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2 days ago
I mean, I'm surprised no one mentioned any cantrips yet... Ponder and Preordain are pretty easily two of the best cards in EDH (there's a reason they're banned in Modern), so I think you should stick them in there. multimedia's suggestion of a Flash line is a good plan, and adding the cantrips can help you find it (or whatever combo). Since you're not running fetchlands, I don't think Brainstorm is a good idea. If you do run things like Polluted Delta , it gets REALLY good.
I would also like to point out that, being as creature heavy as you are, you may have trouble with boardwipes. I think you should consider backup cards, like Living Death or Heroic Intervention , since they'll let you survive if you get hit with a Toxic Deluge or Supreme Verdict .
I like that you're running Deathrite Shaman and Birds of Paradise , but you should run some other dorks as well. Arbor Elf is good, especially with duals like your Overgrown Tomb . I'm also a big fan of Elves of Deep Shadow or the classical-era Fyndhorn Elves / Llanowar Elves / Elvish Mystic . Running dorks gets your general down that much faster, meaning your deck overall becomes exponentially more powerful.
If you run the dorks, you can cut cards like Chromatic Lantern in order to make Collector Ouphe viable. Collector Ouphe is a brutal card, especially since you can find it off of your Green Sun's Zenith .
You're running a lot of basics for a tri-color deck without Back to Basics or Blood Moon . There're some cards you may want to look into, like Mana Confluence , City of Brass , Reflecting Pool ... These'll smooth out your mana nicely.
Efficient counterspells can help protect your general and slow down your opponents. I suggest considering some of the following: Spell Snare , Spell Pierce , Delay , Dispel , Swan Song , Veil of Summer , Narset's Reversal or even Mental Misstep , depending upon your meta.
3 days ago
Hey! So I have a few suggestions. Feel free to ignore any/all of them:
Cantrips are your friend in combo decks. Preordain and Ponder are the gold-standard here, since they dig pretty deep for one mana. You're including Brainstorm is good, but I'm not sure it's good enough without non-mana intensive shuffle effects (i.e. some form of fetch lands) to make sure you don't accidentally lock yourself with two cards you don't want on top. While cards like Prismatic Vista and Scalding Tarn can be expensive, depending on your meta something like Terramorphic Expanse or Evolving Wilds might be good enough. Flood Plain and Bad River are also worth considering. Other cantrips ( Opt , Sleight of Hand , Serum Visions ...) are ok but should be considered secondary to Preordain and friends.
Grafdigger's Cage is currently one of the best hosers in EDH, and it does not stop Urza's ability (since Urza's ability exiles the card before casting it, you never cast spells directly from your library). I think it's better than Darksteel Relic , since it still taps for mana and can be a turn one play while having a direct effect on the board state. Tormod's Crypt is a similar card you may want to consider. I think Relic of Progenitus is better than Phyrexian Furnace , especially since you're not running Snapcaster Mage .
Everflowing Chalice seems like a good rock. I've never been a fan of Mox Tantalite , since taking several turns to hit the board is a major drawback. Everflowing Chalice is a slightly worse Mind Stone , but you can cast it for zero when Urza is on the field and have a build-your-own Mox Sapphire .
Retract and/or Hurkyl's Recall can act as pseudo- Paradoxical Outcome s for the purposes of rebuilding mana or building storm-count for Temporal Fissure . They're admittedly not as good, but since you're already running Paradoxical Outcome you may want a redundant card for that effect.
You may want to revisit your counter-suite. Consider substituting more efficient cards for Dissolve and/or Exclude , since three mana is a lot to pay for a counterspell. Things like Spell Snare , Dispel , Spell Pierce , Swan Song , Pact of Negation and/or Delay are all good ways to protect your combo without using too much mana.
I think Mystic Remora is probably better than Rhystic Study . First, it comes down faster (T1 or T2), which means it catches your opponents' rocks when they're casting them in the first few turns. Second, four mana is a lot less payable than one, so you're more likely to draw even in experienced metas. Finally, your strategy is typically going to be a combo strategy -- so you don't need a PERMANENT shield, just one that will last long enough to protect you until you go off with Urza.
Cyclonic Rift is the best board wipe in blue. It's $20 nowadays, but if you can afford one you should definitely run it.
Dig Through Time is an excellent card, as is Treasure Cruise (though I don't like cruise as much as dig in combo decks like this, since it sees fewer cards). Running one of them seems like a good idea.
