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Empty the Warrens
Create two 1/1 red Goblin creature tokens.
Storm (When you cast this spell, copy it for each spell cast before it this turn.)
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Empty the Warrens Discussion
1 day ago
Thanks so much for all the comments! WOW!
I've played a bunch of matches with Blood Moon #5 in sideboard, but my match-ups vs. the three-color decks are all good enough that I don't think it's the best use of a sideboard slot for this deck.
Gut Shot's is amazing vs. mana dorks on T1-2, but for anything else and for any turn after that, I like Sudden Shock and Lightning Bolt much better. And to get Gut Shot on T1-2 I'd want to run it as at least a 3-of.
I really like the idea of Pithing Needle, but I personally haven't done enough studying/gotten enough reps in with it to use it effectively. I suspect you'll see it in my board this time next year though!
Funny you should ask about Trin' vs. Affinity. I hadn't been bringing it in at, since they can usually dump their hand before it comes online. But I was thinking it could be REALLY effective, so I've been trying it out in lately ... which is why I just pulled the Shatterstorm lol!
Ok, I'm totally embarrassed I never thought of Crumble to Dust! That's EXACTLY what I'm trying to do with Surgical Extraction but Crumble does it so much better it's not even funny. Thanks so much!
Chalice of the Void is amazing, but I like the fact I can still easily cast though Trinisphere. Plus you're right on the budget ... it'd be a solid investment, but the cost prevents me from using it anytime in the near future.
Eidolon of the Great Revel though? That's a VERY intriguing option, and one I had never considered. Thanks so much!
I love Trinisphere too, and I've been amazed at how useful it is vs a wide range of decks. Against Storm though, I like your idea of Trin' + Gravehate.
Surgical Extraction is actually great as a "generic" sideboard card. It gain us a ton of information, stops every Lightning Bolt/Thoughtseize/whatever after the first, blanks Snapcaster Mage's Flashback ability, nerfs Tarmagoyf, and generally messes with Graveyard decks. And though it's an edge case, you can also use it to reduce the chance of late-game mana flood by hitting your own Fetchland. So when I started thinking about how to beat Titan Shift, it was the first card that came to mind. All that said though, I agree that Crumble to Dust and some better Graveyard hate is MUCH better for what this deck wants to do!
Yeah, every single time I face Burn I think about you and Big Robot! I did a TON of testing a while back with Huntmaster of the Fells Flip in the main, but I'm embarrassed to say I never really thought about him in sideboard. That's really interesting, and I'll give him a hard look.
I love Beast Within but I don't like seeing it in my opening hand, so I'm not inclined to bump it up to 4x in my 75. If I've got the space though, I know there are enough Planeswalkers, and big beaters (in Colorless, Black, and Green) in the match-up list above to justify Beast #3. We'll see ...
As always, thanks so much!
Yeah, my mainboard is VERY much optimized for the Death's Shadow match-up, and I've absolutely sacrificed some percentage points vs. Burn to do so. I think that's the right meta call ... though I of course won't know for sure until it's too late! :-D
And I totally agree on the goodness of Blood Moon vs. Boros and Naya Burn. I learned that the hard way early on, when I had the opportunity to cast a Blood Moon in First Main, chose not to (so I could use the mana for something else in Second Main), and promptly died to Deflecting Palm. Oops!
That's a really good point on keeping Sweepers post-board vs. Storm for Empty the Warrens. Thanks!
I'm not sure who first taught me about mul'ing aggressively, but it's once I've passed on to others as well. There's one big exception though: When facing a bunch of hand disruption. I'd MUCH rather keep a meh 7, than mul' to an amazing 5 ... which turns into a meh 4 on my opponent's T1!
Thragtusk is a superb card, but I like Obstinate Baloth better for this deck. Mostly because it's lower on curve but also because its Discard-to-Battlefield effect is randomly useful. Plus, Death's Shadow is already an easy match-up.
Yeah, I keep coming back to Scooze as my favorite Graveyard hate too. I think you'll see it when I update!
I love Anger of the Gods vs. Dredge too (I pulled it out of my sideboard a while back, only because Dredge kind of died off locally). But yours and other comments here have me liking it more and more ...
Idk on Eidolon of the Great Revel yet either ... I look forward to figuring out an opinion though!
Good point ... there may actually be more variance here than data!
