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|Commander 2019 (C19)||Uncommon|
|Guilds of Ravnica: Guild Kit (GK1)||Common|
|Commander 2018 (C18)||Uncommon|
|Iconic Masters (IMA)||Uncommon|
|Commander 2017 (C17)||Uncommon|
|Commander 2016 (C16)||Uncommon|
|Commander 2015 (C15)||Common|
|Modern Masters 2015 Edition (MM2)||Uncommon|
|Commander 2013 (C13)||Common|
|Duel Decks: Izzet vs. Golgari (DDJ)||Common|
|MTG: Commander (CMD)||Common|
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Izzet Boilerworks enters the battlefield tapped.
When Izzet Boilerworks enters the battlefield, return a land you control to its owner's hand.
: Gain .
Izzet Boilerworks Discussion
1 week ago
Love the match-up. I run TYS Kess as well, and it can run super smooth. I have a few quality of life upgrades I can recommend, but ultimately everything has to come down to what works best in your local meta.
For starters, I would reduce the land count by about 3-5. Particularly, I would cut Nykthos and then a combo of islands and/or swamps. Devotion works well in mono to two color decks, but TYS relies on you pulling spells more than lands or permanents, so you won't get as much value out of it here. Instead, I'd recommend Temple of the False God . Most times, you can get it online fairly regularly and having one land that taps for 2 colorless is pretty dope. I'd also recommend either the Dimir Aqueduct or Izzet Boilerworks . Karoo lands may set you back just a bit, but you want as much value as you can get out of it. Ultimately, I'd say drop back to 34 lands, and add Temple and a Karoo land of your preference into that mix.
Next, you have a decent creature-base, but I would tweak and trim that a little bit as well. I'd sub out Hypersonic Dragon for Backdraft Hellkite and remove Crypt Ghast and Consecrated Sphinx . All of those are solid choices in most cases, but Ghast hits the same issue that Nykthos does. Hypersonic is decent for value, but opening your graveyard further with Backdraft so you're not limited to just 1 card per turn is huge on your storm turn. Lastly, Sphinx is an absolute monster of a card, but it might come out a little too late to really get you ahead. I'd add a Mystic Remora , but that's personal preference. Honestly, Sphinx could go either way depending on your meta.
As for Instants, I'd sub out Boomerang for Chain of Vapor , Counterflux for Flusterstorm , Countersquall for Negate , Dissipate for Swan Song , Reverberate for Increasing Vengeance , Rewind for Muddle the Mixture , and Undermine for Disallow . My reasoning for Chain is that most people won't sacrifice a land to copy it, and if you really need to save something, you can do it to yourself, sac a land, and then bounce someone else's permanent. Not to mention, it's a good way to keep something heavy off the board if they use a ritual to sneak a threat in early. As for the counterspells, some of them in there seem a little narrow compared to the ones you had (i.e. they target specific card types), but the most threatening things you'll deal with on your main storm turn are instants and cards with flash, so conditional counters work as good defense for off-turn threats. Also, Muddle the Mixture is a great tutor if you have a lot of 2 CMC cards, because it will fetch you any of them for just 3 mana. It also doubles as a counterspell sometimes. For Increasing Vengeance , I always recommend this over other red copy spells because it gets so much more value out of the graveyard, even more so if you cast it with Kess. Instead of having to pay the flashback, you play its normal CMC and get a double-copy for the price of one (not to mention its interaction with TYS).
Artifacts, I'd swap Manalith and Vedalken Orrery for Talisman of Dominance and Talisman of Creativity . Extra mana rocks will help you get around land destruction, and provide you extra mana acceleration earlier. They also don't require you to filter mana the same way the signets do, but in exchange they do hurt.
I'd see if you can fit a Narset, Parter of Veils in place of Liliana. She works wonders for digging purposes, and totally shuts down everyone else's draw.
Lastly, for sorceries, I'd remove Barter in Blood , Decree of Pain , Fabricate , and Mana Geyser . In their place, I'd put Anger of the Gods , Cabal Ritual , Entomb , and Desperate Ritual . Anger absolutely nukes graveyard value, and if you hit it off storm it only gets stronger. Cabal Ritual works as a much more efficient black ritual once you hit threshold, which you should hit fairly quickly if you're cantripping and looting often. Entomb is just as good as tutoring to hand with Kess because if you're looking for a spell, just pitch it and cast it without conditions.
Wow, that was a lot longer than I expected. For some final additions, I'd recommend Red Elemental Blast / Pyroblast , Narset's Reversal , Arcane Denial , and Fire Covenant . REB/Pyro works as a good defender on storm turn and can remove a pesky blue permanent that's complicating your life. Narset's Reversal is excellent at protecting your own spells from counters, providing you extra iterations of those spells if you have excess mana, and copying particularly useful spells from other players if you don't want to be effected by them. Arcane Denial is an excellent cheap counter that, though it draws you and an opponent cards, works as a decent political tool and can buy you an extra turn when you're storming off. Lastly, Fire Covenant is a great targeted wipe spell. If you put enough life in it, you can take out just about any number of creatures that are giving you headaches without losing your own in the process.
Overall, I see a lot of potential in the deck and think it could be super smooth with a few changes. The biggest enemy in EDH is inconsistency, so you have to fight that harder than most of your opponents. Also, life is a resource too. Starting at 40 makes it really easy to pay life into spells. I hope this almost dictionary of changes helps, and I look forward to seeing it progress!
