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Memory Lapse Discussion
22 minutes ago
There are so many ways to play with the colours Atraxa provides and I would say the whatever your plan is, the deck is best when you focus on exactly that strategy instead of doing a bit of this and that.
In our playgroup we have two Atraxa decks at the moment. One player has an infect deck, which means very fast aggro because infect kills with only 10 damage in a 40 life format. His plan is obviously getting a very fast start and dealing a good amount of damage with an infect creature (not necessarily lethal damage, but enough that a player can be killed with 2 or 3 proliferates later). This deck is running no fancy shit with counter meddling and other stuff that does not win the game. Earliest kill is turn 2 with a perfect hand, usually it's turn 3-5.
I play the other Atraxa deck here around and mine (Atraxa's super(un)friendly Stax) is basically creatureless. In my deck I focus on disabling most of what other decks would like to play. Humility, Pendrell Mists, Ensnaring Bridge, Moat, Tangle Wire, Nether Void, Land Equilibrium,...Atraxa's proliferate ability can be used well in this build, as it makes everything better than it already is, but I don't really need her to win. usually I win with planeswalkers (I only play those whose ultimate will really end the game or whose other abilities are really needed in the deck) or with the classic combo Helm of Obedience+Leyline of the Void. My only creatures are Academy Rector, Gilder Bairn, Deepglow Skate, Crystalline Crawler, Lodestone Golem, Trinket Mage, which are basically only additional tutors, powerful utility creatures or stax pieces. This deck doesn't win fast (in terms of making an opponent lose the game), but it can potentially lock down the game starting in turn 1 or 2 and then I have time to find my win options. It often wins by creating a hardlock under which only I can keep playing...you can concede then.
I personally think that slow creature based strategies are far too risky, unless they use a huge lot of disruption in order to deal with control and combo. Playing infect in commander certainly gives you an advantage because most decks are not equiped to play against aggro with only taking 10 damage in total. It's also a lot cheaper to build than a control version. You can focus on green and black and only splash the other two colours for very powerful spells and you don't necessarily need an expensive mana base for that. you would really have to focus on that though...90% infect creatures plus absolutely needed non-infect helpers, enough removal for everything that could shut down creatures/attacking and a lot of cheap or free pump spells.
As for the counterspells you currently use: I would say they are all too expensive. If you don't want to buy Mana Drain and Force of Will you should at least get Spell Pierce, Mana Leak, Arcane Denial, Disallow, Remand, Memory Lapse, maybe Swan Song, Daze, Twincast, Misdirection...reliably getting double blue in a four colour deck is hard enough so if you want to play counters you should choose those that cost only one coloured mana or can be cast for free. Those with double blue should be really worth their effect.
For speed I usually play the standard artifact package with: Sol Ring, Mana Crypt, Mana Vault, Grim Monolith, Chrome Mox, Mox Diamond, Mox Opal, Lotus Petal, Voltaic Key, Coalition Relic and the Mirrodin Talismans in the colours I need. In four colour decks Chromatic Lantern is also great. It always depends on your budget though how much artifact speed you can use...some of these are not among the cheapest cards. Btw I don't think doubling season will drop in price anytime soon. There won't be a reprint in a standard legal set so if it comes again it will be in a conspiracy or masters set, of which not so many are opened.
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Thank you JaysomeDecks! Explaining the stack exploit revealed new possibilities with Merieke. I will consider digging deeper into this mechanic and update the deck if it works. I'll try your suggestions and add following as well:
i have a hard time cutting cards. As for now i could/would drop those:
3 weeks ago
Wow, they really spiked. $3 a piece. That doesn't work. The 10 good ones I'll trade at the proper price. The rest I'll trade at $1 a piece. So that's ~$40. The 10 good ones for your Omniscience and Tezzeret the Seeker (Maybe figure something out for Muddle the Mixture, Memory Lapse and Fellwar Stone?)
3 weeks ago
Hey, free our current trade finishes up, I have 20 SC Mountains. Some are heavily played, but there's at least ten that are in great condition. I could do all of them for your Tezzeret the Seeker , Muddle the Mixture, Nature's Lore, Memory Lapse, and Fellwar Stone.
