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Deep Analysis Discussion
2 weeks ago
Thx for the comments guys, very much appreciated! :D
Gadianten I considered Army of the Damned but I honestly did not like it in here, it would create too many Zombies. Divine Reckoning , Deep Analysis and Big Game Hunter are really cool, I will consider it. The other cards are have been considered already, but as I mentioned I don't like to play Tutors or too many reanimator effects.
Skulloelegy Wow I did not know this existed, thank you I will add it immediately!
2 weeks ago
I would play more cards that interact with the draw and discard abiliy of your commander such as Army of the Damned , Deep Analysis , Divine Reckoning , Dread Return , Increasing Ambition , Unburial Rites , Dralnu, Lich Lord and Big Game Hunter .
3 weeks ago
In short, yes, there are several combo lines I don't think you're seeing. His abilities operate outside of normal permission zones, where blue tends to keep other decks in check; furthermore with the combo assembled, you can sculpt your hand during the cleaning step, abiding by rule 514.3. This makes him a lot harder to deal with. The primary combo is with Dakmor Salvage and an instant speed discard outlet, like Putrid Imp . With Gitrog on the battlefield, it sees Dakmor being discarded to the graveyard, and you replace your draw trigger with Dakmor's dredge, milling two cards. Now any one of those two cards could potentially be another land that hits the grave, which gives you an additional draw. You continue to repeat this process, netting any additional draw triggers you may get, and as soon as that trigger count = the number of cards in your library, let them resolve, drawing your deck (you can respond to any shenanigans like someone forcing to Deep Analysis with an empty library by pitching cards and Kozilek to shuffle that back in). However, if no one can interact at this point, you can dump your free mana rocks and rituals to play Skirge Familiar which now lets you make for anything you discard. With Kozilek and Gaea's Blessing you essentially have ways to shuffle your graveyard into your library ad infinitum, with primary wincons being Praetor's Grasp , or - to a lesser extent - Geth's Verdict .
2 months ago
I would cut: Caustic Caterpillar, Dawntreader Elk, Deathbringer Regent, Deathcap Cultivator, Decimator of the Provinces, Diligent Farmhand, Farhaven Elf, Golgari Raiders, Lotleth Giant, Mulldrifter,Satyr Wayfinder, Stinkweed Imp,Wood Elves, Deep Analysis, Spider Spawning, Worm Harvest, Chemister's Insight, Molderhulk, Shriekmaw, Shadowborn Demon, Night Incarnate, Deathbringer Regent
TL;DR Too much ramp, some non-synergistic cards, board wipes shouldn't be necessary if you are playing aristocrats. Some of the cards depend on casting from your hand rather than ETB. These are just my suggestions feel free to adjust as you see fit.
If I am missing something about these cards let me know. Also, you can look at my decklist if you want to here: Sidisi, Self-Mill, Surveil and Explore I just got the Golgari Guild kit so my Sidisi deck is different now.
2 months ago
The first thing I'll say is that with 21 lands, you probably can't expect to get the mana to launch Army of the Damned or a really powerful Mind Grind or Torment of Hailfire. Well, at least without Organ Harvest, of which you're only sporting one copy. (If you don't play with teammates, or if you don't play with silver-bordered cards, you might replace it with Culling the Weak.) For reference, the math on Army of the Damned is that about 1/3 of your cards are lands = 8/24, meaning you need to survive to turn 17-18 (have seen a total of 24 cards between your opening hand and your draws each turn) to hit that 8th land. That’s a long time in a Magic game.
Second, Mind Grind, while fun, is questionable here, since none of your other cards will mill your opponent. Many people play with 4 copies of many of their cards, so milling them might not cut them off from their game plan unless you mill them so much they might die. And for that, you would need more support for the mill plan or a LOT more mana. (This is possible, but a big change. Look for cards like Glimpse the Unthinkable and Mind Funeral. Otherwise, I'd cut it for cards that affect board-state or life-totals.)
Third, your overall game plan appears to be to stall in the early game for more powerful plays late, since your low cost cards are generally defensive. This means you'll want more lands in your deck so that you don't stumble on your way to those big plays. I'd remove Coral Atoll and put in four Dimir Aqueducts. It's not the ideal play, but it's cheap and there's a lot of upside if your opponent doesn't Ghost Quarter it or something. Anyways, that will take you up to 24 lands AND increase your average mana output a little more, letting you rely on 4CMC, 5CMC, and 6CMC plays to dominate the game.
