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Activated abilities of artifacts can't be activated.
3 months ago
Always wanted to make something with this dude but I never knew what to do. This strange pile of cards is beyond interesting. It's a cohesive strategy with focus. Inexpensive but it gives off competitive vibes.
Your maybe board:
Temporal Trespass YES.
River Kelpie fits the commander and strategy so well.
Everything else I was indifferent about but I have never piloted this list so you would know better than I.
I'm just going to spitball some cards that came to mind that might fit your unique deck design:
Forbid a reusable hard counter that feeds your discard/graveyard strategy.
Long-Term Plans my favorite blue tutor.
Deserted Temple more versatile Minamo.
4 months ago
artaud21 I think you're missing the point of what this deck wants to be doing, and you're way overestimating the potential negative impact of Ouphe and Bane. Both are tutor targets for when my opponents' board states are more threatening than my own. Just because a deck includes Null Rod or Collector Ouphe doesn't mean it shouldn't include any mana rocks. Take a look at the Metapod primer in the cEDH Decklist Database for example.
Sure, occasionally Bane of Progress destroys my own permanents, but it's always a necessary sacrifice when I get to destroy the plethora of degenerate artifacts and enchantments my opponents have out. I can honestly say that I've never found myself in a situation where Bane of Progress has ruined my gameplan. I also don't Genesis Wave for 25+ cards very often, which is the lone situation in which I could see Bane becoming a liability.
I'm surprised that you would even bring up creature removal or mass removal, because mono-green is not known for either of those things. I've got Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre and Beast Within for if there's a creature I absolutely must remove, Nylea's Intervention can occasionally take out pesky flyers, and I've got plenty of artifact and enchantment hate. The goal of this deck is not to be reactive and always have the perfect answers to deal with threats. This deck wants to tutor for Scute Swarm and kill the table as fast as possible with Craterhoof Behemoth. No, Azusa isn't always the fastest deck on the table, though you'd be surprised with how quickly she can get out of hand.
4 months ago
As people in the thread said, if you really wanted your playgroup to hate you, things like Armageddon, Null Rod, Deafening Silence, Spirit of the Labyrinth, Rule of Law, Archon of Emeria, Angel of Jubilation, Thorn of Amethyst, Sphere of Resistance, Winter Orb, and Smokestack are all super fun cards you can run.
4 months ago
Yeah, that is an unfortunate downside of mono-colorless. Collector Ouphe, Null Rod, and Stony Silence are really bad cards for this deck to see. I always try to tutor or mulligan for an Inspiring Statuary when I expect to see those cards as it allows me to still use my artifacts to cast stuff like Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger, Karn Liberated, All Is Dust, Emrakul, the Promised End, etc. Typically I try to outspeed the artifact hate but as that is not always an option, Inspiring Statuary or politics tends to be the best option. It also helps that other decks tend to get hurt by such artifact hate so I am not always the one that has to deal with it.
As for the power level, I tried to make it as powerful as possible for the sake of having a decent chance at a cEDH power level table. A max power level Kozilek is typically around the power level of a budget cEDH deck so it tends to play well at that kind of table. Given the ridiculous speed of the deck though, I have had good matchups against full pods of max power cEDH decks. Very few decks can shrug off Annihilator 4 on turn 3. Also, Mindslaver effects are hilariously good against cEDH decks. Especially with how many Necropotence, Ad Nauseam, Tainted Pact, Demonic Consultation, etc. effects are common in cEDH. Even outside of that, just using their own removal spells on their stuff or exiling their commander if it is a deck that relies on it to win (and choosing to put it into exile of course) can completely kill off opposing players on the spot. Emrakul, the Promised End is my go to answer for cEDH decks as the cast trigger almost always just kills an opponent on cast, even if she gets countered.
