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The owner of target nonland permanent shuffles it into his or her library, then draws two cards.
1 week ago
A fun combo against somebody who has most of their deck (50+ cards or more) on the field, either by tokens or something like that, would be to play Radiate targeting Oblation . This would also work if your opponent has most of their deck in their hand.
1 week ago
Nice brew, neat idea to counter those clunky and annoying Vannifars!
As smne who played Mono-W Stax for a while, with the amazing Hokori, Dust Drinker at the helm, I'll share with you what thoughts inspire me your sweet Linvala decklist.
(Even if it has already been pointed out before, I wanna say that I also love the Urborg combo. It's unexpectable and freakin' gud!)
Let's start by the beginning: mana fixation. Extraplanar Lens is insane in every monocolored archetype, so it's a quite logic inclusion you made here. Nonetheless, I suggest you to go for Snow-covered lands to synergize better with it - that way you won't give a lift to your opponents playing white.
Pearl Medallion and Sol Ring are basics, nothing really worth to say about it. Thran Dynamo and Worn Powerstone are more debatable. I don't know what is your budget issue, but if you want a competitve list, Mana Crypt , Mana Vault , Grim Monolith , Mind Stone , Everflowing Chalice etc. are all better options. Dynamo and Powerstone aren't bad cards, but they just come after those ones if you really do need a solid ''ramp'' package.
Opal Palace feels badly slow and ineffective in a monocolored stax deck. You won't win the game by taking up the board with your creatures armed of a little +1/+1 counter.
You have notable exclusions in your lands for a mono-white. Eiganjo Castle is the first card that comes through mind. Buried Ruin also is a recursive tool you should consider, even over Inventors' Fair . If you manage to find one, Ancient Tomb has its place there replacing Temple of the False God .
At its final shape, my Hokori decklist was running a powerful Crucible of Worlds package including Wasteland , Strip Mine , Dust Bowl , Flagstones of Trokair , Lotus Vale and City of Traitors . I was up to 39 lands, not counting Maze of Ith .
Now let's jump straight into your gameplan!
So... you're planning to focus your eyes on ruining Vannifar's day. To help with this strategy of being the nasty ''combo killer'' guy, I think you should put in some additional pieces of disruption.
That said, I don't know which Vannifar's version(s) your playgroup perform with. If it's a Thornbite Staff / Intruder Alarm one, things would be easier to calm down and you won't need such a heavy stax package - you'll need more single-target/multi-target removals though. And if it's the other one, certainly the most popular now (and also the most powerful/absurd), based on many shenanigans around the creatures Vannifar brings to the table, you'll need more stax support.
One of the very best cards you could add to stop all those creature-centered combos is Humility . This card is broken, this card is stupid. It even disables etb abilities. The only way your opponent has to go through is to destroy it with a creatureless source / or with a ''casting'' effect (like Ulamog has).
Single-handly, Humility tears apart most of the competitive Vannifar lists. However, based on the fact that it is still fragile to enchantments/permanents removals, you'll have to build a defensive shield for your stuff. Vannifar lists often keep a strong package of cheap permanents' removals in their pocket (like Beast Within for example), so you'll need to play carefully.
There's a lot of different ways you can head in order to reinforce your permanents' presence on the battlefield. A pretty simple and most of the time effective, despite of its ccm, you already included is Avacyn, Angel of Hope . I think you still lack a way to cheat her casting cost out to make her a stable and destructive power house.
Stax ''enchantment'' strategy is imo one of the most viable and solid strategy. With Academy Rector (amazing alongside your High Market ), you'll be able to search the exact piece you need to lock the game in your favor.
Notable stax exclusions :
Static Orb > staple
Storage Matrix > staple
Arena of the Ancients > staple
Thalia, Heretic Cathar > staple
Lodestone Golem > Considering all the artifacts you're playing, ~ seems like a consistent pick for your draft.
Ethersworn Canonist > personal preference there. I always loved ~ in my stax deck. Synergizes well with Teshar.
Phyrexian Revoker > another personal preference. Always found ~ useful.
Pithing Needle > destroys Vannifar for 1 mana.
Orb of Dreams > more of an Hokori all stars card, but could also be good here.