1 month ago
Sweet list overall, a few suggestion I would give are as follows:
You probably should add more lands as 32 is a bit greedy even for a deck will as much filtering as this one. Something are 36 is a little bit safer, especially because your deck functions much better with your commander out on turn four.
The advantage that Imprisoned in the Moon has over a card like Detention Sphere which hits all copies and can target enchantments and artifacts all without giving them an extra land is that Imprisoned in the Moon can keep players off certain colors of mana. This effect is much more effective in multiples however, because negating one land usually wont keep them off all their colors for long. Due to this I would replace Imprisoned in the Moon with Detention Sphere unless you want to go more in the mana denial direction with cards like Spreading Seas and Annex.
Generally it isn't too important to get rid of turn one enchantments, most of the power ones exist in the four or five slot, so Erase is cheaper of a spell then you need for that effect. I would choose a card like Return to Dust which can also hit artifacts and multiple targets.
I see you have a library manipulation subtheme with the miracles and top X card rearrangers. A card you might want to consider is Ancestral Knowledge which goes really deep into your library to set up the top card.
One weakness of your deck currently is it is lacking a way to deal with graveyard shenanigans. Adding in a card such as Angel of Finality would help combat this weakness.
Because many of the creatures in commander need to be dealt with before their controller untaps, the restriction on Swift Reckoning is pretty tough. Something more universal like Swords to Plowshares is usually better.
I do really like the miracles slant you have given to this deck and I'm excited to see how it evolves in the future.
1 month ago
So with these suggestions, I really wanted to commit to thoughtful suggestions that compliment your playstyle, upgrade existing cards, and give your deck a chance to set itself up for success.
Starting with lands. I know I preach lands and basics, and part of the reason for that is a deck is only as successful as its mana base. Looking at the basic lay out, you have 35 lands, which is kind of on the low end. In a color-scheme that doesn't land ramp well naturally, so we will work to address this. Current stat, 13 out of 35 of your lands enter tapped, meaning that if you keep a hand of 3 lands, on average 1 will end up entering tapped and with a average CMC of 3.6, this means you might be waiting until turn 4-5 to play a first spell. So we will fix the mana base first. We will do this by addressing lands and mana sources that enter tapped or don't further your goal:
DROP: Alloy Myr; ADD: A basic Land. The reason is because it sits at the top of your curve and needs a turn to activate, thus being prone to a board wipe.
DROP: Rupture Spire and Transguild Promenade; ADD: Exotic Orchard and Myriad Landscape. These multicolor lands actually set you back a turn without realizing it, since you have to pay into them as well. Exotic Orchard plays into your theme and actually gives you access to other colors of mana in your opponents hand. Myriad Landscape can be used to ramp too.
DROP: The guildgates; ADD: The pain lands. Each one of Caves of Koilos, Adarkar Wastes, and Underground River. Great cards that offer mana fixing without a hit to a budget. They also enter untapped, which is the key.
DROP: The Ravnica Karoos; ADD: The Check Lands. Again, a situation kinda like Rupture Spire, this sets you back early game and is unfortunate late game when you have momentum. The check lands, each one of Glacial Fortress, Drowned Catacomb, and Isolated Chapel. They don't enter tapped provided you have a basic land TYPE (key word there). Again, they enter untapped which is important.
OPTIONAL DROP: One of each Basic Land; ADD: The Shock lands. These guys are phenomenal, seriously. If you can swing it, I'd recommend it bigly.
OK! Now that we have hit the mana base, lets look at upgrading some of the utility cards that allow your deck to get the gas it needs in play, things like your ramp spells and tutors, and just generally better versions of what you're running. Since we added and fixed your lands up a bit, we can slow down on all the ramp artifacts. So here are some suggested adds to get more bang for your commander.
DROP: Armillary Sphere; ADD: Darksteel Plate. We took care of the basic function of Armillary Sphere with Myriad Landscape, so this card seems overpriced and slow for the effect now. Expedition Map will fetch you a utility land/Mana fixer and is better, which you already have in here, so lets use this slot to get some protection for your commander. Sen Triplets draw hate by their nature, so having ways to protect them is important. Darksteel Plate keeps them around and forces people to play their board wipes different if they want your gals gone.
