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Return target creature to its owner's hand.
1 month ago
1 month ago
Coalition Victory is definitely a very weird ban. I get it, wins out of no where, but it's also just a bad card. The "every color" clause makes your 8 mana win the game button fizzle to Unsummon or any spot removal. It gets hit by counterpells, removal, on board effects like forcing sacs, or Strip Mine. There are just better and more reliable alternate win conditions. Coalition victory would literally replace 0 Thassa's Oracles in EDH decks.
3 months ago
4 months ago
@DemonDragonJ: It isn't broken at all. It's an Unsummon/Vapor Snag that doesn't cost mana to replay the creature. The only thing better it does over Unsummon is it makes dodging Wrath of God a lot easier. You phase out your creature and it gets a +1/+1 counter, which is nice on a newly emptied board.
Otherwise, I'd rather have something that makes my opponent have to re-cast their creature.
4 months ago
There's going to be one big issue this kind of deck is going to face - you're constantly putting yourself at a large card-disadvantage, which will mean in the long run, you'll run out of resources, and your opponent will rebuild.
I get that you have Jace's Archivist as a way to get more cards, but with the sheer quantity of 1-mana killspells in modern, it feels like it'll never resolve its ability.
Note also, that because of fetchlands, your opponent can play-around what you're doing (i.e. only fetch when the mana is needed, or if targeted) - meaning that most opponents will be able to cast any spell they want in their deck with relative ease.
As one final point of problem, you have no current way to close out the game. Without a way to quickly win, your opponent is almost guaranteed to stabilize at some-point, and then beat you.
There's no easy answers to these problems, but here are some thoughts:
Bounce cards inherently put the caster at a disadvantage, because they're losing a card, and the opponent by-default isn't losing anything. To provide you some staying power, and a chance at an actual lock, I'd recommend running Isochron Scepter. While this card is fairly risky to play in modern (due to the chance of getting 2-for-1'd), I think its your best bet for being able to set up a continual source of bouncing.
You need a reliable way to actually win the game, before your opponent stabilizes (because, they will). I think a good candidate could be Deep-Sea Kraken, as it's very hard to remove (doesn't die to Prismatic Ending, Fatal Push, or Lightning Bolt. Admittedly Unholy Heat does pose an issue, but it's still pretty resilient)
I think you need a few more 1cmc cards to prevent getting overwhelmed right at the start of the game. Void Snare is decent, so I'd think you'd want a playset of that, alongside something like Unsummon or Vapor Snag. I do get that you want to focus on lands, but there are a LOT of 1-drop creatures that could blow you out of the water if left unchecked.
I think Remand is better than Counterspell here. You don't care that your opponent will get the card back in hand, because you're hoping their hand will be full anyway. And Remand helps you keep cards in your hand, so that you can keep the momentum up.
I don't think you need Radiant Fountain. The extra life is never going to swing the game either way imo (if you can't get the lock, you're screwed whatever your life total). I think a bigger threat is drawing too many lands and so running out of options. I'd suggest just playing 20-21 islands, and no Radiant Fountain. You'll be able to do more with the extra 2-3 spells than some lands that offer the wrong colour.
4 months ago
lespaul977 I don’t mind offering advice, but I’m not exactly a tier 1 player myself. So I’d definitely recommend shopping the idea for this deck around and collecting as much perspective as you can on it before you invest any time or money in finalizing it.
This may sound excessive but I’d cut
Djinni Windseer (doesn’t contribute)
Eternal of Harsh Truths (doesn’t contribute)
Homarid Explorer (cmc too high, not enough value)
Laboratory Maniac (useless, you’re milling the opponent and not yourself)
Minister of Inquiries (it’s ok, but with no way to get more energy counters his value fades fast. Blinking him to get more energy counters is not efficient)
Screaming Swarm (cmc way too high, won’t see play often and mill decks rarely have more than a handful of creatures, none of which are used for attacking)
Soulknife Spy (doesn’t contribute)
Essence Flux (Blink is ineffective here)
Trepanation Blade (seems good but rarely is, not to mention you won’t be attacking)
Curiosity (doesn’t contribute, your other draw spells are much better)
Wizard Class (doesn’t contribute)
So that’s what I’d cut. Dream Twist and Visions of Beyond are great and synergize well, Unsummon is good but Vapor Snag is better; I’d replace that with it if possible. I’d fill the remainder of the slots with Crabs if it’s an option (see below), countermagic (Counterspell, Mana Leak, Spell Pierce etc) and if you are adding (again, see below) there are oodles of instants/sorceries to choose from. If not, try to accommodate as many mono direct mill spells as possible.
I guess we have to address some of the elephants in the room. If you’re intent on keeping this mono , then you’ll miss out on what the complimentary color brings to the Mill archetype: cards like Breaking / Entering and Glimpse the Unthinkable.
Which brings us to the next obstacle, budget. If you’re looking to keep the price down and/or only build from your current collection, that also complicates things. Cards like Archive Trap and Tasha's Hideous Laughter are Mill staples, but are also costly. There are alternatives, like Fractured Sanity and Maddening Cacophony which are both cheap and mono , so that can help fill the gaps.
Third, you’ll want to run the crabs. Hedron Crab is pricey, but Ruin Crab is doable. Ideally you’d run both, but one is ok. You’ll be capitalizing on every possible opportunity to mill like this; every land played mills, nearly all your spells should mill, etc.
Hope this helps, and again—I’m no expert. But I’ve built one mill deck (check my page if interested, I think it’s called Trouble at the old mill or something like that) and have another in the works so I’m somewhat familiar with how they play. Ask around, collect info and don’t be afraid to inspect the ones the pros play for some ideas.
5 months ago
Ruin Crab loses a lot of its punch without Hedron Crab and fetch lands backing it up. It's still worth the playset but I just thought I'd let you in on this since the other guy didn't. The optimal version of this deck is heavily based around running both crabs with fetches (it also typically runs a second color, either white or black). You could try Evolving Wilds and/or Terramorphic Expanse to mimic this, but you're going to really slow the deck down. The optimal version is also heavily based around an expensive card called Archive Trap. Something like Sphinx's Tutelage could help fill this void.
Glacial Grasp, Thought Collapse and Vedalken Entrancer are terrible cards, you don't want them in your deck, trust me. I'd mainboard Dismembers for removal, use plain ol' Counterspells, and play literally any other blue creature respectively.
You could play the full 4 of Sanity Grinding.
Very spicy Sword of Body and Mind, but I really think this slot could be put to better use, especially given the $ value of the card. You don't have many good creatures to even equip it to. Now, if you had a few Jace's Phantasms, that might be a different story. A 5/5 flyer for 1 mana is already nuts, but now it's a 7/7 that mills for 10 and makes wolves.
You need some stronger control elements. I'd play more counterspells in the sideboard... Mana Leak, Negate, and Essence Scatter are all worth experimenting with. You'll get way more mileage out of those cards than something like Thought Scour or Jace Beleren. You could experiment with Unsummon effects too, they pair nicely with counters.
You should consider an alternate win condition. I know this is supposed to be a mill deck, but there are going to be matchups where this won't work (at least not in the budget version). You could accept that and not care, or you could make some concessions. To that end, I would propose just playing like an honest control deck and running 1-2 Prognostic Sphinx or Sphinx of the Final Word. It doesn't have to be mainboard.
Manic Scribe, Overwhelmed Apprentice and Wall of Lost Thoughts are low quality cards that happen to fit your theme. They're not as bad as the other three I singled out, but these would still be among the first places I made cuts.