Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis
Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
At the beginning of your end step, draw a card. Each player may put a land card from his or her hand onto the battlefield, then each opponent who didn't draws a card.
|Have (2)||metalmagic , orzhov_is_relatively_okay819|
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|Commander 2016 (C16)||Mythic Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis Discussion
1 month ago
As Funky said; there's no reason for these to be something different from enchantments - except to make it impossible to interact with (like an emblem - but then you might as well use that). I feel like it's misguided to exclude red solely because red has damage and a lot of violent tendencies within their color pie ( as does white ), but red is also the color of passion and emotion, something that can be a motivator to give to a community. Black's identity is more of self-ambition and I get why they are not part of such a mechanic. Also Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis 's colors.
As Sun says, no one will activate these Communities in normal EDH situations, both due to cost and due to lack of pay-off. It takes way too much mana and benefit for opponents before you can start reaping benefits yourself. Look at a card like Pendant of Prosperity . It's owner pays the up-front cost of casting the artifact and the selected opponent pays for the benefit for both players. It's in a whopping 500 decks out of 230.000 decks on EDHREC (and I guess a lot of these are the Commander precon decklists it came in) and generally people don't activate the artifact when given. It costs the owner 3 mana and a card, and the recipient doesn't have or want to spend resources on it unless they're struggling for whatever it can give.
As for possible improvements to the viability of the activations you could try something like this;
": Put a Community counter on ~ and choose target opponent. That opponent may pay . If they do, you both draw a card. If they don't, you Scry 1. Any player may activate this ability.
: You draw a card. Can only be activated if ~ has 10 or more Community counters on it. Any player may activate this ability."
This invites a "I help you, you help me" kind of deal - something akin to Diviner Spirit . The payment is split so it's more reminiscent of Joined Forces , where you each have to pitch in to get higher rewards. The payment is heavier on the activator as that player is likely the one gaining the most out of the transaction and thus have to put in more effort. It also reminds me a bit of the Offering cards . As a softener, if the opponent doesn't accept the deal, you still get a small bonus in the same alley as the original effect.
When the community is well founded and you only want to help yourself, the payment is also solely yours - which makes both abilities have a place in the game after the community is founded. If the board needs an answer to a threat, you may split costs to dig for an answer.
I changed the self-activation to "you draw" to avoid it becoming a win-condition with infinite colorless mana. It could also just be "Target player may draw a card." if you really want the group hug possibility.
Payment, rewards and Community threshold can all be subjective to the individual community card. Another card could perhaps be:
": Choose target opponent. That opponent may tap an untapped creature they control. If they do, put a Community counter on ~ and that player gains 3 life. Any player may activate this ability
Tap a creature you control: Target player gains 2 life. Can only be activated if ~ has 8 or more Community counters on it. Any player may activate this ability."
In this scenario the activator pays nothing but they allow the targeted opponent to trade an untapped creature for life while the activator gains nothing for themselves - except the Community counter, which first comes if the deal is accepted, in contrast to the first example that had a payment for the activator.
Once the community is founded, any creature may tap to give any player a slightly smaller amount of life. So the agreement through the community is still more advantageous. Political agreements still have a benefit over selfish desires.
Community threshold could be different from 10, unless the desire is to specifically make it a uniform characteristic.
I think such a design has a better chance at being viable as a group hug mechanic, as both players have to pay or come to an agreement that can benefit both, instead of only one player toiling to establish the community.
2 months ago
Neat build! Morophon seems like a good choice as the red-herring general. I went for Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis for my build since he helps draw into tutors, though I am jealous of your access to black.
Anyway you might like these: Debt of Loyalty , Natural Affinity , Dovescape , Possibility Storm , Replicate, Willbreaker , Baral's Expertise , Harnessed Lightning , Green Sun's Zenith , Spellseeker , Fists of Flame , Verdant Rebirth , Supplant Form , Hatred , Supernatural Stamina
3 months ago
Sure, I'm at 100 cards. But we've a huge situation after all those cuts that should've changed the meter. Is it not meant to be fixed?
