Narset, Parter of Veils
Legendary Planeswalker — Narset
Each opponent can't draw more than one card each turn.
-2: Look at the top four cards of your library. You may reveal a noncreature, nonland card from among them and put it into your hand. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
|Have (3)||IcyLightning , Taki117 , gildan_bladeborn|
|Want (4)||Etinifni , yourfavoritenoob , ErrantBorn , BSwCDo|
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|War of the Spark (WAR)||Uncommon|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Narset, Parter of Veils Discussion
1 week ago
Lets see, You want protection for your general and board. Lightning Greaves, Swiftfoot Boots, Diplomatic Immunity, Mother of Runes/Giver of Runes, Counterspell. Swan Song, Drown in the Loch are usually the best in their field.
As far as good cards you want Serra Ascendant, Smothering Tithe, Reclamation Sage, Birds of Paradise, Rishkar's Expertise, Plaguecrafter, Guardian Project, Beast Whisperer, Narset, Parter of Veils, Triumph of the Hordes, Pathbreaker Ibex, Eldritch Evolution
1 week ago
Sorry it's been a minute but finally getting around to physically upgrading this deck.
I appreciate all of your imput and please don't think it's gone unnoted Here is the list I currently have for replacements
X - Finale of Promise - Idk what to sub...
X - Past in Flames
I know you've spent a lot of time in your previous suggestions, and I really appreciate the effort man Honestly. Would you mind taking a look at what I've come up with and see if there's any room for the X's?
About to put an order in for an upgrade on this. Kessy is going to be my first cEDH deck I wanna upgrade.
1 week ago
2 weeks ago
Titus7007 , first off thanks for the feedback homie!
As for aggro, I want to run a few scenarios by you so that you can better get an idea of what it is I am trying to do here.
Let's say everything goes perfect, and wether I am on play or draw, I turn two Callous Dismissal to bounce and make a token, turn three Teferi, Time Raveler bounce and draw a card, then turn four Fires of Invention into Role Reversal to swap the 1/1 for whatever 3-4 drop they play. Any aggro deck in the meta is gonna have a tough time playing against that. If they are low to the ground, I dont bother swapping I just drop a second walker - preferably Elspeth, Sun's Nemesis to gain life if necessary or to make two more blockers until I drop sarkhan or visitation.
Ok so everything isn't perfect, I can still turn two dismissal to slow the opponent and slam down Saheeli, Sublime Artificer and if they don't focus her down, the 1/1's she makes can help me stabilize quickly, especially if I am casting two non-creatures a turn with Fires of Invention next turn.
Let's say things are worse than even that against aggro. I play Omen of the Sea turn two, and Narset, Parter of Veils turn three. I am in a very rough spot. If the incremental life gain from Interplanar Beacon can't help me get a leg up i am prob dead in the water. Assuming I cant get to sarkahn, make a dragon, and lean on his passive, I say gg and swap out role reversal for Deafening Clarion and swap visitation for Time Wipe and hopefully games 2 and 3 go my way. Can't win em all kind of thing.
Keep in mind a majority of the cards I play create tokens so blockers are less of an issue than you think. -- a reason why I feel callous dismal should stay.
Not only that, but dismissal sets up role reversal turn three if I am on the draw, and makes a 4/4 with visitation out.(popular targets are nightmare shepherd, torbran, questing beast, ect..)
Fae of Wishes is one of the first cards I looked at when making the list and the reason I settled on a one of Karn, the Great Creator in the deck. The problem with fae is exactly what you said, it works against Narset... I feel like making the deck creatureless creates more advantages than the small amount of utility fae brings to the table.
Narset is the only real card advantage I have in the list if you don't count Omen, which I don't. She lets me more often than not get something extra I can play or get thru the deck to fires if I am missing it. Not only that but the passive is valuable and she works perfectly with both fires (making sure I dont have to get into top deck mode) and sarkahn. Being able to grab non creature spell from the board is sweet, and might warrant a second look, but not at the cost of whiffing with narset and having a little less synergy among the deck. If I do decide on fae, I will have to rebuild the deck and might consider running The Royal Scions in narsets place, but end of day that looks weaker than what I have listed currently.
Do you have your grixis friends list on tapped out? I haven't seen it (would love to tho) but I can only assume your list makes less tokens then this one does, which is why you need every removal spell you can get. Remember, more often than not I can get creatures on the board even in a list with no creatures! My 1/1's chump and get me to the late game where I can make them 4/4's from there or go over the top for tons of damage out of nowhere with sarkhan.
Divine visitation kind of needs to be in the list(however if you can think of more synergistic 5 drops let me know). Originally I ran Nicol Bolas, Dragon-God in it's place, but ran into tons of mana issues (go figure) and it didn't really perform how I wanted it to. Visitation is super synergistic. With Visitation, dismissal becomes OP, saheeli makes a 4/4 a turn(or 2 with fires out), Elspeth makes 2 4/4's twice. Plus if I draw karn and pull The Circle of Loyalty from the board things get bonkers. I like having more than just 4x sarkahn as a wincon in the list.
I don't feel running board wipes main deck makes much sense if playing b03, simply because role reversal is good against most decks. There are also things that role reversal does that most don't see coming, it says permanent, so If i give an interplanar beacon to a mono colored player, especially if I am on the play, I can throw a wrench in their plans. If I trade a used up saheeli or narset for a Nissa, Who Shakes the World that's usually GG. Swapping an Omen for an enchantment god dashes hopes and kills morale. Or my favorite, swapping a 1/1 for a creature equipped with embercleave!