Finally, on to individual cards:
Kraken Hatchling, Mausoleum Wanderer, Pharika's Chosen, and Will-o'-the-Wisp are all fine defensive one-drops, but they all do something a little different. Thornbow Archer is a little more aggressive than the rest of your deck wants, so maybe drop it and pick your favorite of those first four and add a second.
Fogwalker is okay on defense, though it's not the best two-drop out there. I'm not a fan of Olivia's Dragon, especially outside of madness/reanimator decks. Rancid Rats just doesn't offer enough oomph for the mana (skulk is not typically a very useful ability). Graf Rats is bad unless you have Midnight Scavengers, so it's really about how much you personally want to meld them. Ultimately, I'd rather replace them with better blockers like Wall of Tears, Wall of Souls, Contraband Kingpin, Dragon's Eye Savants, Gifted Aetherborn, or the absolute top-tier Baleful Strix. Other value options include Omenspeaker, Sigiled Starfish, and Augur of Bolas. Other fun options here are Surge Mare, Riptide Mangler, Lazav, the Multifarious, Fathom Feeder, and Ludevic's Test Subject Flip. Choose your favorites. Alternately, spot-removal like Doom Blade, Victim of Night, Cast Down, Go for the Throat, and sometimes Dimir Charm are pretty effective.
Wharf Infiltrator can be good sometimes. You can leave it in for fun or replace it.
Eternal Scourge has its uses, but I don't think this deck is optimized for it. Ideally you'd want a few things that can exile it from graveyard or hand, such as Gurmag Angler, Soulflayer, Tombstalker, Scavenging Ooze, Grim Lavamancer), Azor's Gateway Flip (from hand), or the most hilarious option, Serum Powder. As it stands, it's just difficult to kill outside of combat, like a bad shroud or hexproof. Honestly, I don't think you need a 3/3 to be immune to removal. Replace with a finisher, which I'll discuss in a bit. Alternately, one of my favorite defensive 3CMC creatures is Graveblade Marauder, since its offensive capabilities can rapidly increase.
Markov Crusader isn't actually very good even in the rare case when you do have another vampire, and you only have one other one. Compare to 4CMC utility wunderkind Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet, 5CMC finishers (like Archfiend of Depravity, Glyph Keeper, Ob Nixilis, the Fallen, Vengeful Pharaoh, and maybe even Serra Sphinx), and 6CMC game-winners (like Noxious Gearhulk, Dread, Kokusho, the Evening Star, Wurmcoil Engine, Grave Titan, or even Vengeant Vampire, though that last one is much worse than the others). Sure, none do exactly what Markov Crusader does, but some are close and they all have incredible upsides. Even something like Shriekmaw might ultimately gain you more life by just killing something outright, plus it's super-flexible. Heck, Soul Ransom and Mind Control are strong cards too, at least against creature decks. Anyways, Markov Crusader is a card to replace.
Midnight Scavengers is okay, especially if you have a lot of disposable deathtouchers to bring back, but it still doesn't compare favorably to the above finishers unless you really want to meld it with Graf Rats. Remember, doing things you want to do is an important part of MTG. But if you don't care to meld, I'd look to replace it.
Ob Nixilis, Unshackled is fine. In most cases it doesn't compare favorably to the 6CMC critters above, but it has its uses. If you've got a lot of little deathtouchers (Pharika's Chosen, Typhoid Rats, Dire Fleet Poisoner, it can grow really out of hand. Also, Field of Ruin forces a library search.
Elder Deep Fiend is fine. Usually you play it in a deck that has plenty of creatures you don't mind (or are better off) sacrificing (for example, Priest of the Blood Rite, Relentless Dead, Doomed Dissenter, Stormbound Geist/Geralf's Messenger), then you emerge it early and tap down lands. That's not really your plan here, so it's probably not the best choice. Some good choices for replacements are above, but within the category of emerge creatures, I think Distended Mindbender fits your deck better.
Organ Harvest is a powerful card, but has some drawbacks. Most importantly, a lot of people don't play with or against silver-bordered cards. They're not legal in any official tournaments. Tournament legal variations are Dark Ritual, Culling the Weak, and Ashnod's Altar. Other than that, it's a card that is useless in many situations and completely changes what you're able to do when you actually can make use of it, and that can be awkward from a strategy perspective. If you don't have creatures, you can't cast it. If you don't have a big spell in your hand, you don't need to cast it and you'd rather have almost any other card. So it wants your deck to be full of disposable creatures and big spells, like an emerge deck or a zombie deck really making use of Army of the Damned and From Under the Floorboards. But for the most part that is not this deck, so unless you want to build around the card, I'd remove it, either replacing it with Dark Ritual which is always useful when drawn early, or something else that's cheap and effective: Dead Weight, Apathy, Doom Blade, Pharika's Chosen, or whatever.
