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| Format | Legality |
| 1v1 Commander | Legal |
| Archenemy | Legal |
| Arena | Legal |
| Block Constructed | Legal |
| Canadian Highlander | Legal |
| Casual | Legal |
| Commander / EDH | Legal |
| Commander: Rule 0 | Legal |
| Custom | Legal |
| Duel Commander | Legal |
| Freeform | Legal |
| Gladiator | Legal |
| Highlander | Legal |
| Historic Brawl | Legal |
| Legacy | Legal |
| Leviathan | Legal |
| Limited | Legal |
| Modern | Legal |
| Modern Beyond Horizons | Legal |
| Oathbreaker | Legal |
| Planar Constructed | Legal |
| Planechase | Legal |
| PreDH | Legal |
| Quest Magic | Legal |
| Tiny Leaders | Legal |
| Vanguard | Legal |
| Vintage | Legal |
Rules Q&A
Misty Rainforest
Land
, Pay 1 life, Sacrifice this: Search your library for a Forest or Island card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
WingsofIcarus on
Omnath EDH
2 weeks ago
Made these changes a while ago to the decklist, but never actually posted the change log. Slotted in Fetchlands for more land ETB triggers. With Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth
, Ramunap Excavator
, Eternal Witness
and other recursion, downsides are minimized.
This update also marks a big moment for the deck in retiring Tempt with Discovery, a very well known card in this deck amongst my playgroup for accelerating my mana. It has been replaced with Realms Uncharted
and Petrified Field (which is additional land recursion), to make better use of a land tutor. Many other swaps were just to lean out the mana curve of my ramp and make some better functionality and flexability changes with how the meta of EDH has evolved. I also acquired a new copy of Craterhoof Behemoth
. I like the art and the flavor text seems very fitting for how I feel the deck plays.
Fabled Passage --> Verdant Catacombs
Wirewood Lodge --> Petrified Field
Kodama's Reach
--> You Happen on a Glade![]()
Tempt with Discovery --> Realms Uncharted![]()
Khalni Heart Expedition
--> Rampant Growth
Praetor's Counsel
--> Seasons Past![]()
Mana Reflection --> Invasion of Ikoria![]()
Skyship Weatherlight
--> Nissa, Ascended Animist![]()
Courser of Kruphix
--> Augur of Autumn![]()
Scryb Ranger
--> Tireless Tracker![]()
Mana Crypt --> Ojer Kaslem, Deepest Growth![]()
Cultivate
--> Flare of Cultivation![]()
Chaise on
Not Your Typical Sythis, Harvest's Hand Deck
3 weeks ago
for better lands aka more $ i might do when i have it would [maybe add more basic lands] be take out bad lands for Verdant Catacombs Arid Mesa Misty Rainforest Marsh Flats Flooded Strand Prismatic Vista
ActionReplay on
Toph Lands Alive
2 months ago
You should add Fabled Passage, Wooded Foothills you should consider running cards like Arid Mesa, Scalding Tarn, Bloodstained Mire, Windswept Heath, Verdant Catacombs, and Misty Rainforest Instead of cards like Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse Then also run Stomping Ground, Commercial District, Cinder Glade, and Taiga so that you don't get color screwed early.
Honorable mentions Sheltered Thicket, Highland Forest, and Wooded Ridgeline
Idoneity on Tossing green out of the …
3 months ago
For the last few years, I have dove deeply into ramping via lands in commander. I still play an Arcane Signet or two for density's sake, but I've come to appreciate the corner-case complexity of land-ramping without cards designed to do so.
Green gets off easiest, getting a Rampant Growth every once and a while.
White has clearly risen to second best in this field with their Brought Backs and Claim Jumpers, each combining fruitfully with fetchlands and Lotus Field.
However, other colours need to outsource. I've seen discussion around Blue copying fetches with Virtue of Knowledge or simply casting Mitotic Manipulation. Black just got Dai Li Indoctrination. And Red just can't do much.
