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Empty the Warrens
Create two 1/1 red Goblin creature tokens.
Storm (When you cast this spell, copy it for each spell cast before it this turn.)
Empty the Warrens Discussion
3 days ago
Mainly Improvements I think you can make / Problems that I've found / Why this is a bad storm deck | Skip to the bottom for the Conclusion
3 BIG PROBLEMS > Mana, Consistency, and Modern itself
I will preface this with a statement, Modern HATES Storm. Almost all of the storm cards that Modern used to play are banned. Seething Song , Rite of Flame , Treasure Cruise , Dig Through Time , Ponder , Preordain , Faithless Looting , and Gitaxian Probe are all banned because of Storm and their use in or / storm decks. A lot of what I'll say will have relevance to Modern, but Storm is best in Vintage with access to the older Storm Cards. Some of the CARDS I mention will only be legal in Vintage, but the ideas/problems with this deck all have relevance to Modern
Differences I've found
Storm needs mana to do all the things it does. Do you know why Seething Song and Rite of Flame are banned? Because Storm took them and won on turn 1-2 and then kept winning on turn 1-2. However, because those things are banned, we need a compromise: Cards that make mana. Cards like Manamorphose , Desperate Ritual , and Pyretic Ritual can all get you the Generic portion of spells.
A difference between this deck and most Storm decks is that a) it doesn't win with Tendrils of Agony , which, although a black card, is way more efficient than Grapeshot but I'll talk about Winning later b) the cards that up the storm count don't do anything. Your Memnites, Ornithopters, and Darksteel Relics don't do anything on their own, they just cost 0. In other Storm decks, cards like Serum Visions , Manamorphose , Opt , and Deep Analysis all draw more cards while being cheap and upping the storm count.
Storm can win through other things too. Things like I dunno, creatures that DO things. Delver of Secrets Flip, Thing in the Ice Flip, and Baral, Chief of Compliance all a) do things and b) can ATTACK (Well, not Baral). If your Storm count fizzles, you still have a 3/2 flyer or a 7/8. Also, fizzling. In this deck, it's not so bad because your win condition is Aetherflux Reservoir , but fizzling is either because of a) not cards in hand or b) no mana. I've playtested this deck a few times, and what happens is I'm either top-decking, or I have no lands, both of which are TERRIBLE for a storm deck. This deck barely wins before turn 7-9, which in Modern is abysmally bad.
Your Win-Condition. You chose probably the hardest win condition in Storm. In a perfect game, where all the spells to setup are cast WHILE Aetherflux Reservoir is in play, you need to cast 8 spells to get to >50 life (56 to be exact; 20+1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8=56). So before you start going off, you need to get 4 mana and then live long enough to untap. It is very possible to get to 8 spells, but in this deck, it isn't. The way you cast spells, and the way those spells let you cast other spells means that you'll almost never have enough cards in hand to win. The ONLY line that I see is, yes, Retract , but that bounces Aetherflux Reservoir too, and we just spent 4 mana putting that thing in play. Even if we put Aetherflux into play again, we need 4 zero mana artifacts that WEREN'T in play last turn, which isn't impossible per se. So the things that this deck needs to win are a) Aetherflux Reservoir ALREADY IN PLAY b) Retract in hand c) 4 zero mana artifacts in hand d) Mana to both cast Retract AND Aetherflux Reservoir and e) a life total of at least 15. That's 5 things that this deck needs. 5 things in ONE HUNDRED CARDS!? Also, Aetherflux Reservoir isn't even a 4-of??! Not only would making you draw it easier, but 2 Aetherfluxes in play is not that bad if your win condition is >50 life. For storm it's bad, but for this, it's okay (Keep in mind a good thing in a bad deck is bad).
So, Aetherflux Reservoir sucks. What else is there?