As for Ashiok's Erasure I can't really get the most out of it because I run fires. It would be dead in my hand more often than not. I have considered Banishing Light but end of the day opted to jam as many walkers as I could. That and the 3 drop slot is pretty clogged up anyhow.
I have put about 4 hours on the ladder with the list on arena. I started gold 5 ( I really don't play much ranked usually draft) and after the session got to mid Gold 2. I won about 22 games and lost 5.I lost once to mono green aggro who perfect curved from pelt collector all the way into questing beast(the hardest card for my deck to recover from given all my blockers are 1/1's). I lost twice to mono black devotion ( damn cat oven, making role reversal useless with his sac outlets) once to a simic ramp list that cast nyxborn turn 4-5(I couldnt find my role reversal that game >.<), and once against mono red aggro (crazy turn three kill with run away steam kin and embercleave). I also beat each of those deck types a few times each as well!
It could be just cuz it's gold, but most everyone tried taking out the value generating walkers, allowing me to quickly stabilize, and eventually outvalue them. A quarter of the people I played against scooped when I took their best thing with role reversal. (a couple highlights are swapping a used up narset for an ashiok, the mill one, against a self mill player. stealing a simic ramp players krasis he just tapped out for, Giving a mono white life gain player an omen in exchange for heliod, and stealing a robber the rich against mono red he just equipped with embercleave at instant speed using teferi.)
So far I am having a blast with the list. I recommend you build it out on arena and give it a shot. If not that, message me your arena tag and we can play some games so you can see the list in action!!
again, thank you so much for helping and checking the list out! I look forward to playing you if you are in fact on arena!
2 weeks ago
BaneOfLordran Thanks for tagging me.
I think conceptually this can work. I certainly hate it whenever anybody steals my stuff, but I think it's a bit naked. If I were playing an aggro deck, I wouldn't attack any of your plainswalkers and I would just go for the kill. I run a ton of control in my Grixis Fires deck, which is really just a Sarkhan Superfriends with Fires, and even then I run Acolyte and Ral to copy and recur my spells. I find that I need every bit of it to stay alive. I think my main concern is that you only have four Role Reversal and if everything goes great your using it on turn four. Imo, without additional blockers or removal it's going to be too little too late.
One thing I think, and forgive me for being unoriginal, is you should remove the 4 Callous Dismissal and add 4 Fae of Wishes. I often resort to casting my first one as a blocker and she is a great two-drop for stalling aggro. I would also mainboard 4 Deafening Clarion and probably take out the Divine Visitation It's a great card, but if you've got 5 mana and Elspeth or Saheeli out, I would hope Sarkhan is providing all the beats you need. If you want to have enchantments to trade what about Ashiok's Erasure I think the middle ability would turn against you, but the spell would remain countered.
Other than, that I think if you do add Fae of Wishes, you would reconstruct the sideboard with more removal and/or plainswalkers. Instead of trading enchanments, just throw one or two Heliod's Intervention. Embercleave falls off Sarkhan every turn, so that's something to think about. Adding Fae does mean that Narset, Parter of Veils becomes a pain in the ass though, and for that reason she is cut from my deck. That's my thoughts on it. i would be interested to hear how it plays, and what you settle on.
2 weeks ago
+1 for the name. It's really crazy! :-)
Personally I would add these cards:
- Agent of Treachery - steal and steal and steal
- Mana Drain - it seems to be over the budget of this deck, but it's a great card
- Snapcaster Mage - the same as above
- Archmage's Charm - you may steel Sol Ring, Sensei's Divining Top, etc.; or you may counter / draw 2 cards
- Soldevi Excavations - scry is useful
- Narset, Parter of Veils - a bit of stax :-)
- Back to Basics - only if you want to be really mean
- Thassa, God of the Sea - devotin, scry and evasion
- and some more ramp (Sky Diamond,Arcane Signet, ...)
2 weeks ago
Instead of using Narset, Parter of Veils to prevent other players from drawing, I'd use Consecrated Sphinx with your wheeling spells and see the world burn. You may want to add something to remove hand size limits, tho :P
3 weeks ago
Hey I don't know if you are still updating this List, but I may have some ideas that may be an upgrade
Narset, Parter of Veils not exactly sure what to take out, but not let opponents draw is great
Shimmer Myr Better than Leyline in many cases, recurable with Emry
Soul-Guide Lantern Finally able to play artifact based onesided grave hate! Great new card
Riddlesmith would play rather than Vedalken Archmage. 2 Mana less und you have Grave access
Counterbalance really hard to Play against
Retract Save from Artifact Wipes, basically a Ritual with fast mana, triggering Archmage/Riddlesmith etc again on recast
Freed from the Real not a loop, but really good untapper
Drafna's Restoration at instant this would be way too good, but still very good card
Sensei's Divining Top Interactive, nearly unkillable, smooths draws
Tezzeret the Seeker Battlefield Tutor, 5 mana Reshape costs Boardpresence and finds 3 or less cmc (which is enough for combopieces) but Tezzi for 3 let's him stay on the Battlefield. Untapping Sol Ring and Vault e.g. with his +1 makes im nearly free
Corridor Monitor Not a good substitution for Mirran Spy or Chakram, but still usable. You can + on colorless mana as long as you have blue with KCI or Ashnods, as said, not nearly as good, but good enough to get some storm count to finish of opponents
I found this list from your Youtube video. Great work! I love the Budget Substitution at the end of the video. You do a really nice job with your channel! Keep going