There's some universal ones: Mirran Safehouse, Surveyor's Scope, Dowsing Dagger Flip, Wayfarer's Bauble, Myriad Landscape, etc....
But what others are out there? I know MTG-Goldfish inspired a lot of these, but it also encouraged me to get creative. So I'm curious what means other people have mustered!
trippy_mcfly on
Cumly Cube
8 months ago
Introducing Cumly Cube 1.3! Two years ago, Cumly Cube was updated to Cumly Cube 1.2, creating a balanced cube and wonderful play experience for all involved. Despite these changes, there remained some minor flaws in the card pool. I am now pleased to announce that, after extensive research and design, Cumly Cube has reached a final form. No card is too powerful. No card is too weak. Synergy is abundant. Both the draft and play experiences are dynamic, exciting, and new. There will be no more major updates to Cumly Cube 1.
120 cards have been removed, and 120 cards have been added. Here are the changes, provided with brief justifications:
REMOVED:
ARTIFACT
- Everflowing Chalice: mana rocks should cost 3 or have a drawback
- Glass of the Guildpact: too weak
- Heraldic Banner: encouraged mono-colored decks
- Illuminated Folio: too weak
- Jayemdae Tome: too weak
- Loreseeker's Stone: too weak
- Mind Stone: mana rocks should cost 3 or have a drawback
- Null Rod: too much of a hate card
- Pithing Needle: too powerful with Urza's Saga
- Pyromancer's Goggles: too narrow
- Retrofitter Foundry: too powerful with Urza's Saga
CREATURE
- Bomat Courier: too powerful against slow starts
- Deathpact Angel: creates a Cleric token, not a supported creature type
- Dimir Cutpurse: too powerful
- Elves of Deep Shadow: too obvious of a choice as a cumly
- Golos, Tireless Pilgrim: too powerful
- Hostage Taker: too powerful
- Kalamax, the Stormsire: too powerful
- Loyal Retainers: too obvious of a choice as a cumly
- Monastery Mentor: too powerful
- Moonveil Dragon: pumping the team makes for anticlimactic endings
- Murktide Regent: we’ve seen enough of this card already in other formats
- Ornithopter of Paradise: too obvious of a choice as a cumly
- Phantom Tiger: too weak
- Risen Reef: too powerful
- Shadrix Silverquill: creates Inkling tokens, not a supported creature type
- Tatyova, Benthic Druid: too powerful
- Thraben Inspector: we’ve seen enough of this card already in other formats
- Toxrill, the Corrosive: creates Slug tokens, not a supported creature type
ENCHANTMENT
- Alpha Authority: hexproof makes for less interesting games
- Favorable Winds: too weak
- Offspring's Revenge: too narrow
- Pernicious Deed: too powerful of a board wipe
- Rally the Ranks: too weak
- Song of Freyalise: too typical a card for green
LAND (types are grouped together in this list)
- Tolarian Academy: too powerful
- Arid Mesa: mana-fixing should not be so easy in Cumly Cube
- Bloodstained Mire: mana-fixing should not be so easy in Cumly Cube
- Flooded Strand: mana-fixing should not be so easy in Cumly Cube
- Marsh Flats: mana-fixing should not be so easy in Cumly Cube
- Misty Rainforest: mana-fixing should not be so easy in Cumly Cube
- Polluted Delta: mana-fixing should not be so easy in Cumly Cube
- Scalding Tarn: mana-fixing should not be so easy in Cumly Cube
- Verdant Catacombs: mana-fixing should not be so easy in Cumly Cube
- Windswept Heath: mana-fixing should not be so easy in Cumly Cube
- Wooded Foothills: mana-fixing should not be so easy in Cumly Cube
- Badlands: mana-fixing should not be so easy in Cumly Cube
- Bayou: mana-fixing should not be so easy in Cumly Cube
- Plateau: mana-fixing should not be so easy in Cumly Cube
- Savannah: mana-fixing should not be so easy in Cumly Cube
- Scrubland: mana-fixing should not be so easy in Cumly Cube
- Taiga: mana-fixing should not be so easy in Cumly Cube
- Tropical Island: mana-fixing should not be so easy in Cumly Cube
- Tundra: mana-fixing should not be so easy in Cumly Cube
