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Null Rod Discussion
4 days ago
Monomanamaniac: That's some Classic OG Yeva Draw-Grow stuff. It used to be in the list, but it's no longer needed and quite frankly it's terrible here. Sorcery speed, needs the mana dork to produce 5 mana, gets hit by Root Maze, Collector Ouphe, Null Rod, and now Thorn of Amethyst. We also have no way to tutor it.
4 days ago
Hello KyleWynne22! Thank you for the comment!
I know this is kind of a shitty answer, but I would say the cards you ask for are very situational and meta-dependent.
- Burgeoning - I will be completely honest, I do not really like this card because we only run 28 lands in the deck. The only reason I'd ever really consider it would be because it's a 1cmc enchantment. It would be a different story if we were running say, 36 lands in the deck as you're more likely to be able to make use of it.
- Karmic Justice - Another card I'm rather iffy on. The main reason I don't particularly care for it is because most of the removal in my meta is creature based, such as Swords to Plowshares, Deadly Rollick, Unsummon, or Rapid Hybridization. You might could get away with cutting Manglehorn for it, as all it does is really add redundancy to the artifact hate we already run, such as Stony Silence and Collector Ouphe.
- Smothering Tithe - The main reason I don't run this is we run a bunch of things that shut down the activated abilities of artifacts, such as Collector Ouphe, Stony Silence, Root Maze, and I'm even considering adding a Null Rod for even more redundancy. All of these do not allow the treasure tokens to be used. If you absolutely wanted to use Smothering Tithe, I'd say probably _maybe_ replace one of the aforementioned anti-artifact cards, but we generate enough mana with things like Sanctum Weaver or even Cryptolith Rite I feel as if Smothering Tithe is completely unnecessary.
- Sylvan Library - This is probably the easiest of the bunch you asked about for me to justify including. I'd cut Ground Seal, as really the only reason I run it is due to the fact it draws a card itself upon ETB. The graveyard hate is negligible, as we run Rest in Peace for that. Really only reason I don't run it is due to the fact I don't have one and can't be bothered to go track one down.
Hopefully this answered your questions! If you have any more, or need help building your list, feel free to ask!
5 days ago
I almost want to recommend Leviathan even though it is just so trash...nice deck name. Thoughts on something like Serrated Arrows. Could really hit the nail on the head with options like Basalt Monolith, Crystal Rod, Null Rod, Rod of Absorption, Detection Tower, or Phyrexian Tower.
2 weeks ago
3n3rgy2 thank you for the comment! I appreciate it!
I've thought about running Solitary Confinement, but in the end I've never actually gotten around to doing anything with it. As for Privileged Position, in my opinion the CMC is too high for this deck. As for Helm of Obedience, I'm not a particular fan of it due to it having an activated ability, and I'm trying to limit myself on artifacts and activated abilities. I'm even getting a Null Rod from a friend hopefully soon to add an additional source of hate against artifacts with activated abilities.
I appreciate the compliments about the deck! Honestly my favorite thing in Magic is fine-tuning decklists, and while I definitely think this deck needs some optimization (namely Living Plane in place of Nature's Revolt and Savannah in place of Scattered Groves just to name a few), I think it's pretty much as close to done as it's going to get without spending several thousand dollars on getting four to five cards.
Again, thank you!
3 weeks ago
Thanks for the question arcarceus. I wouldn't spring for a The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale given the extremely high creature count of our own deck. I typically only play this deck in cEDH or cEDH-adjacent pods and usually find that my own creature count is much higher than my opponents. I do love this type of plan for artifacts, and my low count of artifacts has enabled Kataki, War's Wage to be extremely powerful against the high artifact count of many cEDH decks.
I haven't spared much expense when it comes to this deck, but Living Plane over Nature's Revolt comes to mind immediately. I'm personally not a fan of artifact driven fast mana for reasons unrelated to the power of the strategy, but I certainly believe that the deck would be more powerful with its inclusion. Mana Vault is already included due to its synergy with Derevi, and Grim Monolith would be a similarly powerful inclusion. Additional rocks to include would be Mana Crypt, Mox Diamond, and Chrome Mox. If those were added you'd have to take out a couple pieces of artifact hate (the aforementioned Kataki, Null Rod), but I think you'd speed up your average first or second turns which is where this deck can really struggle against your typical cEDH deck.