PROS: 1) Can be cast multiple times throughout the game. The difference with Tendrils and Reservoir is that Reservoir is all or nothing; you NEED >50 life to win. Tendrils can be cast multiple times to win. If you cast tendrils for only say StormCount™ is 4, that's 8 life down for our opponent. Then, you can keep casting it. Maybe later you cast it for StormCount™ 5, that's 10 life down and 10 life gained. It's also a better thing for fizzling. If you even think you're going to fizzle, keep mana for tendrils. Tendrils should always be the last thing you cast each turn to maximize the StormCount™ 2) It's efficient. For the same mana cost as Reservoir, you get an immediate effect that drains your opponent. Also, each life that our opponent loses is great for us because instead of us gaining life, we're draining our opponent. In a format of Fetches and Shocks, 2 life is very easy to lose. Each 2 life our opponent loses is 1 less copy of tendrils we need.
CONS: 1) It's black, and quite a bit at that. We need 2 black mana to cast this thing. But, cards like Manamorphose , the Moxen that you have, Black Dual Lands, Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth or even just good old fashion Basic Swamp are all better than what you have right now. 16 Basics + 6 Basic Fetches is a lot for Modern. I know you're playing 100 cards, but that is still a lot. No Scalding Tarn s? No Fiery Islet s? Not even playing other duals? The Fast Lands, the Pain Lands, The Battle Lands, The Check Lands? All of these are not only but have black variants too.
PROS: 1) Cheaper, only needing to cast 2) Already in your colors / In the deck, so just needs more copies 3) Hits creatures to make way for creature damage to get through 4) Great support Card, makes Tendrils better by needing fewer copies and can chip away at a life total and help your creatures kill your opponent
CONS: 1) Really inefficient. You need to one-for-one your opponent's life total with StormCount™ if this is the MAIN win-con
PROS: 1) Cheap, needing to cast and already in your colors 2) Mill is a lot easier in Modern than Commander. Not only is every card our opponent draws good for us, but they only have ~60 cards to mill 3) Goes great with High Tide WHICH YOU SHOULD DEFINITELY BE PLAYING TO HELP YOUR AWFUL MANA
CONS: 1) Also pretty inefficient, milling 3 per StormCount™. However, unlike Grapeshot, players are constantly drawing cards and are probably drawing more than 1 per turn. 2) Completely dies to "Shuffle your graveyard into your library..." effects, so probably not a main win-con, but something to keep cards away from your opponents by milling them
PROS: 1) Very powerful at high storm count. Even with low storm count, if you can hit a Tendrils, a Grapeshot, or another Mind's Desire, then you can not only keep adding to the StormCount™ but kill your opponent 2) Adds to the StormCount™ because you cast the card
CONS: 1) A bit expensive mana-wise, but if you can be making mana with rituals or casting High Tide , then it's no problem
PROS: 1) On Color, Average cost 2) It makes a lot of creatures that can attack OR block. Also, unlike Awoken Horror , it is very hard to block all of them at once
CONS: 1) Summoning Sickness
CONCLUSION Read this if you only care about what I think of the deck and not on improvements
Honestly, the deck sucks. Aetherflux Reservoir is slow enough on its own, but the mana base, the support cards, and the number of cards make it even worse. With 100 cards, you can almost never get the pieces to fall into place right. You have very little card-draw and none of your cards replace themselves. You have to wait to at least turn 4 to cast Reservoir, and before that, you can't do anything. You can't cast your Memnite on turn 1 because that's less card to have on turn 4-5 when you have Aetherflux. Waiting until turn 4-5 to dump your hand of do-nothings is not the best. A hand dump of anything is probably not great, but in this deck of cards that don't replace themselves, it's extra bad. You'll almost never have enough cards after a hand dump. 1/3 of your deck is 0 mana artifacts. 1 card does anything on its own and you only have two copies of it. Mox Opal is the only card of the THIRD of your deck that does anything on its own. Mox Amber can only tap for mana if you have one of only FIVE legendary creatures/planeswalkers in play. With 100 cards, that never happens. Memnite and Ornithopter are never winning a game on their own in this deck. Darksteel Relic has no activated abilities. If Everflowing Chalice and Astral Cornucopia are 0 mana artifacts, then they also have no activated abilities. Paradise Mantle needs a creature. Spellbook does basically nothing because you aren't drawing cards. A lot of the other cards don't do anything either. I don't know why you are playing 100 cards if not a lot of them do things.