- Underground Sea: mana-fixing should not be so easy in Cumly Cube
- Volcanic Island: mana-fixing should not be so easy in Cumly Cube
- Hissing Quagmire: creature lands are too versatile and discourage disciplined drafting
- Lavaclaw Reaches: creature lands are too versatile and discourage disciplined drafting
- Lumbering Falls: creature lands are too versatile and discourage disciplined drafting
- Shambling Vent: creature lands are too versatile and discourage disciplined drafting
- Needle Spires: creature lands are too versatile and discourage disciplined drafting
- Raging Ravine: creature lands are too versatile and discourage disciplined drafting
- Stirring Wildwood: creature lands are too versatile and discourage disciplined drafting
- Wandering Fumarole: creature lands are too versatile and discourage disciplined drafting
INSTANT
- Abnormal Endurance: too typical a card for black
- Aerial Predation: too narrow
- Alchemist's Gift: too weak
- Arbor Armament: too weak
- Autumn's Veil: too narrow
- Betrayal of Flesh: too weak
- Bladebrand: too typical a card for black
- Brainstorm: we’ve seen enough of this card already in other formats
- Cathartic Pyre: too much utility for an instant
- Comet Storm: one-sided board wipes need to be focused on creature type
- Consider: too typical a card for blue
- Crippling Chill: too typical a card for blue
- Crush: spot artifact removal is not to be part of Cumly Cube
- Dawn Charm: other cards in Cumly Cube fill this role better
- Dive Down: hexproof makes for less interesting games
- Divine Offering: spot artifact removal is not to be part of Cumly Cube
- Dragon's Fire: too typical a card for red
- Electrify: too typical a card for red
- Fell the Pheasant: too narrow
- Gainsay: too narrow
- Gut Shot: too weak
- Heroic Intervention: other cards in Cumly Cube fill this role better
- Hold the Line: too narrow
- Into the Core: spot artifact removal is not to be part of Cumly Cube
- Lash of Thorns: too weak
- Make Your Mark: too weak
- Opt: too typical a card for blue
- Overload: spot artifact removal is not to be part of Cumly Cube
- Pitfall Trap: too narrow
- Repulse: too typical a card for blue
- Scrap: spot artifact removal is not to be part of Cumly Cube
- Seedtime: too narrow
- Shatter: spot artifact removal is not to be part of Cumly Cube
- Smash: spot artifact removal is not to be part of Cumly Cube
- Smashing Success: spot artifact removal is not to be part of Cumly Cube
- Smite: too narrow
- Turn to Frog: turns a creature into a Frog, not a supported creature type
- Unsummon: other cards in Cumly Cube fill this role better
SORCERY
- Blasphemous Act: too typical a card for red
- Chart a Course: too much utility
- Cleansing Wildfire: too much utility
- Cultivate: too typical a card for green
- Disentomb: too typical a card for black
- From the Ashes: too narrow
- Funeral Rites: too much utility
- Gitaxian Probe: too typical a card for blue
- Necromantic Summons: too typical a card for black
- Nighthaze: other cards in Cumly Cube fill this role better
- Persist: too typical a card for black
- Pirate's Prize: too much utility
- Ponder: too much utility
- Reanimate: too typical a card for black
- Recover: other cards in Cumly Cube fill this role better
- Serum Visions: too typical a card for blue
- Spitting Earth: too typical a card for red
- Thoughtcast: too typical a card for blue
ADDED:
ARTIFACT
- Coat of Arms: encourages building around creature types
- Patchwork Banner: encourages building around creature types
CREATURE
- Arahbo, the First Fang: supports the Avatar and Cat creature types
- Avatar of the Resolute: supports the Avatar creature type
- Autonomous Assembler: supports the Assembly-worker creature type
- Bag End Porter: supports the Dwarf creature type
- Breya, Etherium Shaper: supports the Human and Thopter creature types