Other points I try to keep in mind are the timing of my wins and losses (I'm still pretty new to the deck, so plenty of the losses were punts and clueless sideboarding) and the casual-ness of my meta (plenty of the wins were against people testing new cards, rather than against the finely tuned decks they'll be bringing to a PPTQ)
Thanks though for the reminder!
Thank you all again! I REALLY appreciate the time y'all invested in making my deck better!
2 days ago
I'll start by saying that in my experience Ponza is as flexible as you want it to be against certain matchups in a perceived meta. That being said, I'm not a huge fan of how your posted MD is set up, which may be why you're having more trouble against certain decks than I've had. I run MD Tragtusk, Baloth and primal command in my version, and combined with the 2nd baloth and Scooze from the side I've never felt like burn was terribly bad. I never side out blood moon vs them since it cuts off most of their SB options along with their best 2cmc burn spells, which has often given me the time to finish games against them. I think if you are expecting burn (which you should in a larger event), some MD changes would be your best bet.
I have a great record against tron decks, with the exception of blue tron. I run a single Crumble to Dust in the SB and don't dedicate any other slots to the archtype. I prioritize keeping a fast hand with minimal disruption (at least 1 LD spell) over a heavy LD hand with no threats since they have inevitability about getting lands into play since that is what half of the cards in their deck do.
Against aggro decks, Inferno titan has been all I needed. I've found Beast Within to be lacking when it functions as creature removal. I'm considering running a single Dismember in the SB though since the occasional oddball creature ruins my day (it was a Predator Ooze this past week that did me in). Against storm, the most important thing to do is kill their cost-reducing creatures. Again, Dismember helps here and running 2 trinispheres wouldn't be bad against control decks either. Mass grave hate also makes it tough for them to win. Make sure to keep in your sweepers for the SB games since they'll often go more all-in on the Empty the Warrens plan.
I'm always going to run 3x Ancient Grudge since affinity is tough, and it randomly hoses the thoper sword combo decks and lantern control as well.
I don't like Surgical Extraction in this deck as the only grave hate. I run a mix of relics and Scoozes to help in the matches that I need the hate. Along with the primal command in the main it's enough if you open with one or more of them.
Hope I've been able to help. The best thing I've learned is not to be afraid to mull a slow hand. Turn 3 fatty after a turn 2 LD spell is the goal, so aim for it.
1 week ago
Yes you can.
From the wiki:
As off November 16, 2016, ten cards are banned in Pauper tournaments:
No cards are restricted in Pauper tournaments.
1 week ago
Sorry for the delayed response. Depending on your budget there's a few cards I'd consider.
As far as what to consider removing, I'd actually look to reduce the number of copies of Grapeshot and Empty the Warrens. Combined with your big creatures, you run the risk of getting flooded with win conditions and losing the game before they can become relevant.
1 week ago
Seems like you have a lot going on here but some of these spells seem either very low power or don't do much doubled.
Some suggestions to add:
- Artifact Mutation
- Atarka's Command
- Frenzied Tilling
- Animist's Awakening
- Dragon Fodder
- Empty the Warrens
Some things you may want to take out:
- Farseek + Nature's Lore there are much better land search options and you already have a ton
- Blighted Woodland, Evolving Wilds is a better use of this slot imho
- Sylvan Advocate you have nothing that makes land creatures so this seems a waste Imperious Perfect would give you something about the same size and give you more tokens to conspire with.
- Autumn's Veil not useful to conspire with and very niche
Fall of the Titans this seems to be a very inefficient burn spell compared to many other options
1 week ago
"They struggle with my Mizzix & Daretti" I think most groups struggle vs these, neither is any slouch. Daretti ult is just game over... and he provides awesome long term power even if he never ults. I am a bit surprised you want neheb storm when you have mizzix which is usually storm or at least spellslinger which doesn't seem that different.
If you can't bring them to your level and want a different approach to this deck perhaps aggro/tokens is the way to go? It isn't spells like mizzix and it isn't recursion like daretti. There are many token engines that like lots of mana that neheb easily powers and going wide gets damage through to feed neheb.
If you still want red storm Aetherflux Reservoir is a start. Here are the storm cards I would consider: Empty the Warrens, Grapeshot, Haze of Rage, Ignite Memories. Though with neheb I would say empty and haze are useless for a game finish. Red does have a quite a few draw a card 1 cmc cards like Crash Through these could do a lot for storm.