Unwinding Clock - What are you untapping that you need on your opponent's turn?
Isochron Scepter - a total of 12 cards and they are Vandalblast , which is NOT main-deck playable, Grapeshot , Rapid Hybridization , Dramatic Reversal , which, while it does untap the Sceptor, does very little in this deck, Cyclonic Rift , which can't be overloaded, and Retract , which bounces the Scepter and leaves Retract in exile. Not only is it rare to have an imprint target, but that target sucks.
Shimmer Myr - You don't need flash if you're doing everything on your turn
Erayo, Soratami Ascendant - You don't need its flip side
Now, a lot of these cards are 1-of's which is good. But there are cards that you have 1 of which are amazing. Most of them are legendary creatures, which drawing 2 of kinda sucks, but in 100 cards (which is still dumb) you'll never get them if you only have one copy
Urza, Lord High Artificer - Lets your do-nothing artifacts tap for ! Also, he gets you a creature that, with a lot of artifacts, can attack for lethal. ALSO, he has an activated ability which, with excess dumb artifacts, can keep you casting spells
Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain - DRAWS YOU SO MANY CARDS!! Is also a 3/3
100 cards is a bad idea in general. Consistency is a big part of any format. Even with 100 cards, you can still up consistency. Splash for tutors, White or Black, to find the cards you need.
Sideboards are a thing and can have up to 15 cards. Put targeting removal like Vandalblast there instead of your main deck. The "hate" cards of MTG go in the sideboard
3 weeks ago
Dango: I had seen a list of decks specifically with All Legal Commanders Gain Partner (LabManiacs) which featured a Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder + Zada, Hedron Grinder list. It did exactly what you were describing using Young Pyromancer / Empty the Warrens and then drawing something like 18 cards off Expedite effects. Deck if you're interested: Zada+Yidris
2 months ago
Red has a lot of token generation fodder with things like Dragon Fodder , Empty the Warrens , Siege-Gang Commander and the like to give you a lot of bodies on board for sac outlets. Red also has two great free sac outlets in the forms of Greater Gargadon and Goblin Bombardment whixh along with classic colorless sac outlets like the three altars (Phyrexian, ashnod's, and of Dementia) offer red a good amount of aristocrat tools
2 months ago
2 months ago
The deck looks great! I'm really excited to build my own version.
You have Flare, Solar Blast, Zap and Spark Jolt twice in your deck.
I don't think you can cycle Solar Blast from exile. You can't discard cards from exile.
Eternal Warrior is the cheapest way to give your commander Vigilance in Red. I'm not sure if it's worth running over equipment, but it is more efficient even if it is riskier.
Faithless Looting seems like a great option for you deck.
Empty the Warrens could also be strong in a deck full of cheap spells and rituals.
Pyromatics is maybe another good way to get some cheap triggers.
I wish there was a good way to manipulate the top of the deck more consistently than with Scry, like a Future Sight -type effect. Maybe Lens of Clarity with shuffle effects and Shenanigans ? Probably too cute.
You are running a large amount of X-spells. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but they are mana intensive, making it less likely that you'll be able to take advantage of the exiled cards after it. Meteor Shower seems particularly bad, and I could see Builder's Bane being more efficient as a Smash to Smithereens .
Seems like you still have lots of room to play in. Maybe you can afford to add in some Double-Strike spells? You talk about it, but I don't see any in your deck. Temur Battle Rage is usually the go-to, after that there's Uncaged Fury and Assault Strobe .
3 months ago
zga sure! I'm currently on the following guidelines. However, be aware of your opponent game biases (aggressive, controlling..). This is more relevant to sideborading than you might think.
Burn: -4 Fraying Sanity -4 Darkness +3 Crypt Incursion +4 Fatal Push +1 Set Adrift . But really, side as you want. You can't win even sideboarding 15 dedicated cards. I tested the matchup extensively with any possible combination of cards.