- Captain Storm, Cosmium Raider: supports the Human and Pirate creature types
- Captivating Unicorn: supports the Unicorn creature type and supports enchantment decks
- Centaur Battlemaster: supports the Centaur creature type and functions as a strong payoff for prowess decks
- Chronicler of Heroes: supports the Centaur creature type
- Conclave Cavalier: supports the Centaur and Elf creature types
- Conclave Mentor: supports the Centaur creature type
- Crosis, the Purger: supports the Dragon creature type
- Fear of Exposure: supports the Nightmare creature type and supports enchantment decks
- Ghostly Changeling: supports all creature synergy decks
- Gimli of the Glittering Caves: supports the Dwarf creature type
- Glissa Sunseeker: supports the Elf creature type
- Graveshifter: supports all creature synergy decks
- Gwenna, Eyes of Gaea: supports the Elf creature type
- Haunt of the Dead Marshes: supports the Elf and Nightmare creature types
- He Who Hungers: supports the Spirit creature type
- Heedless One: supports the Avatar and Elf creature types
- Jungle Creeper: supports the Elemental creature type
- Jungle Delver: supports the Merfolk creature type
- Kataki, War's Wage: supports the Spirit creature type and functions as artifact hate
- Keiga, the Tide Star: supports the Dragon and Spirit creature types
- Kiora's Follower: supports the Merfolk creature type
- Kumena, Tyrant of Orazca: supports the Merfolk creature type
- Lagonna-Band Trailblazer: supports the Centaur creature type
- Marwyn, the Nurturer: supports the Elf creature type
- Master Skald: supports the Dwarf creature type
- Mine Layer: supports the Dwarf creature type
- Neighborhood Guardian: supports the Unicorn creature type
- Promised Kannushi: supports the Human and Spirit creature types
- Realmwalker: supports all creature synergy decks
- Reveka, Wizard Savant: supports the Dwarf creature type
- Seraphic Steed: supports the Angel and Unicorn creature types
- Soul of Zendikar: supports the Avatar and Beast creature types
- Steadfast Unicorn: supports the Unicorn creature type
- Stingmoggie: supports the Elemental creature type and functions as artifact hate
- Sygg, River Cutthroat: supports the Merfolk creature type
- Vineshaper Mystic: supports the Merfolk creature type
- Wistful Selkie: supports the Merfolk creature type
- Yargle and Multani: supports the Elemental and Spirit creature types
- Zacama, Primal Calamity: supports the Dinosaur creature type
ENCHANTMENT
- Aura of Silence: functions as artifact and enchantment hate
- Aura Shards: functions as artifact and enchantment hate
- Blessed Sanctuary: supports the Unicorn creature type
- Corrosion: functions as artifact hate
- Embargo: interesting prison piece for stasis decks
- Font of Fortunes: card advantage at a fair price for Cumly Cube
- Gate to Phyrexia: functions as artifact hate and supports the niche but possible sacrifice deck
- Impending Disaster: a useful piece for aggressive decks or niche graveyard decks
- Shared Animosity: supports all creature synergy decks
LAND (types are grouped together in this list)
- Drowned Catacomb: completing the full set of check lands
- Glacial Fortress: completing the full set of check lands
- Hinterland Harbor: completing the full set of check lands
- Sulfur Falls: completing the full set of check lands
- Cascade Bluffs: completing the full set of filter lands
- Graven Cairns: completing the full set of filter lands
- Mystic Gate: completing the full set of filter lands
- Sunken Ruins: completing the full set of filter lands
- Wooded Bastion: completing the full set of filter lands
- Darkwater Catacombs: completing the full set of Odyssey filter lands
- Desolate Mire: completing the full set of Odyssey filter lands
- Ferrous Lake: completing the full set of Odyssey filter lands
- Fire-Lit Thicket: completing the full set of Odyssey filter lands