Sphere of Resistance > staple, should be played carefully to slow down your opponents combos and not threw away as soon as possible like I see many people casting it
Mana Tithe > unexpected white counterspell - another Hokori all stars... I don't know if it would be any good there
Other cards to consider :
Platinum Angel > slow down combos, create a premium target for every combo player removals.
Greater Auramancy > protection for your enchantments
Sensei's Divining Top > not the best card draw you could find, but provides something White struggles to accomplish
Barl's Cage > strong mana sink against Vannifar and creature-heavy decks
Condemn > more removals
Abolish > more removals
Dispatch > more removals
Catastrophe > clears everything except enchantments/artifacts
Approach of the Second Sun > win con
Idyllic Tutor > searching for Humility
A bunch of meta depending stax tools :
Cards I'd cut from your list :
Martyr's Bond > Slow and unreliable on this brew. As you're not sacrificing any kind of permanent on your own, you'll struggle to get any value out of it outside of a lost political blast deflagrating when the game should already be over. Unless you add in some cards like World Queller , it defenitly doesn't deserve a slot imo.
Bishop of Rebirth > a lot of people seems to give love to this card recently. However, I personally think it is just a bad inclusion. You spend 5 mana on a understated body and you have to wait a whole turn before getting value out of it IF you are in the researched scenario. There will be times where you have Boots or Greaves on board and this will be an insane mini-Sun Titan, but the situation is too rare to justify its presence.
Sublime Archangel > No real interest here. Good creature but doesn't provide anything for the stax strategy.
Gift of Immortality / True Conviction > weird ''win con'' heavily situational cards based on creatures. There is some logic behind Gift, but it's just too much of a unreliable idea. True Conviction has nothing to do here... it's 6 mana spend to lose the control on the game. If you're searching for card advantage and a bit of healing, go for the brand new Dawn of Hope (also is a good mana sink).
Blackblade Reforged > intersting alternative win con. Feels slow nonetheless.
Emeria Shepherd > too slow for my liking.
Whispersilk Cloak > can't understand what this does in a deck full of flyiers and tapping effects.
Finally, as you want to challenge Vannifar, which is a blue deck, you'll need something to deal with the classical Cyclonic Rift . Teferi's Protection is a good solution (and it could also protects you form a lot of various situations / removals / etc.), but I'm sure you can find a lot of other response.
I hope you'll find useful ideas in this comment. Thanks a lot for sharing this, it reminds me good times. Keep up the good work, keep up brewing!
2 weeks ago
@ MCJennings ,
The Sunforger -package still is a work in progress. I had in in the deck for a long time (half a year now) but always came upon the same problem: I didn't draw the Sunforger... If I finally did it anyway, it worked absolutely fine as a tutor-for-needed-answers-tool. If i'm being attacked I always can use Path to Exile or Swords to Plowshares . If there is an enchantment I really want to be gone I tutor up Return to Dust , Oblation or the like. If something really bad is happening I can cast Teferi's Protection to phase out and if I should be missing a landdrop I can cast Tithe to search for a couple of lands. Thanks to Mistveil Plains I am able to use a single spell as much as I want to, putting it back on the bottom of my library. The only problem: Sunforger was always hiding somewhere in my deck... That's why I added some new cards to the deck, that shall help me by searching the infamous hammer: Enlightened Tutor (can be used to tutor for everything you should be needing repeatedly via Sunforger + Plains) , Open the Armory and Steelshaper's Gift . These cards however have just been ordered and the deck needs to be playtested yet. As for the sunforgers wielder it will most of the time be Zedruu herself. I try to keep my Zedruu-triggers low till the endgame, only drawing a couple cards/ gaining a couple life through her ability. She usually isn't being targeted at all by my opponents and only dies due to a boardwipe from time to time. The main goal of the deck is to stay hidden and fly under the radar most of the time. This usually works and people don't seem to care to much about what the goat is doing with her hammer.
