Karn's Temporal Sundering
(You may cast a legendary sorcery only if you control a legendary creature or planeswalker.)
Target player takes an extra turn after this one. Return up to one target nonland permanent to its owner's hand. Exile Karn's Temporal Sundering.
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Karn's Temporal Sundering occurrence in decks from the last year
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Karn's Temporal Sundering Discussion
2 weeks ago
Turn 3 infinite mana + infinite turns.
1 month ago
1 month ago
Things I'd cut: Frost Marsh just a tap land, not worth it
Spire of Industry not enough artifact to turn it on early and you don't really need it late
Diabolic Tutor too slow, you'll be drawing so many cards anyway
Karn's Temporal Sundering also slow and expensive, you'd need upwards of 10 mana to make this thing worth it
Folio of Fancies nonbo with much of the discard stuff, and mill is not the way this deck wins so why let your opponents keep extra cards?
Exquisite Blood same deal, you don't really need lifegain and at 5 mana youd rather play nek himself
Psychosis Crawler this one's a hot take, but in a deck dedicated to making your opponents draw, he is looking for the opposite. Also 5 mana is neks spot.
Niv-Mizzet, Parun casting cost is fucking rough, but this is a maybe cuz he is really strong
Psychic Corrosion same deal as folio about this not being a mill deck
Sangromancer you don't need much life gain
Spark Double not sure what you're copying, an extra nek is nice but doesn't seem like that huge of a difference, nothing else seems worth it.
Torbran, Thane of Red Fell triple red is tough and he doesn't really change the clock that much. This is more a matter of preference though
Mission Briefing you're almost certainly using this for a wheel but why not just run another wheel and not have to pay an extra UU?
Before I say what I'd add specifically, in general I think you need a little more speed, a few more lands and a lot more interaction. 2 counters, 2 spot removal, and 3 board wipes does not feel like enough, especially for a relatvely slow deck that doesn't combo out. I would add a mix of 4-5 spot removal and counter spells and 4 more lands before even looking at any of the cards below.
Cards I would add:
Another land or two in addition to the above. Your commander is 5 mana after all and your average CMC is over 3. Average CMC times 10 or 11 is my baseline for lands
Curiosity stellar, cheap card draw
Nightscape Familiar effectively a mana dork, helps with the speed
Whirlpool Warrior another wheel
Archfiend of Ifnir pet card, turns wheels into board wipes
Vision Skeins fun card, works perfectly with your strategy
1 month ago
Wait, it says a "player", not an "opponent".
2 months ago
Glad to help, I also made an izzet (blue/red) deck recently that focused on cheating things out so here's a good blue cards I think you could use, Diluvian Primordial. I also know this is a budget deck and extra turn cards are expensive, but extra turns mean extra combats, so here is the cheapest price wise odd CMC extra turn card, Temporal Trespass, and for cheap but not odd CMC there's, Part the Waterveil, Karn's Temporal Sundering, and Timestream Navigator. There all over a dollar but they're cool. Also it's a really cool deck and now I'm thinking about making a deck with Yennett, Cryptic Sovereign.
4 months ago
5 months ago
Misc: Etali, Primal Storm, Bloodbraid Elf, Rashmi, Eternities Crafter, Coiling Oracle, Shardless Agent, Kess, Dissident Mage, Spark Double, Beast Within, Terminate, Nature's Claim, Electrodominance, In Garruk's Wake, Karn's Temporal Sundering, Unexpected Results, Casualties of War, Deny Reality
I would also recommend a little more ramp, because you are going to have to cast the big things as soon as possible.
5 months ago
Nice list. I'm not sure if you have a budget for this list but it looks like a budget deck to me so I won't suggest anything I think is expensive. Maybe you could fit some extra turn spells into the list. I like to run Karn's Temporal Sundering and Part the Waterveil. They are budget options and if you can copy them with Ral or something you can have some explosive turns. You might want to add some more mana rocks if you have them laying around. Niv Mizzet mana cost is pretty intense, I find that the rocks that make colorless mana with this commander can be rough. Izzet Signet, Wayfarer's Bauble, Fire Diamond and Sky Diamond are all pretty nice rocks that aren't too expensive but I would understand if you couldn't get your hands on them. Burnished Hart is a pretty nice creature that you might be able to slot in. The only other suggestions I would make are for if you ever plan on upgrading it. I would upgrade Repeated Reverberation or Doublecast for Reverberation. It's the instant version of doublecast and you can cast it on opponents' spells as well. I really like Leyline of Anticipation with Niv. It can make everything you play so versatile. Even if you don't plan on upgrading it or adding anthing i suggested, this deck will probably be a lot of fun. I love my Niv Mizzet deck so I'm sure you will have fun playing yours.