- Flooded Grove: completing the full set of Odyssey filter lands
- Overflowing Basin: completing the full set of Odyssey filter lands
- Skycloud Expanse: completing the full set of Odyssey filter lands
- Sunscorched Divide: completing the full set of Odyssey filter lands
- Viridescent Bog: completing the full set of Odyssey filter lands
INSTANT
- Accelerate: supports prowess decks
- And They Shall Know No Fear: supports all creature synergy decks
- Artifact Mutation: functions as artifact hate and supports the Saproling creature type
- Bandage: supports prowess decks and is also funny
- Brokers Charm: charms are an important part of Cumly Cube
- Charge Through: supports prowess decks
- Cremate: supports prowess decks
- Mirrodin Avenged: supports prowess decks
- Poison the Blade: supports prowess decks and offers deathtouch in green instead of its typical color, black
- Pressure Point: supportsli prowess decks and offers tapping in white instead of its typical color, blue
- Steady Progress: supports prowess decks as well as slower proliferate decks
- Sugar Rush: supports prowess decks and offers power boost in black instead of its typical color, red
- Treacherous Greed: supports the niche but possible sacrifice deck
- Turf Wound: a strange tempo card that fits the ethos of Cumly Cube
- Warriors' Lesson: supports prowess decks and might end up as green Ancestral Recall
SORCERY
- Altar of Bone: supports the niche but possible sacrifice deck
- Aphetto Dredging: supports all creature synergy decks
- Apocalypse: total game resets are an important part of Cumly Cube, because you end up playing more Cumly Cube!
- Ashen Powder: a more situational and odd piece for reanimator decks
- Blood for Bones: a more situational and odd piece for reanimator decks
- Breath of Life: offers reanimation in white instead of its typical color, black
- Broken Bond: functions as artifact and enchantment hate yet also ramps
- Channel the Suns: a strange yet useful mana-fixer. Out with fetch lands, in with sorcery WUBRG!
- Cloak of Feathers: supports prowess decks
- Crippling Fear: supports all creature synergy decks
- False Dawn: supports prowess decks and might offer mana-fixing in niche situations? Even if this card is pretty useless, it screams Cumly Cube
- Grim Tutor: tutoring is a small part of Cumly Cube but very important in the right decks
- Growth Spasm: offers ramp, mana-fixing, and supports the Eldrazi creature type
- Hymn of Rebirth: offers reanimation in green and white instead of its typical color, black
- Ice Storm: land destruction is a small part of Cumly Cube but a necessary balance, and not usually in green
- Jace's Triumph: there are Jace planeswalkers in Cumly Cube
- Mana Vapors: a strange tempo card that fits the ethos of Cumly Cube
- Many Partings: offers mana-fixing and food
- Migratory Route: offers mana-fixing and supports the Bird creature type
- Obzedat's Aid: offers reanimation in black and white
- Ordered Migration: supports the Bird creature type
- Raise the Palisade: supports all creature synergy decks
- Resourceful Return: a more situational and odd piece for black graveyard decks and artifact decks
- Ribbons of Night: offers direct damage in black instead of its typical color, red
- Rise of the Witch-king: a more situational and odd piece for reanimator decks
- Riveteers Confluence: similar to a charm
- Safewright Quest: offers slight mana-fixing in green and white
- Solve the Equation: tutoring is a small part of Cumly Cube but very important in the right decks
- Sweep the Skies: supports the Thopter creature type
- Temporal Machinations: supports artifact decks
- Unnatural Restoration: supports proliferate decks
- Urborg Repossession: a more situational and odd piece for black graveyard decks
sergiodelrio on
Bounce
9 months ago
Try this:
Replace 2x Hallowed Fountain
with 2x Breeding Pool
.