Whatever, this is Deck 1 that although at 100 Cards, I just don't see enough consistency for this to work properly. Here is what I believe to be the best of each:
Cloudblazer (Card Advantage & Life Gain? OH YEAH!) Daxos of Meletis (Just buff him once, & only spot removal & wraths can end him.) Deputy of Acquittals (Another Venser when we need it.) Fiend Hunter (How did this make it in?) Grand Abolisher (This is the best we got for Lockdown.) Kambal, Consul of Allocation (Taxes for casting nothing but anything not a Creature.) Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis (Group Hug? Not here. Two Benevolent Kings will destroy you.) Lavinia, Azorius Renegade (I wonder if she can do well w/ Kynalos and Tino... Oh, & STACKS.) Marchesa, the Black Rose (It's either you have low life or this stays cut.) Why didn't you decrease for me cuttung a staple like Meren?! (Uh, Recursion?) Mother of Runes (Ditched Cartel Aristocrat as at least she can be used on any of my Humans.) Reflector Mage (Still on the bend on this one.) Thalia, Heretic Cathar (Uh, Stax?) Thalia's Lieutenant (HUGE Boost throughout my humans.) Trophy Mage (At least most of my "Trophies" are Cast.)
Kenrith, the Returned King : (Recursion, Life gain, +1/+1 Buffs, Card Advantage, even giving everyone Haste & Trample is awesome. DO NOT CUT IT.)
I hope this helps in case you want to improve on this also. Signing out.
3 months ago
Commander / EDH
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Just looking for some feedback on my deck. Aside from the Always Sunny reference, I'm actually pretty excited about how this is looking. In playtesting it has been really efficient at getting far ahead of opponents despite Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis assisting our opponents. Doesn't necessarily need to be cEDH but I'm more than open to suggestions!
4 months ago
First of all, love the deck! I totally agree with you on the idea behind it and it's such an awesome deck to see. Second of all - have you heard of our Lord and Saviour Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis ? Haha, you should totally get that as your commander, or honestly, the new legendary from Throne of Eldraine Kenrith, the Returned King ?
4 months ago
@AtashiDesu, I wish there was more goad! But yea, there are a lot of options.
If you like Barrier, there's also Pramikon, Sky Rampart .
I'll usually save Elephant Grass for when I can cast Karona at the same time and pay for it until she leaves. Since my hugs are like Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis / Rites of Flourishing /etc, I have mana to do whatever I want tho. Island Sanctuary is mostly just for Karona.
The problem I see with the vows and mana, imo, is the commander tax. 6 is a lot. Expecting to have 9 (or more) mana open for Karona and a vow, let alone any other shenanigans, is hopeful. Auras are generally bad because they trade 2:1 very easily. You could Omniscience with that mana. I almost always want to play my land for turn and then keep casting Karona... even for 14 mana because people kill her :)
If flying midrange is a thing, add some wipes! I usually run 4-6 in commander. Rn I'm testing Dimensional Breach (bring back a pillow card... then Karona!).
If you can decide between the "Breaking Legendary," "Karona Voltron," and Pillowfort, I think the cuts will make more sense to you. All-in on breaking the Legendary rule would be pretty funny to see!
4 months ago
interesting deck i'd say, seems a lot like a legacy deck than an EDH one! How has Blinding Angel and Chancellor of the Annex been working out? And If you were to add things like graveyards hate, and cards like Excise , Path to Exile what would be some recommendations? I'm currently making my Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis 4 color Angel themed EDH deck into a 2 color Selesnya Angel tribal! (im only using 7 cards that are not white or green LOL)! So I'm planning to make it into a Sigarda, Host of Herons deck!
4 months ago
Hello! So I have a couple questions for you! Im running a Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis Angel tribal deck, but going to make it into a Sigarda Angel tribal. And I was wondering how well Nissa, Voice of Zendikar and Serra the Benevolent work in this deck! what would be some recommendations for card/draw and control in selesnya colors you could give? Im thinking about buying interesting underrated cards like Excise and maybe a Chancellor of the Annex also would you prefer to have the Ajani, the Greathearted over something like Heliod, God of the Sun ? Or do you have Ajani because of aatraxa?