1 month ago
Thank you for the compliment. I have had a lot of fun altering the cards. Right now things are busy for me. I hope I can get back to altering more of them soon.
Yes if you were to make this list more competitive switch Counterspell for Mana Drain and Voidslime (although being able to counter an activated ability did win me a game one time) for Force of Will and cut a land to add Mana Crypt . Also if your meta is artifact heavy Collector Ouphe and Null Rod should find a place in this deck.
Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath is run because he is repeatable card draw, life gain, and landfall. Which fits everything the deck is trying to do. He replaced Coiling Oracle which I think is a strict upgrade. As newer cards get printed he is something I would consider cutting if the newer cards synergize with the deck more then he does.
1 month ago
Exotic Orchard (remove forbidden), TREASURE VAULT!?!?
Put in Academy Manufactor probably just to get extra tokens...
Magda, Brazen Outlaw ? Might be good... but only would search for goldspan or hellkite.
Pirate's Prize is good, i think you are lacking draw.
Xorn ~ Seems strong.
Old Gnawbone seems strong as well.
Furnace Dragon for whatever reason is also hilarious to me in your deck. Could be hilarious could be semi-dead. The idea being that you could disrupt the board, get it out cheap and then rebuild...
What else can you do with all your mana? Kill everyone at the same time with Hurricane ?
Might be able to do Smokestack due to all the token generation? But thats just to help slow others down.
Also you could try and grab Negan, The Cold-Blooded ... but that's up to you.
SO then the other thing. What do you do if someone throws Null Rod or similar?
2 months ago
I used to play -Eldrazi Stompy in Legacy 3-5 years ago, before switching to EDH due the LGS where I had moved to having a large EDH community (pre-lockdowns). However, I'm currently in a position where I might be able to play some Legacy events in the near-future, and I want to update my deck accordingly. But I think it's worth briefly noting the developmental-chain that led to the current decklist that I own..
Ironically enough, this deck was originally based on a "budget" Vintage list from The Mana Source (watch it to have a chuckle over how much less the Reserve List cards used to be). My original list was extremely close to this, except invert the 1:4 ratio of Chalice of the Void / Null Rod , and I (originally) ran Simian Spirit Guide ..
Out of the entire decklist, it is the Manabase that has fluctuated the most. For starters, I immediately cut Ghost Quarter after the deck's "maiden journey" due to most decks in Legacy run enough basic lands to render GQ's utility virtually worthless.
This led to me experimenting with running 2-4x Mishra's Factory for about a year before eventually cutting them altogether.
I also bought my copies of City of Traitors one at a time over the course of several months, and it felt right once I got to 3..
Near the end of the period when I was playing this semi-regularly, I noticed that some games would be lost due to simple chump-blockers, so I decided to throw in a copy of Rogue's Passage . But this was immediately before competitive Legacy events dried up out of nowhere, and therefore haven't had the chance to live test any changes since...
Something else that I had noticed was that more & more lists were using Walking Ballista , which intrigued me because the deck needs more Removal, and I'm almost never happy to draw Dismember either. So I replaced 2x Endless One s with WB's..
Karakas seemed to also be in almost every competitive-level list ever, so I eventually decided to get one myself.
I think the most important consideration is Karn, the Great Creator . Not only is it a Restricted in Vintage power-level lock-piece, but turning the Sideboard into a toolbox is huge. Unfortunately, no two decklists seem to agree at all on what said toolbox should contain. Therefore I am at a loss.
The other, far more recent card that has found it's way onto my radar is Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth . This land generally serves the exact same purpose as Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth , with the exception of the possibility of a pain-free Dismember , but can otherwise be paired with Elvish Spirit Guide & Cavern of Souls to spawn a -variant sometime in the near-future..
All forms of Delver & Miracles have always been an easy win. I usually don't even bother to Sideboard..
Burn & various Storm decks ultimately come down to if I can drop an early lock-piece or not.
The kind of decks that I've had the biggest problem with are Stoneforge Mystic decks and BUG variants, particularly Shardless Sultai. Generally because a lack of removal spells, and Dismember isn't always enough take out a Tarmogoyf ..
(But I also think it's worth mentioning that this was all when Deathrite Shaman was still legal)
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