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Desolate Lighthouse Discussion
6 days ago
Sinkies Thank you for your comment!
Actually because of the powerlevel of my playgroup I won't be able to take out the infinite combos if I want to stand a chance to win.
About your deck: You probably want most of the filter lands and pay lands, since you will want to cast some Eldrazis and they give colorless and fixing, maybe also things like Desolate Lighthouse!
Panharmonicon will help you to reuse the ETB effects of your big creatures (with Panharmonicon and Riku of Two Reflections in the battlefield something like Thought-Knot Seer can trigger 6 times, leaving 2 tokens). You might want to check out (if you don't already know them) Triumph of the Hordes and Guided Passage which can be a lot of fun if someone is willing to give you what you need!!!
About counters to protect your creatures i'd recommend things like Pyroblast for the enemmy counters and Cyclonic Rift's, Turn Aside and Intervene for the one target removals and Warping Wail for most areas and some flexibility. Also look for some ramp you can duplicate with Riku of Two Reflections, maybe Yavimaya Elder or Sakura-Tribe Elder.
Hope I was of any help, and good luck with your deck!! Will love to see it finished
1 week ago
I would replace the Fiery Impulse with Lightning Bolt. Desolate Lighthouse is better than Geier Reach Sanitarium. Lava Spike is also nice if your going the burn route.Remand is good with Fevered Visions as well.
3 weeks ago
Ophidian Eye is another curiosity but I don't know that I would include both since niv-mizzet is not the commander, don't want too much focus on him.
2 months ago
You're basically playing U/R Delver. Cut your creatures down to:
Then, switch a few of your spells around:
You also won't need so many lands. The ones you have are also kind of a problem because a lot of them always come into play tapped. Modern tends to have fewer turns than other formats, so you having lands that can never enter play untapped will lose you a lot of games. Any lands that do enter the battlefield tapped need to do something really good to warrant this. Therefore, I'd change:
-4x Swiftwater Cliffs
-4x Izzet Boilerworks
-0-1x Halimar Depths
+4x Wandering Fumarole OR Sulfur Falls OR Steam Vents OR Shivan Reef OR Spirebluff Canal
+1x Desolate Lighthouse
+1-2x Island (depending on if you cut Halimar Depths)
You have more blue cards than red in your deck, so you'll want to play more blue lands than red ones if you can't get a hold on any dual lands.
You may find Turn / Burn to be a bit heavy on the mana requirement. Consider replacing these with low-cost counter cards, such as Dispel, Negate, Spell Snare, Spell Pierce, Squelch, Chart a Course, or Remand. If you do cut Turn / Burn for one of these other cards, remember to cut another Mountain or two and replace them with Islands. Otherwise, you'll have too many games where you can't cast anything despite having 90,2183,989 bajillionzillion lands in play.
Lastly, you'll need a sideboard. These are the cards that are useful for your deck, but only against specific kinds of threats. You're allowed to swap cards in and out of your deck between games after the first in a match (tournaments are best 2-out-of-3).
An example sideboard would look like:
2x Mizzium Meddler (for Boggles)
1x Counterflux (stops control and midrange)
1x AEtherize (you'll want these against aggro decks and tokens)
These four just get moved to your sideboard from your main since you only want them in specific situations2x Abrade (vs. Affinity)
3x Ceremonious Rejection (vs. Tron, Affinity, and Eldrazi)
1x Dispel (vs. Burn and control decks)
1x Magma Spray (stops Kitchen Finks and Dredge)
3x Tormod's Crypt/Relic of Progenitus/Grafdigger's Cage (you bring these in against any graveyard bullshit shenanigans)
2x Spell Pierce
(These last three are for beating Control, Combo, and Midrange decks, along with Burn)
From here, you should have a decent deck to take to your local shop to play with, but there's still some things you'll need:
- Serum Visions is beast mode in Delver because it's one of the most consistent ways to flip Delver of Secrets Flip in Modern. They're a 4-of, but fluctuate between $2 and $8, depending on the market. They're pretty cheap right now due to being reprinted in Eternal Masters, but they've definitely been higher. You should be playing these over Peek and if they're within your budget right now, go get them.
- Snapcaster Mage is a card that cranks up the power level of your deck. End of your opponent's turn Lightning Bolt -> Snapcaster Mage -> Lightning Bolt -> untap -> attack has ended a lot of games in Modern.
- Scalding Tarn + Steam Vents will fix almost all of your mana problems. You can play off-color fetchlands as long as they're blue and you have Steam Vents (such as Flooded Strand). Not only can you save on your life total by fetching up basic lands, this also opens up the option for a 3rd. color or maindeck Blood Moons. Fetch lands also act as fuel for Grim Lavamancers and Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip.