Sorcerous Sight is worse than Peek and Gitaxian Probe, but I don't think any of those are particularly good in your deck. If you want to know what's in your opponent's hand, play Telepathy. Otherwise, there's better card draw: Preordain and Ponder are the best cheap spells, but it might be worth spending more mana for more effect with Sign in Blood or Chart a Course.
Cemetery Recruitment isn't particularly good with so few zombies. You can add more zombies, or switch to Ghoulcaller's Chant/Find / Finality/Recover/Disturbed Burial/Death Denied to simulate the effect, or just do card advantage the old-fashioned way, with stuff like Sign in Blood/Consult the Necrosages/Read the Bones/Notion Rain/Secrets of the Golden City. Alternately, shred your opponent's hand (and lose friends) with Hymn to Tourach or punch your opponent for cards with Shadowmage Infiltrator. If you're committed to bringing creatures back from the dead, look to Zombify, Extract from Darkness, or Isareth the Awakener, which can randomly run away with the game if your opponent doesn't have an answer. The most efficient reanimation spell is Unburial Rites, but you'd need to splash white for it to be better than the above options.
Contingency Plan doesn't actually net you any cards in hand; you just control what you are going to draw later. Since you're not very graveyard-focused, there's little benefit. The more flexible version is Dimir Charm, and the more powerful version is Lim-Dul's Vault. If you want to stack the top of your deck for 2CMC without wasting a card to do it, there's Diabolic Vision, but the 1CMC Preordain and Ponder are worthy as well. Alternately, raw card advantage is an option. Any of the options I've already listed are fine, but here are some more: Chemister's Insight, Foresee, Deep Analysis.
Mind Grind attacks on an irrelevant axis. Recommend replacing it with a finisher unless you add more mill. If you want a non-creature finisher, Ob Nixilis Reignited is pretty cool. If you just want something that can't get Murdered, there's Sphinx of Jwar Isle.
Torment of Hailfire is possibly workable if you go to 24 lands with Dimir Aqueducts. X=3 is pretty much the bare minimum, and if they have cards in hand even that might not be enough. This is a possible swap for a finisher, as above.
Army of the Damned is hard to cast at 8CMC. Recommend replacing it with a cheaper finisher unless you're all about Organ Harvest.
Apathy is pretty decent at 1CMC. Probably not as good as just casting Doom Blade/Go for the Throat to kill the thing, but definitely more interesting and fun. It can stay in, though swapping it for something more reliable is technically the correct decision.
Strange Augmentation is bad in your deck. While +3/+3 for 1CMC is fine in a very aggressive deck, that doesn't seem like your game plan. Ideally, your finishers are big enough to win without the extra P/T. If they're not, these could be replaced with kill spells to make sure they are.
Tormod's Crypt is useless unless you frequently play against graveyard-based decks. Even then, with only one in the deck, you're in bad shape. I'd swap it for Relic of Progenitus or Sentinel Totem if you really need graveyard hate. If a creature is reliable against those graveyard decks, Deadeye Tracker, Nezumi Graverobber, or Withered Wretch can do some work. Agent of Erebos is another option. If the only things you need to exile are creatures, then Cemetery Reaper, Dimir Doppelganger, and the powerful Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet are options. Otherwise, cheap kill spells, counterspells, or even more expensive exiling removal (e.g. Sever the Bloodline, Silence the Believers) are options. Phyrexian Scriptures is another card I'll mention, just 'cause it does lots of stuff.
Nevinyrral's Disk is pretty good. Go ahead and keep that in there.
Gridlock is okay, but it's basically a Darkness you can use aggressively. I think Sleep is generally better at that. Alternately, if you want a mass-defense spell, Yahenni's Expertise, Languish, and Damnation are the go-to sweepers.
Outwit is way too narrow; most decks don't target players. (The primary exceptions are burn and mill, so if you play against them a lot, it might be fine.) If you want a dollar-cost-effective counterspell in that slot, play Counterspell or MAYBE Dimir Charm for flexibility.
Murder is fine. (Card-wise, not morally!) Technically Hero's Downfall is better if you can get one.