DROP: Manalith; ADD: Lightning Greaves or Swiftfoot Boots. More protection for the commander. Manalith is redundant and weaker when compared to Darksteel Ingot, making it the subject of the pull. Nuff Said.
SUGGESTED DROP: Annex; ADD: Strionic Resonator. Now hear me out on this one Sen Triplets is a triggered ability, denoted by the "At the beginning..." in the card. Annex may net you a land or remove utility, but copying your commanders ability seems like its more your style. And targeting two players at once has obvious benefits that I don't have to overstate here.
DROP: Beguiler of Wills; ADD: Merieke Ri Berit. With only 15 creatures (after cutting Alloy Myr), the maximum effect you could get from Beguiler of Wills feels limited. The suggestion here is a straight upgrade, non-conditional creature steal. Just gotta keep her tapped. And with added protection from the new protection artifacts, thats easier to do.
SUGGESTED DROP: Memory Plunder; ADD: Stolen Goods. They sit at the same spot on the mana curve, however, and the reason I put suggested here, is the casting cost of Memory Plunder really eats into your colored mana available, whereas Stolen Goods does not. This is more of a preference call but one I wanted to make any way
SUGGESTED DROPS: Thrashing Wumpus + Charisma; ADD: Enchanted Evening + Aura Thief. This fits the comboo here in a similar fashion, however I'd argue the latter is much more powerful and fitting to your deck than the former. Adding a sac outlet like High Market which can be fetched by your Expedition Map ensures that you have your combo. These pieces aside, each of these cards can serve a purpose on the board separately as well.
DROP: Grand Arbiter Augustin IV; ADD: Supreme Verdict or Wrath of God. Now this is one where you could probably explain it a bit more to me, but it feels really out of place from the outside looking in. It unnecessarily draws hate when your commander already does that a lot for you. A board wipe here could help.
DROP: Sidisi, Undead Vizier; ADD: Dragonlord Silumgar. Sidisi lets you sac a creature you steal from your opponent, true, but if your commander isn't online or you don't have a large creature presence, its a dead draw. Adding Dragonlord Silumgar actually fits our fairly-heavy planeswalker meta well,or grabs a creature that a player has. Just imagine the look on Eric's face when you pay 6 mana for his 8 mana Ugin
DROP: Seizan, Perverter of Truth; ADD: Keiga, the Tide Star or Recurring Insight. This one could go either way, depends on preference. I'm recommending cutting Seizan though because its the third effect of Howling Mine and Kami. It lands turn 5 if you have it in your opening hand, and you don't get the benefit until it comes back to you. 2 extra cards is a big deal in our meta as the faster decks just got more answers to kill stuff before it comes back to you. Recurring Insight sits in a similar spot on the curve and allows interaction with another player, and Keiga is a great trap that sits with your "Theft" theme.
DROP: Damnable Pact; ADD: Blue Sun's Zenith. While Damnable Pact gives you a way to deal damage to another player, if you can't kill them with this spell then you just gave them a ton of answers to kill you with or combo out. BSZ performs a similar function, however can be done at instant speed, hit you or another player, and shuffles back into your deck. Another viable option here would be Sphinx's Revelation
DROP: Knight of the White Orchid; ADD: Solemn Simulacrum. Its conditional land search at 2 mana, versus unconditional land search at 4 colorless mana. Sad robot is stronger in this case. Plus, Weathered Wayfarer does the knights job better.
SUGGESTED DROP: Fellwar Stone; ADD: Deep Analysis. Card draw that comes back. With a stronger mana base, less mana rocks is viable. I picked Fellwar Stone because of its effect, however only a suggested drop because I know it plays into your commander's strength. So up to you on this one.
SUGGESTED DROP: Plea for Guidance; ADD: A card draw spell, or another Jank spell of your choice. Plea for Guidance is a nice card, but at 6 mana its almost tapping you out in a given turn to get cards you can't play that turn. You also have 4 other tutors in the deck that give you an enchantment when you need it, so use this slot to play a different jank card that fits your playstyle and theme better.
So this is all I've got for now. Just a few thoughts I had immediately combing the deck. Again, these are all just suggestions and I tried to be cognizant of your playstyle and commit to adding thoughtful suggestions that also wouldn't break the bank.
Some other fun cards I stumbled across that were pure jank when looking for upgrades are below:
Hope this helps!