3 months ago
3 months ago
Izzet Boilerworks seems bad here, even for a budget build. Especially since you have a bunch of other ETB tapped lands. This would be better off as almost any other land.
3 months ago
I would add the cheap dual lands for your colors if they are under 0.50. Swiftwater Cliffs , Izzet Guildgate , Highland Lake , and Izzet Boilerworks can probably all be found for that price range this will make your mana base a little better so you can reliably have some of the colors when you need them.
6 months ago
Thanks for the info, as I said I am grateful for any help people can give. I will try and get the cards you mentioned and add them, I have another Niv-Mizzet, Parun on its way to me so will get that up to three like you said. Thanks for the tip on Izzet Boilerworks I guess I should replace that with another Sulfur Falls
6 months ago
Firstly if you plan to build your deck around a single card have 3 them in it. Even with the amount of cards search you have, it still makes it far safer. Also I think adding more Sinister Sabotage instead of No Escape as at 3 mana you usually want the versatility of "counter target spell". Also I'd take a look at your 1 or 2 off's and see if maybe you can take some of them out and instead increase the amount of some other cards. People often make the mistake of filling their deck with 1 off's which usually leads to a very unpredictable and chaotic hand(which isn't what you usually want). Although I am not saying remove all 1 off's, they can still be useful.
Also if you want to make a Standard legal deck the know that Izzet Boilerworks isn't standard legal
6 months ago
All of these cards work well when you are running basically just mountains, running blue splits their power, and using non basics reduces their effectiveness even further. Downhill Charge , Granite Grip , and Seismic Strike .
These cards are ok, but don’t really work with your primary concept. Titan's Strength I like this for the scry, and if it drew a card it’d be fine, but as a combat trick it’s pretty meh. Kavu Scout is at most a 2/2 for two in this deck. Kraken's Eye is pretty passive life gain, but it’s not going to win the game for you, and it is pretty unlikely to save you too (it does improve with some of the buy back spells I list later). The problem with Akroan Crusader is that if we cut the combat tricks this card becomes way weaker, and even with the tricks, it’s not got a high likelihood of having both at the same time. Why would we run that when we can run cards like Crackling Drake ?
Strider Harness is good, but it is over costed for what it does.
Whisk Away I’m not loving this card, it is alright. It’s just low bang for the buck.
As for some cards that might help things, the issue I see is that your plan has a lot of draw, and some control, but not a lot of ways to win. As it is your commander is basically the only way you have of making use of the draw, out side of trying to win with Jace. Winning with Jace is gonna be tough cause you have to draw him, and then mill through your deck, it is possible just hard. So most of the suggestions are cards that work well with casting a lot of draw spells, or removal. This makes your plan of drawing a lot of cards do something other than drawing a lot of cards. Just like your commander they are all going to do something when you draw, or cast a spell. Talrand, Sky Summoner , Saheeli, Sublime Artificer , Murmuring Mystic , Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind , Guttersnipe , and Psychosis Crawler are all great for your deck.
Swarm Intelligence is great for casting a lot of spells.
A thing that might happen is running out of gas. So cards that give repeated use like flashback and buy back are huge. They mean you’ll always have something to do, and offer more value because of your cards that trigger on spell cast, or card draw. Some good examples include Mystic Retrieval , Fanning the Flames , Whispers of the Muse , Shattering Pulse , and though it is a little bit more expensive Capsize which is incredibly powerful and super annoying for other people to deal with if they can’t outright counter it.
AEtherize is just a super good card for the deck.
Your deck should basically just draw a whole lot of cards, and having the mana to play them is super important. I’d likely look at increasing the number of mana rocks (artifacts that make mana) in there, and making sure that you’re never hurting for your second color. Some solid suggestions for that are Izzet Signet , Izzet Cluestone , Commander's Sphere , Izzet Boilerworks , Terramorphic Expanse , Desolate Lighthouse , and Memorial to Genius is just great for your draw plan.
6 months ago
You may play around Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis 's ability. Tatyova, Benthic Druid will give you extra card draw whenever you get a land on the field. Reliquary Tower is cheap now, and works wonders. You surely will have 5 lands on turn 4, so Temple of the False God is really good.
You should also consider Azorius Chancery , Boros Garrison , Gruul Turf , Selesnya Sanctuary , Simic Growth Chamber , Izzet Boilerworks . You play your untapped land for the turn normally, then play one of those with K&T's ability. You get ahead of mana since these lands tap for 2 mana.
I suggest removing Azorius Guildgate , Blossoming Sands , Boros Guildgate , Gruul Guildgate , Izzet Guildgate , Simic Guildgate , Tranquil Cove , Vivid Grove , Haunted Fengraf and Unstable Frontier for the lands above.
Do you want to see chaos happen? Hive Mind , Knowledge Pool , Thousand-Year Storm , Eye of the Storm , Shared Fate , Gate to the AEther , Possibility Storm , Ruhan of the Fomori , Perplexing Chimera , Dictate of the Twin Gods , Furnace of Rath , Gratuitous Violence , Mind's Dilation , Sunbird's Invocation .
Do you want to give more resources to them? Eladamri's Vineyard , Dictate of Karametra , Zhur-Taa Ancient , Heartbeat of Spring , Heartwood Storyteller , Intellectual Offering , Keeper of Progenitus , Well of Ideas , Rites of Flourishing , Ghirapur Orrery . Zendikar Resurgent and Mirari's Wake .
Izzet Boilerworks occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.09%
UR (Izzet): 1.89%
UBR (Grixis): 0.86%