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Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis
Legendary Creature — Human Soldier
At the beginning of your end step, draw a card. Each player may put a land card from his or her hand onto the battlefield, then each opponent who didn't draws a card.
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Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis Discussion
1 week ago
hey Strangelove, thanks for the suggestions a ton
yeah i generally go enchant heavy, but especially in this deck because they're just generally harder to shoot down than creatures
Endless Whispers and Xantcha, Sleeper Agent are both amazing. i don't know how i missed over them. definitely both going in when i get a chance to tweak the deck a bit. probably Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis if i can find a little room, too.
i like Wild Research in a zedruu shell where i can kinda gimp it a little more with big mana and graveyard shenanigans
i should probably add in Pir's Whim , not sure why i wasn't already running it. i have a copy and generally use it in my sillier decks.
sadly Cruel Entertainment isn't on mtgo
1 week ago
yooo this is just the kind of chaos-hug I want to see!
I've been sitting on a Karona, but I didn't know what to do with her... like, have you ever put her down and the table decides to name "Avatar" and 3-shot someone(you)?
Is the enchantress theme doing what you want? I'm thinking about more creature stuff. Random things like Boldwyr Heavyweights and the Hunted series seem fun.
Oh Wild Research .
If you have lands worth playing, Pir's Whim feels good.
Missing Akroma, Angel of Wrath for the lore flex.
3 weeks ago
You may play around Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis 's ability. Tatyova, Benthic Druid will give you extra card draw whenever you get a land on the field. Reliquary Tower is cheap now, and works wonders. You surely will have 5 lands on turn 4, so Temple of the False God is really good.
You should also consider Azorius Chancery , Boros Garrison , Gruul Turf , Selesnya Sanctuary , Simic Growth Chamber , Izzet Boilerworks . You play your untapped land for the turn normally, then play one of those with K&T's ability. You get ahead of mana since these lands tap for 2 mana.
I suggest removing Azorius Guildgate , Blossoming Sands , Boros Guildgate , Gruul Guildgate , Izzet Guildgate , Simic Guildgate , Tranquil Cove , Vivid Grove , Haunted Fengraf and Unstable Frontier for the lands above.
Do you want to see chaos happen? Hive Mind , Knowledge Pool , Thousand-Year Storm , Eye of the Storm , Shared Fate , Gate to the AEther , Possibility Storm , Ruhan of the Fomori , Perplexing Chimera , Dictate of the Twin Gods , Furnace of Rath , Gratuitous Violence , Mind's Dilation , Sunbird's Invocation .
Do you want to give more resources to them? Eladamri's Vineyard , Dictate of Karametra , Zhur-Taa Ancient , Heartbeat of Spring , Heartwood Storyteller , Intellectual Offering , Keeper of Progenitus , Well of Ideas , Rites of Flourishing , Ghirapur Orrery . Zendikar Resurgent and Mirari's Wake .
3 weeks ago
I agree a precon is a great way to learn. I'd suggest one of the following:
Adaptive Enchantment (C18 with Estrid, the Masked ) - this deck is simple (play enchantments) but not too linear; it has good interactivity, good card draw, and is more protective than aggressive. It's also still comparatively cheap, and can be improved/upgraded on a budget. If a planeswalker commander is daunting to start, just put Estrid into the 99 and play Tuvasa the Sunlit as the commander.
Second suggestion is Stalwart Unity (C16 with Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis ) - every color but black! There are few decks in the format better suited for "the good guy" - group hug + pillow fort. It also happens to be super fun to play (when we played C16 out of the box, this deck won). Downside is that like all old precons, it has escalated to between $80-$100.
1 month ago
Congratulations for your deck! I like the idea of cloning stuff, and I am still trying to find a build that works. If I can give you a hint, prefer cards that can clone any creature on the field over the cards that can only clone your creatures (everyone should have a Consecrated Sphinx , right? Not only your opponent).
I don't feel like would help you much with cloning. The best (and maybe only) white card that refers to cloning is Mirrorweave .