The Clever Impersonator really is a very versatile and amazing card I just came upon a few weeks ago. While I really like your idea of the Copy Artifact being a 2mana manarock, the Impersonator usually serves a different purpose, targeting cards like: Venser's Journal , Maze of Ith , maybe Propaganda or Rhystic Study . Using it to copy Bitter Feud also is quite funny, as thing are getting out of hand quite quickly when everyone is dealing double to four times the damage to each other... The most valuable target just might be Paradox Haze though... just imagine all the cards you will draw, all the life you will gain by having three upkeeps <3
The Crown of Doom however simply is a very political card you can gift to your opponents to spread some bad blood. You usually want them to kill each other until only one opponent is left as it might be difficult to deal with a larger number of opponents when it comes to the winning-part. The important part about this card is that your opponents aren't allowed to give it back to you --> you are safe from the crown and draw cards from it while everyone else is trying to kill eachother... The Howling Mine is part of the grouphug-theme of the deck. While it of course allows everyone to draw an additional card, you are drawing one more card --> getting some extra value as soon as it is gifted away. Additionally the mine is a card your opponents don't want to get rid of --> it stays on the board longer --> you are getting more value from it over the time.
You are right about the Mindslaver being a lockdown with Academy Ruins aswell as with Trading Post + Forbidden Orchard . While I could be going for the easy win with Approach of the Second Sun or the like I really do love to have me some jank-wincons to make it more of a challenge to win for me. All of my wincons are hard work to pull of, but that is implied in the decks idea :)
I have had Tragic Arrogance in the deck for a long time and I know what it can do >:) problem is that I do need the Supreme Verdict for its ability of not being able to counter it, I need the Austere Command to pull of a "combo-win" with Enchanted Evening + Boros Charm and need Cyclonic Rift to deal with an indestructible board... or simply because it is awesome... :D I haven't got a free slot for another boardwipe though, so the Tragic Arrogance sadly needed to go :(
About the cards you mentioned: Bitter Feud simply is a fun political card that can be used to get rid of a very unpleasant opponent. Simply choose him and another player who will untap before him and he will usually finish him of. You can gift the enchantment away for Zedruu-value and rechoose its targets by bouncing it back to your hand/ blinking it with Venser, the Sojourner . Open the Vaults is very often a game winning card in this deck, as I'm usually getting back every single card in my graveyard. Cast this after a boardwipe or after you've been milled for some time and your board will be full of value all of a sudden. As this deck is focused around artifacts and enchantments you are usually getting more value out of this card than your enemies... Enchanted Evening + Greater Auramancy is a combo I have in the deck for board-protection during the lategame. As my deck doesn't heavily evolve around gifting permanents and uses Zedruu's ability only for some extra value or political offerings I usually can pull this of without having to much trouble. At the time I cast these cards I ususally have 3-4 of my permanents allready be sitting on my opponents boards so I don't need to gift away cards anymore. The only thing that doesn't work is winning to Illusions of Grandeur unless you gift the auramancy away to an opponent first.
I hope this helps understanding how the deck is meant to work, thank you for your time and may the goats blessing always be with you! :)
3 weeks ago
Consider adding in cards:
- Divine Visitation
- City of Brass
- Devoted Caretaker
- Mirror Entity
- Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
- Recruiter of the Guard
- Teferi's Protection
Hope that helps!
3 weeks ago
Here are some cards you can try out:
- Devoted Caretaker
- Torpor Orb
- Tocatli Honor Guard
- Spelltithe Enforcer
- Phyrexian Revoker
- Harsh Mentor
- Thalia, Heretic Cathar
- Grand Abolisher
- Gorilla Shaman
- Leonin Arbiter
The thing about going the hatebears route is that it is adjusted to your meta, how is your meta been like? I would also say going heavy in the Sunforger route would be great. Including cards like Wear / Tear , Chaos Warp , Oblation , Forsake the Worldly , Teferi's Protection , Tithe , Comeuppance , Faith's Reward , Lapse of Certainty , Rebuff the Wicked , Ghostway , and Eerie Interlude .
Hope that gives you some ideas you can toy around with!
4 weeks ago
You can definitely add in more cards for the sunforger package.
Some cards you can consider are:
- Teferi's Protection
- Wear / Tear
- Swords to Plowshares
- Path to Exile
- Return to Dust
- Forsake the Worldly
- Chaos Warp
Just to name a few, hope that helps!
Oblation occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.04%
W/U (Azorius): 0.09%
RW (Boros): 0.16%
RBW (Mardu): 0.06%