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Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis
Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
At the beginning of your end step, draw a card. Each player may put a land card from his or her hand onto the battlefield, then each opponent who didn't draws a card.
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Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis Discussion
1 day ago
So the immediate problem I see is that you're trying to run legendary and non-legendary cards together as a theme, while I think it can work just fine, it'll be very difficult to fit a tertiary theme, and it will be finicky sometimes because they will kinda of grind against each other. Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker only works with non-legendary creatures. If you get a few non-legendary creatures out with Jalira, Master Polymorphist and have Heroes' Podium it's going to feel kind of bad, but it'll feel pretty good to have a it with a bunch of legends. Mirari's Wake might fit better for you.
SO relatively, I only added white pretty recently and I only have 5 white cards. Felidar Guardian because it's basically twin combo with Saheeli Rai, but also works with Kiki-Jiki, Restoration Angel I view as a protection spell that just happens to work with Kiki-Jiki. Tamiyo, Field Researcher (combos with Doubling Season and is good value), Anointed Procession (more Doubling Season/Parallel Lives effects), and Teferi's Protection (should be in every deck that can run it as it protects from Cyclonic Rift).
So if I hadn't changed this deck recently I could probably use some of your ideas and then I'd put in Village Bell-Ringer but I don't actually have a reason to just untap most creatures for just value if I need to, having only 5 creatures with Untap abilities anymore, and they are more just either combos themselves or combo protection. Say if I have Tidewater Minion and Kiora's Follower and I go to combo off with Minion and someone just Doom Blade's it I can use Follower to untap Minion and then just float literally billions of mana, here I could use Village Bell-ringer and it'd be the same thing, but Kiora's Follower can untap land for me as well, Bell-ringer can't normally, for me. So if you have more activated abilities Bell-ringer will work for you, and I'd also recommend Thousand-Year Elixir and Illusionist's Bracers if you're not already running them.
I don't play cards that can give my opponents value. Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis is the only thing I run basically just for colors. I have to be in a tight spot in order to actually cast it, and it should be a partner commander combination but I had been at such a loss of what even to take out of the deck in order to get a partner combination in here. So I don't play cards like Selvala, Explorer Returned because she gives too much value to opponent's, and again I don't even play K&T unless I have to and I'd rather have partner commanders.
Just make sure all your Twin combo targets can do other things, like, I don't run Breaching Hippocamp because it doens't provide enough for me, while others like Zealous Conscripts can just take someone's Planeswalker and ult them or someone else's kiki-jiki and win, I've used Deceiver Exarch to tap down Blightsteel Colossus and prevent an attack. Interactions.
2 weeks ago
Seriously, though. Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis do what the title suggest and are an interersing Commander(s), but (and?) are in these colours plus one.
4 weeks ago
I really like the idea of Jeskai Ascendancy combos. Retraction Helix to bounce some cheap artifact also gives unlimited noncreature spells. Paradox Engine could be useful as redundancy. If you're not running Paradox Engine your mana rocks aren't as effective in this build compared to more dorks and land ramp. Aetherflux Reservoir and Laboratory Maniac could be other wincons.
Concordant Crossroads should help a lot with the haste, especially with token generators.
Metallurgic Summonings should generate lots of tokens while also providing recursion.
I feel like you need more card draw. Treasure Cruise should be good.
Nibilis can be cut since if you can combo off you don't need the tapping. The two Elspeths could be replaced as well.
1 month ago
What are some good landfalls for this win con? I already have Omnath, Locus of Rage in my 99.
(In case it isn't clear, you abuse the fact you get first pick. You take your landfaller, like Omnath, then you spend the rest of the time taking lands)
1 month ago
Hello, I'm currently looking at refitting my alternate win cons deck into a more landfall/group hug approach using Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis as the commander with the aim of including Maze's End with it's landfall synergy.
I noticed that K+T do not have black in their identity but would that stop me including the Guildgates that feature black?
I seem to remember a ruling somewhere that you can generate mana outside of your identity in game (through effects like someone elses Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth etc)
If i'm wrong then fair enough, will have to hit the drawing board again :)
2 months ago
If you actually want another pre-con:
Some of the other 2015 decks are, or can be, really good and don't draw the same hate: Ezuri, mentioned above; Daxos the Returned(1) is narrow but can be incredibly powerful; Mizzix of the Izmagnus is classic Izzet spell-slinger - super fun if you're into that kind of thing; and Kalemne, Disciple of Iroas is the one I see least - Boros stomp n smash.
I'd also second Daretti artifacts and Prossh, as two decks that are both good/fun out of the box and have potential to be broken with some tinkering.
If you want to avoid getting targeted altogether and play group politics / late-game wins, get Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis from 2016. Hide behind your pillowfort until the time is right...
(1)Here's my Daxos deck if you want to see what that's about (decklist is slightly out of date)
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2 months ago
Political control gives me the idea of a group hug deck - giving the opponents all the resources ever, but discouraging them from attacking you. Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis is right up that alley and the precon is a good starting point. The precon + 20 bucks for upgrades should be right at your budget.
2 months ago
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