If you look at https://edhrec.com/themes/clones, you will see that almost all clone effects are blue: Clone , Vizier of Many Faces , Gigantoplasm , Vesuvan Shapeshifter , Body Double , Mirror Image , Supplant Form , Blatant Thievery , Clone Legion , Mirror Match . If you want to copy spells aswell, Insidious Will , Swarm Intelligence and Spelltwine are there for you.
gives you Evil Twin and all black tutors and removal.
gives you Altered Ego , Progenitor Mimic , Spitting Image and all of green ramp and removal. For me, it is the best color to splash on a blue clone deck, because it also allows the Biovisionary alternative win-condition.
As long as commander suggestions are concerned, here are some ideas:
Riku of Two Reflections is the go-to clone commander. He has all the relevant colors for cloning (), but he is crazy expensive at 20 dollars, so it might be good to consider other options:
You can have Keiga, the Tide Star as your commander. This way, you can clone him and let the copy Keiga die to the legend rule. When the Keiga copy dies, you can steal an opponent's creature, while still having the original Keiga.
You can have Brudiclad, Telchor Engineer as your commander. He is a win condition by himself, giving tokens haste and making all of them bigger. Red gives you a lot of token generators: Brass's Bounty , Flameshadow Conjuring , Storm the Vault Flip among others. Imagine creating a token copy of a Kokusho, the Evening Star , then turn all your tokens into Kokusho, then sacrificing all them to the legend rule, then draining all your oponents for lethal. Great value!
You can have Tatyova, Benthic Druid as your commander. She doesn't refer to a clone strategy, but she gives a lot of card draw by just playing lands (your hand will always be filled). You can clone Rampaging Baloths and Avenger of Zendikar for a massive win. Also, you have access to all the blue-green clones and the Biovisionary + Rite of Replication combo.
If you want to use altogether, you might consider Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder or Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis . Yidris allows you to use Evil Twin and all the black removal. Yidris also increases the value you get from playing spells by cascading into other spells. // K&T, on the other hand, gives you card advantage and makes you less threatening while you build your board. White also gives you access to great boardwipes ( Austere Command ).
All in all, good luck in your deckbuilding and have fun!
1 month ago
This is gonna sound crazy, but would you ever consider going to Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis as your commander? ahear me out.
Riku, u have admitted yourself, isnt necessary for the deck to function but splashing for the Kynaios and Tiro means you have a commander who enables your strategy and accelerates your lands drops every end step. Just a thought of course, and +1 for an awesome deck :)
1 month ago
I second Zedruu - super fun, and can get wins from card draw if you build it that way (e.g. Psychosis Crawler ).
Another great group hug commander is Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis - you get four colors and ramp+draw built in.
1 month ago
BUMP AS Shahrazad ISN'T BANNED IN CMDR, UNLIKE WHAT WOTC CLAIMS.
I'll just try this one last time for 4 color Bonds. & I will use The 5 Bonds from WAR as a base. Let's go for the final time; I had to cancel a Superfriends/Avengers Primer just to get help for cutting over 40+ stuff.
Pure enemies w/o a color they lack on their own are out. But what can 5 Bonds do?
Azorius Senate & Gruul Clans : If there is a reason; it's that the Gruul Clans already have allied with the Boros Legion ; & the latter had some kind of alliance w/ the Senate (Expect this reason to keep going.) Kynaios and Tiro of Meletis
Orzhov Syndicate & Izzet League (I dunno.): No idea how they'd work as a team; Unsure if the Izzet League can even comply w/ Azorius Senate law; but they are considered shard allies w/ the House of Dimir. This just might work, but how? Breya, Etherium Shaper
Cult of Rakdos & Simic Combine : Both are fuled with chaos in their own ridiculous way. Though the Combine's more Docile since Momir Vig, Simic Visionary 's departure, these should fit kinda well? Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder
Golgari Swarm & Boros Legion : Erm… The Swarm has an alliance w/ The Gruul Clans? They'd still be Jund, which is a Shard; not a Wedge... Saskia the Unyielding
Selesnya Conlcave & House of Dimir : Uh, maybe the House of Dimir has some kind o alliance w/ the other half of the bond; the Simic Combine? They also seem to like the Izzet League; which are bonded with the House of Dimir... Atraxa, Praetors' Voice
All Ilharging will be put in Charles Nelson Riley's Trash bin where the fanmail that rats on this topic will be thrown out over night; a night at a time.
That's the best I can do sadly. Any other ideas might be just fine w/ me. I'll be going now though... Sorry I put ALL of you through this hell...
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