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Null Rod Discussion
3 weeks ago
Nice, though there are some cards I would swap out. No Hulk combo? You don't have that many sac outlets
Cabal Therapist ? is this actually good?
Body Snatcher is so good
Containment Priest ? do you not go against creature combos? also you have a severe lack of tutors cards like Protean Hulk or Recruiter of the Guard , why not also have Stony Silence . Runic Armasaur is a bit weak for 3 mana. most of these suggestions are just shots in the dark...I don't know your meta.
1 month ago
So before I get to suggestions, I want to mention that I think your deck is beautiful. I love the idea of getting the whole thing painted... looks great so far.
I think you should consider Mystic Remora . It may take you a while to get your general down, and Mystic Remora can keep your opponents from playing long enough for you to build up some mana. Or, if they're inexperienced, it can easily be an Ancestral Recall .
You should consider running some more mana-dorks -- they're the main reason to run green, since they'll speed you up like crazy. Deathrite Shaman and Birds of Paradise are the best ones (so crops for running them) but I'd also run things like Elves of Deep Shadow , Fyndhorn Elves and Arbor Elf . Note that using things like Wild Growth and Utopia Sprawl will get Arbor Elf to tap for two mana.
I think Nature's Lore is probably better than your Kodama's Reach . I say this because, with 36 lands, you'll usually already have a land in hand when you cast Kodama's Reach , making the to-hand tutor effect less potent. Also, Nature's Lore is two mana and searches an untapped (and not necessarily basic) land, meaning it is effectively one mana on the turn you cast it. If you want to get spicy, Three Visits is a functional reprint for a lot more money.
You may wish to consider Life from the Loam and/or Ramunap Excavator redundant Crucible of Worlds es. I've had good success with both, not least because artifact-removal is frequently harder to dodge than creature-removal in EDH metas.
Sultai colors have a lot of room for disruption. Two favorites of mine are Narset, Parter of Veils and Ashiok, Dream Render . (I honestly think War of the Spark was a mistake.) Both of these cards prohibit your opponents from taking very common actions in Magic, meaning they pin down most decks very well. Worth noting is that Narset, Parter of Veils also builds card advantage, and Ashiok, Dream Render doubles as graveyard hate. If you pair Windfall with Narset, Parter of Veils , you can win on the spot; same is true with your Notion Thief .
Depending on your meta, Carpet of Flowers and Compost may be worth considering. Most metas are at lest 40% blue, at a table of four you'll usually get good value out of Carpet of Flowers . Black is the second most powerful color, so Compost is also frequently useful.
I've never been a fan of Palinchron -loops for infinite mana, since the card seems way more expensive than infinite-mana loops need to be. I think the current best infinite mana combo available is Dramatic Reversal on Isochron Scepter while you have more than 2 mana in rocks or dorks out, and Power Artifact on Grim Monolith also works. Note that Dramatic Reversal is fetchable with your Spellseeker , and that the artifacts are way easier to tutor than creatures (see Whir of Invention , Transmute Artifact , Fabricate , Reshape and friends).
There're a few piece of interaction I think you're missing. Force of Negation is an A card, and Veil of Summer is an easy A+. Nature's Claim is an excellent piece of spot removal; notably, it is stopped by Mental Misstep , which I also think you should run. A mana-free counter for Sol Ring s and Swords to Plowshares es is pretty good, especially with such a 'KILL ME' general. I also think Toxic Deluge is frequently better than Damnation , since it offers more selection with what to kill and can still be cast with Gaddock Teeg on the board.
Lim-Dul's Vault is a tutor to consider.
Finally, Windgrace's Judgment and Casualties of War are good ways to get multi-for-ones in your colors. I've had more luck with Windgrace's Judgment (if only because it's an instant), but both may be worth trying.
1 month ago
Hi! I was working on a Patron primer of my own for cEDH Patron until I came across yours (obviously I can't make a primer now because it's just copying you), and I have a couple questions if you still operate this primer or run the deck.
- In a faster meta, such as one with t&t and such, would a more midrangey build be suitable, with stax pieces such as Null Rod and Grafdigger's Cage , or would you say the deck is simply too slow to even make it to a point in the game to be able to bring out these stax pieces?
- Also in a fast meta, what sort of hand would we be going for, maybe with a bunch of interaction or stax pieces rather than gas or combo pieces to slow the game to our pace? I've found that racing the hulk decks only sometimes works, with fast mana galore or if you get a Grafdigger's T1.
Interested to hear your thoughts!
1 month ago
Next you're going to sing the praises of Mind's Dilation .
Any way you slice it, Sunbird's Invocation is a card advantage engine. Its resource intensive to get onto the table, and requires further resources to do anything (spells in hand, mana to use said spells). It performs better with higher CMC spells, which makes it harder to cast multiple spells and get multiple uses. Are the free spells nice? Certainly. Stuffing your deck with cards you wouldn't play except when they're free means you're going to be spending a lot of time feeling extremely stupid when you don't see the 1 card that makes them worthwhile in your hand of 7 cards in a 99 card deck.
For example, Char does more damage than Lightning Bolt . Slotting char over bolt in your 99 because you're also running Sunbird's Invocation is extremely poor deck building. The card incentivizes you to run junk to get better triggers. Even in a casual deck I wouldn't recommend running junk cards to work around a card that isn't the commander.