As for additional stax, I already run Torpor Orb and I quite like it. Cursed Totem is interesting (and if nothing else is a good budget option). I liked Cursed Totem a lot more when Flash + Protean Hulk was a thing. Perhaps it is just my meta but I don't see too many decks that make me want a Cursed Totem effect. Winter Orb has been underperforming of late so I might trade those out and see if I like it. It cuts off my Metalworker, Palladium Myr, and Burnished Hart but I think that is acceptable given how much it can hurt some decks. Worst case scenario, I could always just treat it the same way I use something like The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale where I just mulligan or Bazaar of Baghdad it away if it is a meta that it isn't useful.
4 months ago
5 months ago
@ McToters Thank you for checking out my list and taking the time to comment! Most of the time the goal of my list is to find a loop utilizing Teshar that goes infinite as soon as possible. Example (1) Teshar + Myr Retriever + Ashnod's Altar + Memnite. Example (2) Teshar + Lion's Eye Diamond + Salvage Scout. These are only a few examples of many as the deck gets its consistency by running numerous redundant effects.
I don't often sac my entire board. But I have sometimes sacrificed most of the artifacts I control in response to another player casting Dockside Extortionist.
I do think Second Sunrise is a fantastic card in a casual Teshar list where the goal isn't to combo out as soon as possible but to create value engine and win in the long run.
6 months ago
You didn't specify which deck you were playing when you bashed Mindbreak Trap. You were arguing that Iona would help the situation in the same paragraph, I assumed you were playing white. Rule of Law wouldn't prevent the Trap from being cast, it would prevent your plays being "countered for free, because, you know, blue" because 4 spells in a turn under Rule of Law is kinda hard to realize. Red Elemental Blast breaks the Mindbreak Trap in mono red.
Of course the blue player could play many artifacts to get out under Iona. If it's right to play Wurmcoil Engine in your deck, 40% of your deck will likely be colorless cards and you will shrug about Iona the way Ardenn, Intrepid Archaeologist shrugs about Null Rod. Just because you're not effected doesn't mean the card is not breaking something.
I once had a Heliod, Sun-Crowned mono white +1/+1 counter deck that really relied heavily on the Commander's ability to generate those counters. Then the Mogis, God of Slaughter player ramped out an Erebos, God of the Dead on turn 3, and got mana screwed after, never gathering enough devotion for my Swords to Plowshares to solve this Indestructible enchantment that was blocking out the very tactic I built my deck around. Now I know there's a few cards in white that could exile enchantments, but I'm not playing Forsake the Worldly when Shinewend has a similar function with a lot more synergy with my deck. My opponents wouldn't touch the player with Erebos, because it seemed to be completely immobilizing me. Yet I got by with a Mother of Runes, a True Conviction and my commander for player removal and went on to win that game after the Mogis player died.
My Juri, Master of the Revue deck got Leyline of the Voided, rendering all my Nether Traitor clones and Blood Artist variants useless for what they were supposed to do. Yet Ophiomancer, Goblin Bombardment and Impact Tremors made for a fast enough clock to make the leyline player regretting making themselves a target.
So yes, I think you're a bit of a drama queen for complaining this much about single card counterplays for your main strategy and how they shouldn't exist because you want to be able to do unimpeded what your deck is supposed to do.
Especially because at the same time, you started this topic to argue bringing back a card that does exactly that to others in a different deck you play.
You've said in this topic that Rest in Peace shouldn't exist in the format because specifically your archetype can't deal with it. At the same time you said Iona, Shield of Emeria being unbanned would "help the situation". You're both salty about being locked and advocating you should be able to lock others. And yet you don't see what's wrong with that, despite your superior reading comprehension.
6 months ago
Mono green deck that’s creature focused…
This is mono-green…drop the mana rocks for better mana dorks and land auras to bolster that creature count and maintain a low mana curve. This opens up the avenue to use Collector Ouphe and Null Rod to cripple most players ramp and board capabilities. Rocks with static effects like Emerald Medallion should stay as they’ll not be effected.
Your land count is extremely low and your using token generators that rely on land fall. Get rid of Ghalta, Primal Hunger and use Ashaya, Soul of the Wild. This will add better synergy and take up the lack of lands to create more triggers on landfall.