Chain of Vapor is REALLY good. If you can cast it and bounce an opposing stax piece ( Cursed Totem , Collector Ouphe , Damping Sphere ), it rarely gets reflected. And even if it is, you're likely to just be able to recast whatever they bounce on your board. More importantly, you can use it to bounce a bunch of your low-cost artifacts to both net mana and build storm. So... yea.
1 week ago
I'm wondering how Dispel main has worked for you, otherwise your list seems pretty sound. One thing I would recommend though is a way to fit in an amount of Inkmoth Nexus . The Phyrexian butterfly proves useful on turn three and four when your opponent has eight or nine poison counters but has just removed your Glistener Elf .
Carry on brewing fellow Phyrexian.
2 weeks ago
My first suggestion is you include the big three xerox spells: Ponder , Preordain and Brainstorm . They may not look like much, but superior card-selection for one blue is hard to argue with. I run them in every blue deck, though I think you'll need more shuffle effects to make Brainstorm good. Though I don't recommend them, you can also consider second-class cantrips like Serum Visions , Sleight of Hand and Opt .
My second suggestion is that you include the one-mana mana-dorks. I see you have Elvish Mystic , but running Birds of Paradise and Arbor Elf can be very helpful too. Utopia Sprawl works really well with Arbor Elf .
I think some of the two-mana ramp spells could be improved; I've never been a fan of Rampant Growth . Consider Nature's Lore (or its $100 cousin, Three Visits ) and/or Farseek . These can get non-basics, like your Breeding Pool , and Nature's Lore etbs untapped.
Evolution Sage is a card that MAY be good, but I'm not sure. Not having an immediate board-impact is a major downer, but its ability may be good enough to make it worth including. Playtesting can help.
Windfall is an excellent card-draw spell if you're down on cards. I suggest running Narset, Parter of Veils to act as a stax piece that is particularly abusive with Windfall . (Note that if you do end up with proliferate effects, you can proliferate her and get extra activations.) Other good card-draw spells include Fact or Fiction , Concentrate , Tezzeret's Gambit , Harmonize ...
Mystic Remora is a GREAT card. I personally think it's better than Rhystic Study , but I'm sure that'll raise a lot of hell (I also think Griselbrand should be unbanned, so I'm used to getting yelled at).
Wirewood Symbiote is a card you may want to consider. It words well with cards like your Reclamation Sage and can protect your guys from getting Toxic Deluge -d, and can buy you more triggers with your mana elf etbs for your general.
Depending on how many creatures you tend to have out, Slate of Ancestry could be a powerhouse. If you don't want to use that, running something like Collector Ouphe to fetch off Green Sun's Zenith can raise your decks chances against storm and the like significantly.
Opposition is a card I've been seeing more and more in powerful EDH decks these days. If you pair it with tokens and Seedborn Muse , Opposition can win the game on the spot. Adding something like Winter Orb to the mix can yield even more fun.
You can get more 'at the beginning of combat' triggers by having more combat steps. Consider extra-turn spells, like Temporal Trespass , Temporal Manipulation , Expropriate , Karn's Temporal Sundering , Nexus of Fate ...
Finally, counter magic is a good thing. Idk what the budget for the deck is, but the best counters are Force of Will and Mana Drain . More affordable cards that are still REALLY good are Spell Snare , Arcane Denial , Negate , Fuel for the Cause and the like. Counter-counters (I call them 'second-order counters,' since it makes me feel smart) are also good. Veil of Summer is the best right now, but Autumn's Veil and Dispel are also really good.
Right. That's all I got. Good luck!
2 weeks ago
@abbatromebone Your very first sentence kinda says it all for me right now... I'm supposed to be "Turbofog" and the aggro matchup is supposed to be easy/what my deck is made to beat and currently Im playtesting against Naya Zoo (small zoo with Kird Ape / Loam Lion / Wild Nacatl & Rancor ) and it's far from an easy win...the deck gets me under 8 life by T4 pretty consistently and as soon I "stabilize" the combat damage they go upstairs with Lightning Bolt /similar and close out the game before i can usually..... grrrrrrr!
I need to firm up my deck in general I think and then revisit this sideboard talk..... really starting to see the importance of Negate / Dispel ... starting to think maybe that should just be mainboarded.
2 weeks ago
@abbatromebone I agree... maybe Veil of Summer mist be the "new" or "better" option for Turbofog over Dispel / Negate ...can also slap down Thoughtseize so i like that a lot... or perhaps just in the SB along with the others depending on the matchup... ill look into it for sure.
currently this is what my sideboard is shaping up to be
4x Beast Within For addressing resolved permantants that just need to go... i figure the 3/3 token should be completly negated in turbofog so that should be golden removal in theory.