Now compare Sunbird's Invocation to a similar CMC card, Sun Titan . Sun tit gives you a trigger when it enters. It can attack and block (with vigilance!), helping most casual deck game plans. It continues to get triggers turn after turn BY ITSELF, requiring no further resources or mana spent, just requiring cards in graveyard (which happens naturally as any game progresses). Sun tit doesn't ask you to run jank cards with higher CMC, it prefers to recur right in the CMC range you want your value cards to be.
Another way to think about this is opportunity cost. If you were playing any game of magic, and you had Sunbird's Invocation in hand, would you rather have a different card in your hand? This is opportunity cost. 6 CMC is pretty high, it means the card will sit in hand during the early game, whereas you COULD have slotted a different card that may have been applicable during that period. For example, if you replace Sunbird's Invocation with a Swords to Plowshares , is your deck going to function better in more match ups? The answer is almost definitely yes. Switch out StP with some other card your deck needs, and you've found out what your deck should slot instead of Sunbird.
Now lets imagine yet another situation. You've got your Sunbird in play, you untap with a fresh new turn. You cast a spell for 5 CMC. You get all giddy, and you flip up Mountain Mountain Shock Mountain Pyroclasm . Just because you went 5 deep into the deck with a 5 CMC spell doesn't mean you're going to get anything relevant, or anything that will be useful to your current board state. Similarly, with 1 or 2 CMC spells, you may hit exclusively lands and brick out. There is no guarantee that these triggers will help you, or give you the relevant cards you want to see. Its just a card advantage engine for red at 6 CMC.
Another aspect of Sunbird is that it promotes non-reactive deck building. Flipping Counterspell with Sunbird isn't going to help you, unless you're intentionally holding spells to use Sunbird trigger in response to someone else's spell. Your removal and interaction is going to want to be permanent based to take best advantage of Sunbird. I'm not saying this is good or bad, but certainly opens you up to being locked out where a spell wouldn't be locked out. A great example of this is slotting Goblin Cratermaker for removal, and having it die as a state based action upon entering if an opponent has Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite . Another example Pyrite Spellbomb being locked out against Null Rod .
Sure, this card generates advantage when you're left alone to durdle in your ivory tower, but Scute Mob can one-hit-kill players on turn 30 after getting a bunch of counters. That doesn't mean Scute Mob is a good card in commander.
1 month ago
So I'm not sure, but I don't think Tendrils of Agony is very good in EDH. In general, you need a storm count of around 40+ to kill everyone with it (assuming they've taken significant damage beforehand), so I think your Aetherflux Reservoir is probably just a better storm win condition. Also, if you cut Tendrils of Agony for a cheaper card, it won't ding you so hard off Ad Nauseam . I have a similar problem with Grapeshot .
I've never been a fan of Helm of Awakening . Your experience with it may (obviously) differ from mine, but I tend to find it a dead-ish card in my hand. Running it out and passing is obviously problematic (since the effect is symmetrical), so generally you only want to run it if you can slam it and win on the same turn. With that in mind, you may just be better off running a mana rock (something like Arcane Signet ), since you can land that early-game and benefit until the end, rather than just at the end.
If you're planning to win off of Doomsday , I think you should keep Gush in the list. Yes, it is 5 damage of Ad Nauseam , but being able to dig two-deep and potentially snag a land-drop for free after a Doomsday is REALLY powerful.
In my Kess list, I run Dack Fayden . I really like him, and you should at least consider running him. The loot effect is significant, but being able to steal a Sol Ring or Mana Crypt from an opponent is even better.
You have a good number of mana-positive rocks... have you considered running Paradoxical Outcome ? It seems like kinda a funky choice, but I run it in my Kess storm list and I've had pretty good results with it. Obviously it'll be better once you get a Mox Diamond , but even with just the Chrome Mox , Mana Vault and friends it'll be pretty good.
My last suggestion is that you consider running Spell Snare . A lot of the hate that turns off decks like this is two mana (see Collector Ouphe , Gaddock Teeg , Rest in Peace , Stony Silence , Null Rod , Sphere of Resistance , Thorn of Amethyst , Thalia, Guardian of Thraben , Chains of Mephistopheles ), as are mana counterspells and even a few always-plays like Cyclonic Rift . I think Spell Snare is a highly underrated card, provided you're playing at a competitive table, so... yeah. I think you should consider it.
1 month ago
- How are you doing in the various matchups?
2 months ago
2 months ago
Sorry for the update taking so long everyone. This semester of college has been brutal. I have played maybe two games total of mtg in the last two months so I have not been able to test any of my ideas for this deck since they very rudely banned Paradox Engine the same day that I was typing out the updated primer that is now useless. Yet another argument to be made for separate banlists for casual and competitive edh as I really don't like how many cedh decks are gone or just lost an entire tier of power level with that banning that did not hurt the most degenerate and uninteractive decks (If anything, it helped them as the best decks to counter the uninteractive ones often relied on Paradox Engine ).
Either way, I digress. If anyone wants to make a list of recommended changes for me, I will update the primer accordingly so people can continue to make use of it post-ban and when I get the chance to actually test some of my ideas, I'll include my own opinions and card choices. I have been experimenting with the idea of going more stax oriented (which would give a great reason to run Karn, the Great Creator , seriously, I hate Null Rod effects so much, I just want to return the favor) as well as a more combat oriented focus as the combo aspect of the deck took a serious hit with the banning. Except for maybe Mishra's Workshop , I would say that Paradox Engine was the best card in the deck so I think it merits some potential redesign to compensate for the loss.
Null Rod occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.01%