Liliana Vess is fine, but she's a little slow. I'm not sure whether she's better or worse in this deck than Jace, Unraveler of Secrets, Ob Nixilis Reignited, Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath, or even Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver. My inclination is that those are stronger as you increase the median quality of the cards in your deck (making Vess's -2 less important).
Here's one inexpensive, somewhat-boring take:
2x Glyph Keeper
1x Liliana Vess
2x Dimir Charm
2x Doom Blade
2x Agony Warp
3x Notion Rain
That's just one take on the general strategy. Ultimately, (I think) you're playing Dimir Midrange, and so you're looking for about 40% (24) lands, 30% (18) things that keep you alive until you have 4-6 mana, 20% (12) things that kill your opponent and are themselves hard to kill, and 10% (6) things that put you ahead on cards just in case you're not drawing the right part of your deck.
2 months ago
Arcan1s_666, that's a very good question. I'm honestly not sure - I have something of a mental loop where I try to think about what to replace, and then I just go back to "But the Invocation Doomsday looks so pretty and flavorful!"
But honestly it would likely be more interaction first and foremost. Maybe more draw that doesn't rely on discard.
The full Doomsday package is: Doomsday, Laboratory Maniac, Lion's Eye Diamond, Gitaxian Probe, Gush, Deep Analysis and Yawgmoth's Will. Yawgwin is too good to remove on its own, so that stays regardless (even though the foil is going to cost me...). Gush is also pretty great. So is Deep Analysis. So we really only have ~4 cards to play with.
My Maybeboard is pretty filled with ideas. The biggest weakness of the deck right now is lack of creature defenses. I have some, but not a lot. Evacuation would be a great include - I would get to re-cast Bolas, and most of my opponents get hosed worse just because I'm so creature-light. And it's instant speed, which is always a bonus. Warped Devotion and Words of Wind would be interesting. Devotion hits me too, though, so it's still iffy. I keep wanting to run it (I already own a couple foils, it's cheap), but I need to have a good density of bounce and some way to make sure I'm not suffering worse. I suppose I'm not running a ton of permanents and that might be helpful. Archfiend of Depravity might be nice too, to help keep the enemy creature count low.
Of course, a different combo would also be possible. Worldgorger Dragon, likely with Flash as an enabler, works with Animate Dead and ETB-untapped lands to generate infinite mana. As long as you can stop the loop (usually by reanimating something else), you can make infinite mana for a Torment of Hailfire win. It's compact, uses mostly cards that are not dead outside of the combo, but it's also pretty risky and vulnerable to interaction - it generates mana for opponents too if they have ETB-untapped lands.
Lastly, I could just add a few more tutors. Getting Geth's Grimoire or Waste Not on the field is pretty important to the rest of the deck. Tutors help with that, and with finding the win condition when it's time.
Those are my current thoughts, anyway.
2 months ago
In terms of what to cut, Crab Umbra does protect your commander from a board wipe and lets you untap, but it doesn't help with Dralnu's painful downside and there are more efficient ways to untap your commander. Corrupted Conscience also seems a bit random in your deck, since it doesn't really synergize with anything, though it's still a powerful card. Unwind seems like the weakest and narrowest of your counters, of which you already plenty. Nightveil Sprite is a great card in 60-card constructed, but might fall short in a multi-player, 100-card format.
Great deck! I do not look forward to playing against you...
3 months ago
Hi TheGiantCrab, welcome to the format! I hope you like it. Commander is sort of a different place than other formats, starting at 40 life and all. Games almost always go long (unless you are playing cEDH), and that leads to some interesting conclusions about deck building. I am a strong believer in the views expressed by the command zone podcast (an awesome resource for all things commander); every commander deck should play a critical mass of ramp and card draw. With that said, I think your deck would be improved with a sort of structural change to include a bunch of both. Here are some of my favorites for under $2 each:
That's the sort of idea anyway. I usually play around 10-15 ramp spells and 8-10 card advantage spells. I think that Sol Ring is an auto-include, it's worth the small increase in cost for me at least. There are tons of other great cards out there, I highly suggest taking a look at EDHREC to get some ideas (I just checked it out, Curiosity is a crazy example I never would have thought of). Some of the cards there can be kind of expensive, feel free to ignore those to keep the budget low. Here's a couple more cards to think about, as personal favorites of mine:
Ixidron - This can get your opponent's commanders stuck facedown forever.
Blasphemous Act - A little high in price. Great when you are behind though.
If you want help with cuts, I can provide some feedback, feel free to ask.
Deep Analysis occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%
U/R (Izzet): 0.08%
U/B/R (Grixis): 0.05%