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As an additional cost to cast Tormenting Voice, discard a card.
Draw two cards.
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Tormenting Voice Discussion
21 hours ago
Love the Izzet aggro! I went a slightly different route, and really like the idea of using cantrip pump spells. Instead of burn spells, I use things like Borrowed Hostility and Rush of Adrenaline to pump them AND get prowess. I also really like Uncaged Fury as a finisher. Also, I think Anticipate is a better choice over Tormenting Voice.
Overall, great deck! +1 from me :)
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2 days ago
So your central combo is on the curve and looks fun, but I'm not sure your taking the best advantage of it. For starters you want to have Soul Warden or Essence Warden as a 1 drop in this deck, either would be a better choice than Altar of the Brood as you really aren't setup to win via mill before you can win with damage.
Bramblesnap needs you to tap your tokens, where as Kruin Striker grows just because you activated the combo, except you want to be running 4x of them (this is true even if you keep Bramblesnap) so cut 2x Stoke the Flames so you can.
Stonybrook Schoolmaster doesn't do enough in this deck, but Champion of Lambholt would be great, easily rendering your tokens unblockable, but again ideally you want to run 3x so cut the last Stoke the Flames too.
Lastly, I'm fairly sure this deck could be built as essentially 2 colour either (use red draw like Tormenting Voice and Faithless Looting) or (with a red splash for Elemental Mastery) which might make the mana fixing a bit easier for you.
2 days ago
Hey friend! First small suggestion: it's generally more helpful to see card types first, so I'd suggest making your default order by type (looks like you have it by set).
Next, I'd highly recommend cutting the cards in your deck to 60. The reason for this is that it makes you more likely to draw your best cards (a max of 4/60 chance rather than 4/71). Usually, 24 lands and 36 non-lands is a good ratio (you have 23, which means you really need to cut spells or otherwise you'll never draw enough lands). In order to get there, I'd initially cut out every card that doesn't achieve your stated goal of -1/-1 counters. It appears that Archfiend of Ifnir is crucial to your strategy, so I'd also keep everything with cycling at first. Sadly, that means Landfall and your Allies will have to go -- maybe you can build a second deck focused on them, but decks succeed the most when they are tightly focused on a single mechanic. Also, cards that have only been printed in Conspiracy (like Capital Punishment and Pyrokinesis) are illegal in Modern, so put them in your EDH/Commander deck instead.
Then, strategically add extra copies of the cards you've already got that oil your deck's engines. Archfiend of Ifnir is so important to your strategy that you'll want 3-4, for example. So is Liliana's Influence. However, you will still likely be below 60 cards if you really did cut everything extraneous, so now you get to the fun part where you get to add cards.
Prioritize adding cards that support -1/-1 counters and discarding. I'd put it 4 Tormenting Voice, as well as Fiery Temper, Alms of the Vein, Hazoret the Fervent, Ruthless Sniper, and anything with the Wither keyword (use the advanced card search on T/O to find those!). Cycling, as I've noted, also synergizes really well with what you've got so far.
I hope this helps prep you for a tourney! Of course, the best advice I can give is to play lots of games, and pursue improvement! Best of luck, and mention me (same way you mention a card, by putting my username in double square brackets) if I can do anything else to help! Cheers.
2 days ago
Hey friend. I've got a deck very similar to this one, and I can't recommend Alms of the Vein highly enough. 6 life swing is nothing to sneeze at. I'd also recommend Tormenting Voice in the SB if you find yourself needing fuel (like if your opponent boardwipes).
4 days ago
Splashing B really increases your available card pool. Cut / Ribbons and Bone Picker are both very good in a burn/tempo deck. You also get to run Alms of the Vein which is another huge burn spell for B and helps against aggro. Incendiary Flow is good. Collective Defiance is removal, burn, and a madness enabler/hand reset. I would also recommend against running more than 2 Bedlam Reveler since they are awful in multiples and can be hard to cast if you say, draw 2 of them and not enough spells. 15 creatures is too many to have Reveler be consistent. Thermo-Alchemist is insane in a burn deck.
-Add B, since it improves the deck whether you're going aggro or burn. It doesn't have to be a big splash, but a lot of good aggro creatures are black (Scrapheap Scrounger and Dread Wanderer), and you get good removal (Unlicensed Disintegration alongside Scrounger or Fatal Push) and sideboard options (Lay Bare the Heart is big right now).