Hatebears, Humans, Spirits: -4 Fraying Sanity -4 Darkness +3 Crypt Incursion +4 Fatal Push +1 Set Adrift . Thalia, Guardian of Thraben and Unsettled Mariner are Public Enemies Number One. We can usually play around the rest, nonetheless those matchups are really really hard.
Jund: -4 Darkness -1 Field of Ruin +4 Fatal Push +1 Crypt Incursion . The matchup is hard, there is no question their cards are better than ours. After thoroughly testing it, I can surmise their only ways of winning quite always involve an early unanswered Tarmogoyf , a rain of discard spells followed by a Tarmogoyf , or that same stream of discard spells followed by us flooding out. Crypt Incursion seems strong at a first glance, but we are usually forced to cast it too early because of the pressure imposed by Liliana of the Veil or Scavenging Ooze . What's left of their deck is often quite irrelevant (feel free to swear at me, Jund players of the world: it's the truth, against Mill your other cards are too much situational).
Death's Shadow: no changes. The matchup surely is difficult, but not one that we cannot emerge victorious from.
Hardened Scales: -3 Fraying Sanity -4 Visions of Beyond +3 Crypt Incursion +4 Fatal Push . Just time your Darkness correctly and win on top of it as the plan wisely prescribes. The matchup is probably played on equal terms as for winning odds.
Dredge: -4 Breaking -3 Fraying Sanity +3 Crypt Incursion +4 Surgical Extraction . We cannot win game 1 because of Creeping Chill . If you manage to insulate yourself from it, game 2-3 become fairly easy. Just wait for them to mill themselves or lose time while you set youself up.
Storm: -4 Fraying Sanity +4 Surgical Extraction . You cannot win game 1, but game 2-3 if you manage to extract Past in Flames with the aim of fogging Empty the Warrens the game becomes pretty straightforward.
Urza: -4 Fraying Sanity -4 Darkness +4 Surgical Extraction +4 Set Adrift . Game 1 revolves around them playing Urza, Lord High Artificer in time, game 2-3 are pretty easy for us. Set Adrift is not really needed, but so are so many card advantage sources: we play it just in case we can sneak it in to delay them mostly out of sadicity.
Control: -4 Darkness +4 Surgical Extraction . Just get rid of their counterspell or Snapcaster Mage 's targets. If they are going nuts with too many copies of Teferi, Time Raveler , Narset, Parter of Veils or Gideon of the Trials , add some copies of Set Adrift for Mind Funeral s in quantity depending on their mix of those spells. Narset, Parter of Veils nerfs down Visions of Beyond , Teferi, Time Raveler completely neuters Shelldock Isle and Gideon of the Trials wins by itself making ourselves uncapable of winning. Just ignore anything else. The matchup goes to unlosable to unwinnable depending on their list.
Amulet: -4 Darkness +4 Set Adrift . They usually cannot assemble the whole combo (haste+double attack) because we're milling them, so we just need to get rid of Leyline of Sanctity in game 2-3 and win before they do.
3 months ago
For a Krenko deck you want to go as wide as possible as quickly as possible so cards like these are very important Goblin Instigator , Dragon Fodder , Krenko's Command , Hordeling Outburst , Krenko, Tin Street Kingpin , Beetleback Chief , Empty the Warrens , and Door of Destinies .
Also if you're not on a budge Cavern of Souls .
As for what I'd cut, Lightning Crafter is good but is too slow for this decks game plan. Mogg Raider and Goblin Sledder are too much of an investment. With how wide this deck goes you will far out match your opponent's ability to block all of your things and even if we're assuming their all just 1/1s the difference between 25 damage and 30 damage isn't much. Sensation Gorger is interesting, but a bit too narrow, and very unlikely to actually workout. Akki Drillmaster feels like overkill with how many Haste enablers you have in the deck. Red Elemental Blast also too narrow, but if you have a lot of blue decks in your meta then I guess it is fine.
Empty the Warrens occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.05%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.01%