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Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis
Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
At the beginning of your end step, draw a card. Each player may put a land card from his or her hand onto the battlefield, then each opponent who didn't draws a card.
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Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis Discussion
6 days ago
I had an Ezuri, Claw of Progress EDH deck (the precon) but I transformed it into a Kaseto, Orochi Archmage Snake tribal / unblockable value deck. (link here: Kaseto's Sneaky Sneks (snake tribal) ). And I also have the Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis precon, but that one needs some adjustments. I still want to build around Ezuri, Claw of Progress again sometime, but I hadn't really had time for it because I'm still figuring out what I need to put in Kaseto, Orochi Archmage. Could you take a look at my list and give me some feedback? (and also look at the maybe board, I also wanted to put those cards in. But not all of them ofcourse.) I am also interested in your Ezuri and Kynaios and Tiro lists. Could you post them on tapped out? ^_^. Oh and thanks for upvoting my Battering BoiZ deck ^.^
1 week ago
thijmnesoy: i actually have considered it. My current commanders are Kresh the Bloodbraided, Ezuri, Claw of Progress and Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis, so there is a lot of green going on. I wouldn't want another green commander, though teddy would be pretty interesting.
1 month ago
Surprised to see you not playing Bramble Sovereign (I think that's how you link cards, hopefully did that right.) I have my own group hug, which was originally based off of this list until I got Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis, I put in Bramble Sovereign to see how it was and it's been REALLY fun with it.
1 month ago
That is a silly question, it is like asking if there is a way to win with any deck :P
The answer is of course. Many of them use a combo like making everyone draw 1000 cards which usually works rather well since they already make you draw extra.
I've also seen a 5-color Nekusar, the Mindrazer which depending on what you draw and how you play comes off as a hug deck until you drop the nasty things you usually see with him.
Edric, Spymaster of Trest is technically a group hugger since he allows everyone to get lots of extra cards but most people run a lot of unblockable guys with him and I see people get chewed apart by Slither Blades.
Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis may be the most common group hugger. If you go to his EDHRec page you will see things like Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs, Progenitor Mimic, Chasm Skulker, Selfless Squire, Omnath, Locus of Rage, and Psychosis Crawler. All of those can bring you closer to a win.
Often group hug is about giving everyone stuff until you are set to either combo or clean up the left overs with something big and nasty.
1 month ago
So the immediate problem I see is that you're trying to run legendary and non-legendary cards together as a theme, while I think it can work just fine, it'll be very difficult to fit a tertiary theme, and it will be finicky sometimes because they will kinda of grind against each other. Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker only works with non-legendary creatures. If you get a few non-legendary creatures out with Jalira, Master Polymorphist and have Heroes' Podium it's going to feel kind of bad, but it'll feel pretty good to have a it with a bunch of legends. Mirari's Wake might fit better for you.
SO relatively, I only added white pretty recently and I only have 5 white cards. Felidar Guardian because it's basically twin combo with Saheeli Rai, but also works with Kiki-Jiki, Restoration Angel I view as a protection spell that just happens to work with Kiki-Jiki. Tamiyo, Field Researcher (combos with Doubling Season and is good value), Anointed Procession (more Doubling Season/Parallel Lives effects), and Teferi's Protection (should be in every deck that can run it as it protects from Cyclonic Rift).
So if I hadn't changed this deck recently I could probably use some of your ideas and then I'd put in Village Bell-Ringer but I don't actually have a reason to just untap most creatures for just value if I need to, having only 5 creatures with Untap abilities anymore, and they are more just either combos themselves or combo protection. Say if I have Tidewater Minion and Kiora's Follower and I go to combo off with Minion and someone just Doom Blade's it I can use Follower to untap Minion and then just float literally billions of mana, here I could use Village Bell-ringer and it'd be the same thing, but Kiora's Follower can untap land for me as well, Bell-ringer can't normally, for me. So if you have more activated abilities Bell-ringer will work for you, and I'd also recommend Thousand-Year Elixir and Illusionist's Bracers if you're not already running them.
I don't play cards that can give my opponents value. Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis is the only thing I run basically just for colors. I have to be in a tight spot in order to actually cast it, and it should be a partner commander combination but I had been at such a loss of what even to take out of the deck in order to get a partner combination in here. So I don't play cards like Selvala, Explorer Returned because she gives too much value to opponent's, and again I don't even play K&T unless I have to and I'd rather have partner commanders.
Just make sure all your Twin combo targets can do other things, like, I don't run Breaching Hippocamp because it doens't provide enough for me, while others like Zealous Conscripts can just take someone's Planeswalker and ult them or someone else's kiki-jiki and win, I've used Deceiver Exarch to tap down Blightsteel Colossus and prevent an attack. Interactions.
2 months ago
Seriously, though. Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis do what the title suggest and are an interersing Commander(s), but (and?) are in these colours plus one.
2 months ago
I really like the idea of Jeskai Ascendancy combos. Retraction Helix to bounce some cheap artifact also gives unlimited noncreature spells. Paradox Engine could be useful as redundancy. If you're not running Paradox Engine your mana rocks aren't as effective in this build compared to more dorks and land ramp. Aetherflux Reservoir and Laboratory Maniac could be other wincons.
Concordant Crossroads should help a lot with the haste, especially with token generators.
Metallurgic Summonings should generate lots of tokens while also providing recursion.
I feel like you need more card draw. Treasure Cruise should be good.
Nibilis can be cut since if you can combo off you don't need the tapping. The two Elspeths could be replaced as well.
3 months ago
What are some good landfalls for this win con? I already have Omnath, Locus of Rage in my 99.
(In case it isn't clear, you abuse the fact you get first pick. You take your landfaller, like Omnath, then you spend the rest of the time taking lands)