2x Mindbreak Trap I think could be good to just slow down anyone with lots of cantrips or stormy decks.
3x Negate : straight up noncreature counterspell.
2x Pithing Needle resolved planswalkers primarily.
May be Kiora, Master of the Depths could also help out with Genesis and Spore Frog ?... and if i splashed white i can see the possibility of integrating Kami of False Hope too...I currently dont think this is the way i wanna go because i really wanna try to stay simic for budget reasons (mostly mana base issues); but definitely an idea to be explored.... ill work up a theoretical "fog re-animator style" decklist and see where the price tag would end up.
2 weeks ago
You need cards like Crucible of Worlds , you may mill your lands and with this you can play them and fix your mana.
Wand of denial is not modern legal, but you can replace it with something very similar Pyxis of Pandemonium and also is a graveyard hate card.
The big problem i see is this deck is quite slow and doesnt have a lot of control early game , which you absolutely need if you dont want to get screwed. Early game is harder to control what they draw with the "lanterns" because you wont have most of them, until later in the game, so you need cheap discard to remove the big threats from their hand, the same with counters, it is less powerful late game because your lanterns and discard do most of the job to not let your opponent get their cards but that wont always happen so you need counters and removals to control as much as possible , they shouldnt draw what they need and if they draw it you discard that, and if that didnt work you may use a counter or destroy that creature, or the ensnaring bridge but the last one only works against attacking creatures (mostly big ones) against combo or decks with small creatures or raw damage is more of a dead card,i would have 3 ensnaring bridge you may need some more removals/discard/counters instead. You need low to zero cost cantrips to get those artifacts faster like Mishra's Bauble Cerulean Wisps (not the best but 1 mana for what it does is good and is budget) .
Orbs of warding i think you use them mostly for hexproof rather than the synergy with ensaring bridge + orbs though it is a good combo to prevent most damage it comes as early as turn 6 you may need to use other things than get that thing down if youre looking for hexproof Witchbane Orb is lower mana cost .
The eradicate and zendikon combo looks pretty cool as wincon but im not sure how often you can pull it off but if you do you remove most of its deck as you said works better with mono coloured but a wincon that only has a big impact in some decks like mono green elves makes the deck less versatile i would move them to sideboard though i liked the combo. Remember you need low cost removal, you have to stop the other player rather than actively kill him.
Your counters are very high cost you use them more to mill and kill your opponent than to protect yourself. What will you do against a combo if they get all pieces by turn 4 like a retraction helix+ altar of the brood(look for this deck on google) combo, maybe they wont use their combo but you must save your mana to counter that, the high cost of the counter is slowing you down and your opponent may have a secondary win condition for example with a Genesis Chamber . You cant counter 2 things at once(not only that, you may need to destroy something or discard and you cant because of the counter) with that high cost, if you had cheaper counters or discard you could have removed the pieces long ago, even in turn 1 if you Thoughtseize or Inquisition of Kozilek the Altar of the Brood and if you dont want that to come back Surgical Extraction which you can cast almost for free and also mills, Sadistic sacrament slows you a lot.
Good counters for early Mana Leak Disallow Dispel Negate Remand (this one also a cantrip) Hinder has a good synergy with your deck. This deck is hard to master because you need knowledge about what kind of deck has your enemy, to know what to remove and when also you can check other decks with the same strategy, it is called "Lantern control". Lands that enter the battefield tapped slow a lot, remove Skyline Cascade,Jwar Isle Refuge,Maze of Ith doesnt give mana it may screw you and you dont really need it and it isnt modern legal
Lower the mana curve (counters,removal)
Must add discard
Must add draw cards, cantrips or things like that,
Spreading Seas destroys fetch lands and is a cantrip you may add them.
3 weeks ago
Kiora, the Crashing Wave is kinda a pet card that I've always wanted to build around and whenever I do I seem to always end up with a deck that feels more like a deck that happens to have her in it rather than a deck truly built around her... I've messed with Quest for Ula's Temple and a few gimmicky simic counter decks and they just didn't quite feel right.
I'm think really leaning towards building a turbofog brew with proliferate spells to get the -5 emblem accompanied by a Whelming Wave for a win condition. (Avoiding the typical mill strategy)
Does anyone have any thoughts on good sideboard options for simic colors to assist with noncombat oriented/combo decks?... so far Negate , Dispel and Beast Within seem to be the main things that speak to me.
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