- Speaking of which, Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip functions as the 5th. through 8th. copies of Snapcaster Mage. He can also be somewhat of a "budget" option, although he works best when you're playing both cards.
- Sword of Fire and Ice and the other swords in the cycle can go a long way. An Insectile Aberration is nothing to fuck around with. An Insectile Aberration with +2/+2 and protection from 2 different colors will end the game.
- You'll also want Remands (likely 2 or more) at some point, but it's not high on the priority of cards to get. They act like Time Walks when your opponent taps out to play something and misses a land drop. This buys you time to lay down the beats with your small critters.
- Ancestral Vision is also a solid pick. You're looking to stall the game out long enough to kill your opponent with 3/2s and 1/1s, why not refill your hand halfway through the game?
Hope this helps! I'm sure I'm missing something that experienced Delver players can recommend.
3 months ago
Cafelattis Thanks for your suggestions. Electrolyze is a very good sideboard card indeed. I should probably make a primer for this deck with some suggested upgrades/sideboard cards. Electrolyze would definitely go in there. Wandering Fumarole is also a decent land, though I didn't include it because I was trying to keep the land costs low and like you said it can screw up the mana curve. I feel pretty 'eh' on Desolate Lighthouse, with the budget three-colored manabase I don't think colorless lands are a good idea. You also don't fizzle too often with card draw in this deck, so I would rather play something to help with the Tron matchup like Ghost Quarter or Field of Ruin if I were to play any colorless lands at all.
3 months ago
You're already playing what's basically a Delver deck. You only need to make a few changes to have a pretty solid list. I'd change the following:
We need to cut some lands to improve the speed of the deck and lower the curve. Temple of Epiphany always comes into play tapped, so it's the most obvious candidate.
These just cost too much mana in comparison to some more efficient cards you could be using.
These don't help you fast enough and get nuked by every removal spell in the format, not to mention their mana cost.
These are good cards, but not necessarily stuff you want in excess. Mana Leak falls off after turn 3 or 4. Magma Spray is useful for dealing with Kitchen Finks, but 2 maindeck gets clunky when facing off midrange and control. As a side note, you may want to swap out Magma Spray completely for Pillar of Flame. You lose the ability to play it as an instant, but it means you can shoot planeswalkers or just burn people to death.
So what do we add?
You'll want multiple copies of each of these every game, so we should bump the number of each to 4.
+3x Young Pyromancer
This helps with the game plan of building up incremental value vs. your opponent's spells. Counter something? Get a 1/1. Draw a card? Get a 1/1. Unfortunately, Gitaxian Probe got banned, so this isn't a 4-of anymore like it was. Still, a really solid card.
This is probably stronger than Delver of Secrets as far as turn 1 plays go.
+4x Vapor Snag
Gets rid of big threats so you can counter them back on the way down. Alternatively, can be used to save one of your creatures from getting bamboozeled.
Really powerful to have in the main, whether it's protecting your creatures or stopping your opponent from killing you via Lightning Bolt. We don't want too many, however, because some decks it can be really clunky against.
As for your sideboard, I'd switch it around to look more like:
Hope this helps!
3 months ago
3 months ago
Happy to see you're still working on this deck. I've made a few significant edits from your list (mainly embracing Red a bit more) and I have a few card suggestions for you.
Anathemancer is a pick I made for my meta, and it hasn't ever been bad for me. Usually if I can reanimate him multiple times and Eminence him, his Unearth is great for finishing off the game.
Diabolic Servitude is a bit "out there", but it has been awesome for me. Its a great way to grab back tech creatures for more usage. Just make sure you don't grab back any majorly important creatures. It replaced a Beacon of Unrest for me, and I've liked it a lot better.
Herald’s Horn gives you practically free Eminence Triggers. It's not a mana rock, so it does nonbo with that Paradox Engine I put in to replace Intruder Alarm, but the draw chance and discount I find to be very worth it.
Devastation Tide over Evacuation because my mana rocks and enchantments are pretty cheap and I don't mind replaying them if I can bounce my opponents as well. I've gotten the Miracle once, and it pretty much won me the game on the spot.
Pulse of the Grid is a really underrated card, IMO. At worst it lets you bury a card and gives you a net zero, but if you're looking to rebuild your hand, this card quickly becomes a force.
And finally, even though I know you're building budget, nothing better than reanimating Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur, AKA the reason my friends hate this deck. Drawing 7 is no joke.
Here's a link to my decklist if you want to see the direction I took with it. Thanks again for giving me the foundation to what has become one of my favorite decks!