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Ash Barrens Discussion
2 weeks ago
So I modified your list a bit, but I don't know if you want to see it. I'll offer some suggestions and leave a list at the bottom if you're interested in what it could look like.
I'd cut Hooting Mandrills. You're deck seems more interested in getting Threshold online. This card is contrary to that strategy and I think you found your beatdown body in Arrogant Wurm, which is just strictly better with trample.
After testing Rites of Refusal, I think it is just too cute and clunky. I found that this iteration of the deck doesn't run enough pure card advantage to justify "2-for-1"ing yourself. 8 counterspells may be enough anyway, but if you feel like you could use more, running Counterspell or Daze aren't bad options. They come with a little risk, not being mono U, but could be worth it.
I think you can cut Werebear. Breaks my heart to suggest it, but it might be risky to over-saturate your deck with threshold creatures. He's more vulnerable than Nimble Mongoose in the early game and I've already mentioned that the Arrogant Wurm seems like your 4/4 of choice. You aren't an aggro deck so, rather than just throwing a ton of 4/4's in the opponent's face, the tempo deck's concern is laying down select threats in the early to mid game and protecting/disrupting your way to victory.
I've found that with Careful Study and other looting effects, I'd rather have card advantage that gave me more to discard to cards like Waterfront Bouncer and Wild Mongrel. Accumulated Knowledge or Deep Analysis are good cards for stocking your hand to give strength to your discard engines.
Merfolk Looter and Obsessive Search feel super good in conjunction. The looter offers another instant speed dicard outlet that isn't as mana hungry as Waterfront Bouncer and, when combined with madness, it reads "tap: draw a card." Obsessive Search offers increased value to your discard engines and helps you to dig for relevant cards.
Consider Just the Wind. It's effectively a Vapor Snag in your deck which is a tempo staple in pauper. It can clear the way for attacks or save one of your own creatures while fizzling a removal spell.
AEther Tradewinds is another card I was looking at. This can bounce back pesky non-creature that dodged one of your counterspells the first time. Once again, fizzles removal while tempoing your opponent. Also, never hurts to have Basking Rootwalla back in hand.
Lastly, I toyed around with a mana base that is slightly slower but much more consistent. Ash Barrens and Thornwood Falls offer you fixing. Simic Growth Chamber does this as well and allows you the ability to cut back on lands (as one Growth chamber is effectively two lands on one card). Being able to bounce back a basic you no longer need to discard to one of your engines, all while hitting your land drop, is also not half bad.
Deck List: UG Madness Sample Deck
PS. Let me know if you have any sideboard questions.
3 weeks ago
Couldn't disagree more with most of these suggestions, bouncelands are fantastic in this and most landfall decks. You want to be returning lands to your hand as often as possible and since Amulet of Vigor is in this deck, a lot of the time your bouncelands don't even come in tapped meaning you get to utilize the land you are bouncing and the bounceland itself for mana. Basics are needed for Ash Barrens, Thawing Glaciers, Harrow, Rampant Growth, Kodama's Reach, Cultivate, Nissa, Vastwood Seer Flip, Sakura-Tribe Elder, Khalni Heart Expedition.
Primeval Bounty IS slow and durdly, I'll give you that, but then again, this deck isn't looking to win a game on display at Laboratory Maniacs. It's designed to have fun based around landfall triggers, and it does a good job at that. You certainly could make an argument for adding shocks/fetches to a landfall deck, but if you did that to this one you'd have to basically do an overhaul of the deck to change out a lot of the cards that I mentioned as this deck needs a lot of basics.
3 weeks ago
Sweet deck! If you do decide to play Ponder and Brainstorm, I would cut 6 or so Islands from the deck and add in 4 Ash Barrens and 1 or 2 Evolving Wilds for ways to shuffle away cards from your cantrips. +1!
1 month ago
I would consider dropping Evolving Wilds and reducing Blossoming Sands to 2x, then add 4x Ash Barrens. This deck absolutely needs it's lands to come in untapped. Ash Barrens gives you the flexibility of either an untapped land if you already have the colors you need, or the equivalent of coming in tapped if you need to fetch a color. Since there aren't any dual color costs in any of your spells, that makes Ash Barrens the perfect land for this deck's color fixing.
I'd also consider going 4x on the Suture Priest, as that gives you an immediate win-con, rather than having to wait until the next turn to swing with your 1/1 elves.
1 month ago
For budget color fixing you could run the fetch lands from Mirage: Flood Plain, Bad River, & Grasslands. They come out tapped, but that also makes them affordable. You could also run the Bant Panorama since are your most common colors, but I wouldn't run the other panorama fetch lands. Also, you can add more cards that have Basic Landcycling. You already have Ash Barrens, but you could also run something like Sylvan Reclamation, which could be used for either landcycling or it's normal effect. Wayfarer's Bauble has a similar effect to basic landcycling except it really does ramp you, and Expedition Map can be used to tutor Seaside Citadel. Kodama's Reach would help significantly. Then there are also the staple Burnished Hart and Solemn Simulacrum that can also chump-block on behalf of your planeswalkers. You could also do with 1 less land, 38 is probably good for your Mana curve. When removing lands, first go for lands that don't produce mana on their own like Darkwater Catacombs, and then lands that cost mana to play as if they were a spell, like Rupture Spire, and then start removing ones that come out tapped no matter what you do like Meandering River versus Glacial Fortress. Opal Palace would be a great way to play your commander and imediately have a counter on her.
Also consider Thalia's Lancers since they can now tutor any planeswalker now that all planeswalkers are legendary. As well as Call the Gatewatch, Deploy the Gatewatch, Djeru, With Eyes Open, & Arena Rector.
1 month ago
I'd recommend adding an Ash Barrens over either a swamp or evolving wilds or terramorphic expanse. I'm not huge fans of those cards anymore. Ash Barrens is nearly strictly better because it does still tap for mana if you need it to.