2 weeks ago
i really like this deck. +1 from me. i dont play EDH, but i want to, how fun is it? do you know any GOOD budget builds that incorporate my favorite colors, Blue, red, and black, in that order are my favorite to play. I was thinking about narset or nekusar for a while but narsets expensive for what i want to do, and i dont like the idea of sitting there playing wheel spells and draw cards all day, i dont care if it ALWAYS wins or not, but i want to have fun... and maybe crush a few souls along the way. anyways, i love how you put the card quotes, it actually made your deck interesting to look at. have you thought of any storm cards like Mind's Desire or Temporal Fissure or even the classical Empty the Warrens and Grapeshot. since you have thngs to net you a ton of plays, whether by mana or the broken epic expiriment.
2 weeks ago
It would be helpful in evaluating the deck if your description actually went in to more detail about your intended game plan and the interactions that the deck is built around. Without that information, it's hard to evaluate some of your choices.
Also, there's a lot of card choices here that are not great EDH cards. In some ways, this list looks a lot like if what you'd get if you took a reasonable 60-card constructed Izzet spells deck and brought it up to 100 cards by adding similar versions of the stuff that was great in the 60 card deck. Things like Rift Bolt, Vapor Snag, Delver of Secrets Flip and Monastery Swiftspear tend to be much worse in EDH than in normal games for a couple reasons:
- As a 40-life format, they're almost trivial when pointed at face. Shock only does the work of Gut Shot.
- Since the format tends to be slower, mana pools are larger and cheap, efficent spells that are so good in 60-card are massively outclassed by more powerful, more flexible options at higher CMCs. That's not to say that running a handful of cheap removals or counters isn't good, but you run a few of them to deal with very specific must-answer threats. They're not your bread and butter.
I'd also recommend cutting Browbeat. In EDH, nobody is really too sad to take 5. If you want to draw 3 cards, Treasure Cruise is just going to be insanely better. Mana Leak and Censor are probably going to be dead a huge portion of the time as well. Slightly more expensive hard counters are generally going to be better (or something like Arcane Denial, which is really good in EDH.
In terms of mana base, you probably want more mana rocks, too. While your average CMC isn't very high, your payoff cards are all pretty expensive and in a lot of cases, you're going to need to be casting a bunch of spells in a turn to really get things done. At the very least, I'd recommend adding Sol Ring and Izzet Signet. You might also consider something like Mind Stone or maybe even Dreamstone Hedron.
All that out of the way, there's some cards you might consider adding:
- Aetherflux Reservoir is a really common EDH storm-style deck win con. You don't need to gain much life to kill a player with it.
- Blasphemous Act is one of the best red board wipes (not sure if it'd be in budget or not)
- Burnished Hart is an all-around great ramp card
- Charmbreaker Devils is a huge threat that also gives you more spells to cast
- Docent of Perfection Flip fills a similar role to Talrand, which is one of the best cards in the deck already
- Echo Mage is an option for spell copying if you want to go really deep (probably the worst copier of what I've listed here)
- Empty the Warrens can flood the board pretty efficiently at the end of a big turn
- Insidious Will is a great counterspell in EDH
- Mana Geyser is absurdly broken in multiplayer EDH. It's more broken online where people tap out to F8, but it's still pretty good and can lead to an absurd Comet Storm.
- Nivix Guildmage is another way to copy spells wherever you need a mana sink
- Red Sun's Zenith is a repeatable Fireball
- Reverberate is incredibly flexible and cheap enough to be able to hold up easily
- Rise from the Tides is frequently a "board wipe or bust" level card in these kinds of decks
- Rite of Replication may be out of budget, but can win games on its own
- Seething Song is basically a free spells for triggering any of your payoff cards and can ramp to bigger X spells
- Spelltwine gives you 3 spell casts on its own
- Sphinx-Bone Wand gives incidental damage as you cast spells. You can frequently kill an opponent in one big turn with it.
- Temporal Fissure can utterly blow people out at the end of a big turn
- Treasure Cruise is legal in EDH and still utterly busted
- Volcanic Vision can be a one-sided board wipe
- Wild Ricochet is a super fun card in this sort of deck
Good luck with the deck :)