Replace 4x Misty Rainforest with 2x Flooded Strand and 2x Windswept Heath.
Replace 1x Island and 1x Plains with 2x Forest.
I know why you did what you did, but give my setup a shot for a few playtests.
The problem with your manabase is that it's quite scattered, even if the numbers seem to check out in the pie chart. You need lots of green pips, and lots of isolated pips in general, so you can't even out on fetches and shocks.
Draw forests more naturally. Get dorks online. Fetch pips you didn't draw. Minimize lands like Hallowed Fountain that can't pay for your multicolored spells in a deck with more than 2 colors. What I mean by that is, those are UW in your deck, so hallowed fountain sucks, since you're gonna need another land anyway to pay for multis, but you need green too. Possibly get rid of the fountains alltogether.
Hope this makes sense. Source: trust me xD
Cheers!
Balaam__ on
Turtle Power!
1 year ago
There’s a lot to like here, but also room for improvement. A simple ‘strictly better’ change is to get rid of Uncharted Haven and replace it with some type of dual that’s appropriate for whatever budget you’ve allotted this deck. The problem with Uncharted Haven is it enters tapped, which automatically puts you behind schedule. Legacy is ridiculously fast paced (even in non-competitive settings) so anything with [this card] enters the battlefield tapped stapled to it is dead weight. There are a whole host of better lands to occupy that spot, some more expensive than others. Misty Rainforest and Breeding Pool
immediately come to mind, as do Hengegate Pathway
Flip and Hinterland Harbor. There’s Tropical Island too but that’s prohibitively expensive.
At a glance, your turtles seem a bit unfocused. You’ve stuck within the creature type, yes, but they’re all pulling in different directions—Ninjutsu, Flash, counters etc. You have the right idea with the Assault Formation/Treefolk Umbra strategy, you just need to trim the extraneous stuff and double down on that. Run 4x copies of those to ensure you draw them every single game.
Cut cards you probably wont have the mana to fully utilize like Primal Might, and replace fringe-use cards like Artful Dodge and Witch's Web with things that play into Turtle Assault strengths.
You have a good base here to work with, and the good news is you wouldn’t have to change much at all to significantly streamline things, and the core idea will remain intact.
kamarupa on
Don't
1 year ago
While I don't recommend it, as it really puts a target on your dorks, if you have Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy in play, a Freed from the Real on a Birds of Paradise
or Noble Hierarch would generate infinite mana. There's certainly enough protection with current Instants, though, if you wanted to go that route. Bloom Tender would another solid choice to include then, if you felt so inclined.
I definitely think the manabase could be improved on. It seems there's no budget for creatures, but lands are all budget? So I was hesitant earlier, and didn't have the time either then to make a case for improvements. That said, 1x Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth is, IMO, always worth whatever mana-fixing it provides opponents. After that, I tend to prefer Botanical Sanctum, Dreamroot Cascade and Barkchannel Pathway Flip to the perennially desired Breeding Pool and Misty Rainforest. I just can't stand the thought of burning 3 life to get one dual land. I usually also include Scavenger Grounds just on the off chance I face a deck that likes to bring stuff back from the graveyard.
I didn't see you asking for removal spells, but Beast Within is decent, IMO, and I wouldn't turn my nose up at any deck running Pongify or Rapid Hybridization, especially if the deck is also packing creatures that can block those 3/3 gift tokens.
While it's a bit gutsy to rely strictly on mana dorks for the white mana needed to cast Gods Willing, I rather like the idea of an unblockable swing thanks to its protection.
In my eyes, the biggest weaknesses are: Opt doesn't provide any card advantage. Divination would be better, and Harmonize better still. Hydroid Krasis, as I said before, seems to fit as well and comes with the bonus of a bit of lifegain which is never bad. And that leads to the next issue - the wincons are [almost] all legendary, and therefore rightly limited to less than 4 copies each. I do like that they come with their own means of preventing removal, though. And finally, that the mana base just isn't as premium as most the spells it supports.
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