it pairs well with Risk Factor and Tormenting Voice . Being able to land 5 creatures for 3 mana is pretty nice. Only did that once so far but it cause my opponent to give up. Have you tried Risk Factor with FoK? Seems like a good way to burn 8 or draw into more Cavalcades.
3 weeks ago
Ran this on MTGA and loved it. Didn't have FoK so I ran 2x Tormenting Voice and 2x Risk Factor . Also subbed Spear Spewer for Skewer the Critics and ran 20 lands. All that said, I won A LOT of games sometimes, by turn 4. My issues where with control and midrange. Kept flooding out or not hitting the combo pieces. Feels like it could use even more card draw and less lands. All in all, this is the kind of deck I love - good, cheap and quick! +1 (and if could +10)
3 weeks ago
If you're going to build a deck as cheap as $30, you're probably going to have to lean on a theme to make it functional. That can be supplemented with the fact that even mediocre demons and devils are good at not being coin-flipped away, but stuff like Dance with Devils wasn't even playable in Limited.
I see some reanimator stuff going on, so if you go that route, Torrent of Souls , Zombify , and Profane Command are all solid budget options. You'll want some graveyard stocking power to go with it. Mindwrack Demon , Extractor Demon , Archfiend of Ifnir , pull double duty. Cathartic Reunion , Dark Deal , Faithless Looting , Hazoret's Monument , Khorvath's Fury , Collective Defiance , Shattered Perception , and Tormenting Voice all fit the bill.
Also, Flayer of the Hatebound could power a nice subtheme with your reanimation, and you can stock up on cheap Undying creatures like Demonlord of Ashmouth , Hound of Griselbrand , and Pyreheart Wolf to lower your budget and synergize with Rakdos. Charmbreaker Devils could also be a house once you stock the yard.
Also, maybe improve general card quality by splurging on Bloodgift Demon and Demon of Wailing Agonies ? Demon's Horn , Carnage Altar , Rakdos Riteknife , Devils' Playground , Dance with Devils , Consume the Meek , and Rite of Belzenlok , Archdemon of Greed , Temple of the False God , Tomb of Urami , and Kindly Stranger Flip are all pretty bad. Akoum Refuge and Bloodfell Caves seem like easy adds, as well.
Tormenting Voice occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.12%
RG (Gruul): 0.09%
RBW (Mardu): 0.07%
All decks: 0.28%
All decks: 0.2%