-Decide whether you want to play creature aggro or burn. Bedlam Reveler doesn't really go in the creature version. Bomat Courier, Dread Wanderer, and Scrapheap Scrounger are pretty well set in the aggro version, along with 1-2 Glorybringer and/or 2-3 Hazoret the Fervent as top-end. The 2 and 3 drops are less set; I've seen Forerunner of Slaughter, Pia Nalaar and Weldfast Engineer, or Bloodrage Brawler if you're doing madness. You can also go a stronger artifact theme with Inventor's Apprentice if you have any Heart of Kiran. For the burn version, you want to cut most of the creatures except for 1-2 Bedlam Reveler and 4 Thermo-Alchemist. Bone Picker and Glorybringer also fit if preferred, but ideally the creature count is 8 or less. Goblin Dark-Dwellers is also pretty good if you tailor your spells so it can cast most of them. For spells, 4 Alms of the Vein and 4 Fiery Temper, 3-4 Lightning Axe, 2-3 Collective Defiance, 2 Cut / Ribbons, and either a 2-4 or a 3-3 split between Tormenting Voice and Cathartic Reunion, keeping in mind that Reunion is stronger, but harder to cast in general and much worse against control (since they can counter after you pay the discard cost - sweet 3 for 1). Incendiary Flow is a good card if you want another versatile early burn spell. You also need some number of sweepers. I prefer 2-damage sweepers here like Kozilek's Return or Flaying Tendrils since 3-damage sweepers take out Thermo-Alchemist, even though Sweltering Suns is pretty cool. Chandra, Torch of Defiance is pretty perfect in burn if you have it. You can also go a neat energy variant that runs Harnessed Lightning for removal, Aether Hubs, and 4 Gonti's Machinations. This gives you more survivability against aggro and another 1-cmc 3 damage effect. Not sure how inserting the energy subtheme affects the card totals.
-I don't think you want more than one Insult / Injury, if any. Injury is pretty expensive at 3 mana considering it does nothing without either another burn spell to follow up (hard to do before turn 5-6) or creatures on the field. The card doesn't seem great in aggro either since it's mostly just discard fodder. Injury is expensive for a sorcery burn spell.
-Soul-Scar Mage is fun, but doesn't really go in burn since he encourages you to burn creatures rather than your opponent. I feel like it might make sense as a sideboard card against big creature decks if you plan to try removing their creatures, but it's usually just better to have a fast burn clock against midrange.
This is mostly academic. The best burn deck in standard right now is U/R, but you basically need 4 Torrential Gearhulk (expensive!) and the deck is incredibly soft to Dispossess. You can also always make a U/R or Temur Turbo-Drake deck that just cycles and dumps most of your deck into the grave while casting fogs until you stick an Enigma Drake and Fling it at your opponent's face. The ability to do 50+ damage in a turn is pretty foul.
4 days ago
I'm not sold on Archfiend of Ifnir at all; turn-5 is way too late to initiate a removal plan let alone a removal plan that uses -1/-1 counters which rely on having both a healthy hand AND a discard outlet in play. Ruthless Sniper has a similar removal ability, but dependence on TWO other factors, being a full hand AND a discard outlet, makes me want to forget the concept all together. With your curve and lack of true card advantage spells, by turn-5, even with a discard outlet, you probably won't have enough of a hand to take care of any opposing threats.
I like Cryptbreaker a lot, but his janky token generation and ability cost seems too slow. Playing him turn-1 seems good, but then you give up tempo to make a 2/2 dude that just dies to all of the best removal in Standard right now. Insolent Neonate has more synergistic tempo with your deck, Gnarlwood Dryad is like a poor-man's Standard Tarmogoyf fitting well with your discard theme, and Sanitarium Skeleton provides a stupid amount of utility as discard fodder or chump blocker. I would also consider playing around with other synergistic 1-drops like Groundskeeper (potentially bonkers with these cycle lands) and Bomat Courier (has synergy with Shadow of the Grave as well as just fits with your theme).
My only other real reservation is Tormenting Voice, especially as a 4-of. It isn't card advantage, requires something like Flameblade Adept on the field to get the most value out of it, and 'dat sorcery speed... I think that with some tweaks and additions instant speed card advantage is much better. If you get a dude like Sanitarium Skeleton in here consider Altar's Reap or Merciless Resolve. Succumb to Temptation is also an option AND, considering you're running 3 colors, look at Painful Truths.
The winning combo, or synergy really, is a full hand holding Shadow of the Grave with a Noose Constrictor on the field ready to attack. Swing with the snake, discard 7 for +7/+7, play SotG, then discard 7 again for +14/+14 total potentially put your opponent at 4 life by turn 3. Having Flameblade Adept out is even better for you.
+8 1-2 CMC Synergistic Dudes+4 Pure Draw Spells
4 days ago
I think this deck needs 24 or 25 lands. You need to be able to hit your first 4 or 5 land drops in order to get any use from your 1 drops. You also have some flood insurance in the form of Tormenting Voice and Bloodrage Brawler, so you can just throw away any land you don't need. Possible cuts might be Prey Upon.
5 days ago
I don't know if that combo will be reliable enough, but I am certain you will get it at least a few times.