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Sunken Ruins Discussion
3 weeks ago
on Dimir Mill
4 months ago
If not taking budget into account, you would want a number of fetch lands (4x Polluted Delta , then some other lands that can hit either Blue or Black; preferably blue to fetch islands, since you run more Blue mana spells and the blue can hit your Watery Grave anyway). Competitive mill wants to run heavy on Fetches, since each Fetch land basically reads "Pay 1 life: get the land you need and your opponent mills 6*X, where X is the number of crabs you control). Unfortunately, given Wizards' frankly untenable aversion to reprinting Fetches, despite the fact that they are a staple in every single format in which they are legal, running a full contingent of Fetches is quite pricey, and will tear through your budget rather quickly.
That said... I honestly think the Fetches may be a necessity to a competitive mill deck--a lot of your milling power comes from those crabs, and Fetches double the milling you get from any land drop. Fetches also allow you to bank milling--you can play a Fetch on one turn, then not crack it until you need the land it would provide--that means you can save up your Fetches lands until you have more crabs in play and will get more milling from the land you fetch .
A singular copy of Oboro, Palace in the Clouds is another great addition--you do not want to draw too many of them, but it gives you a repeatable "mill 3 * X" if you do not have any other lands in-hand. However, Oboro is well overdue for a reprint and is quite expensive right now--it helps the deck, but is not necessary.
I am not a fan of either Sunken Ruins or Sunken Hollow for mill. Mill is a lot like burn--you want to hit them hard and fast, and burn them down every single turn. On your first turn, you really want to be able to drop a Crab, so you can get the additional burn with your land drop each turn. Both the cards you named are not viable on turn 1 in mill--neither can be used for a turn 1 crab, and you do not want your mana base to be too heavy on lands that are worthless to you on turn one (especially since you already need to have 3 lands in your deck--those Field of Ruin s--which you do not want turn 1).
If you are not going to go heavy on shocks, a full set of Watery Grave will be helpful--two life isn't that big to ask. Underground River is an okay budget land, though it is going to be disproportionately bad in mill since a large number of your spells have no generic mana requirements.
4 months ago
, regarding the mana base, which lands should I swap in/out? You mentioned cutting Dimir Aqueduct and Fetid Pools , but looking over the dual lands available, I'm not sure what would help me in their place. I was thinking something like Sunken Ruins or Sunken Hollow ?
4 months ago
Hi. I love UB control archetype so I would like to give my 2 cents. So I'll hope that this helps/gives new ideas ^_^
I think your deck at the moment has unnecessary tap lands. Halimar Depths Vivid Marsh and Polluted Mire and Lonely Sandbar. I would recommend trying Mystic Sanctuary, Sunken Ruins, Field of Ruin, Fabled Passage or Castle Vantress. Karakas is also viable option even though it acts like colorless land in UB.
I also need to recommend Search for Azcanta Flip because it can win control mirrors almost by itself. Shark Typhoon and Omen of the Sea are my personal additions usually because both of them are 2 for 1 effects.
For sorcerys I have not been impressed with Yahenni's Expertise and I have played Shadows' Verdict and/or Dead of Winter instead of it. Also Bloodchief's Thirst and Baleful Mastery are cards that I can't stop recommending because they are just that good, the ability to get rid of an creature or planeswalker while being cheap removal if needed is just so good.
For creatures I will recommand Murderous Rider it is another hero's downfall with 2 for 1 thanks to adventure, I have never been impressed by Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir because he usually doesn't do enough for 5 mana. For planeswalkers if your meta has decks that have creatures Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver is surprisingly effective and talking about Ashiok Ashiok, Nightmare Muse is a real game closer because both +1 and -3 are extremely good and an army of 2/3 will win the game at some point.
For instants I will just write recommendations because there are so many: Archmage's Charm just does everything you would want, Commence the Endgame uncounterable threath + card draw and is especially good mirror breaker, Cryptic Command it also does everything, Disallow the stiffle can save games sometimes (like countering planeswalker "ultimate"), Erebos's Intervention I personally like this card very much because it can buy so much time against aggro decks, Hieroglyphic Illumination works as early game can trip and mid/late game divination, Spell Snare on draw this is amazing and usually the best cards are 2-3 costed so this usually hits something important and last but not least Force of Negation because it is another force. I would recommend little bit more targeted removal because edict effects are worse against decks that play mana elfs or other low impact 1 drops.
I personally wouldn't play your artifact package but because I haven't played with artifact package I won't say anything about that because I don't know how good it is.
These are just my recommendations and these aren't absolutes. Here is also list if you would like to compare different building choices
I hope that you found this helpful ^_^
4 months ago
I like that you can kick a Tourach off of Shardless. Some suggestions:
Ice-Fang Coatl (Requires changing to snow lands, recommend 4)
Ancestral Vision (recommend 2)
Fatal Push (Drop at least 1x Pulse and 1x Trophy for these, 3-4 would be optimal)
Sunken Ruins (1 because you have and costs)
5 months ago
Painlands are perfectly viable budget lands. Besides fetches and shocks that you mentioned (that are generally pretty essential for a 3 or 4 color deck), some good UB land alternatives you can look into are River of Tears and Darkslick Shores off the top of my head. You could also try Clearwater Pathway Flip, Sunken Ruins , or even Sunken Hollow since you have a lot of basics. I understand the need for budget, but with the mana requirements in this deck, the mana base will probably be very rough until you upgrade to fetches and shocks.
7 months ago
You do still take the damage, but your life total doesn’t change. That’s actually why I’m using City of Brass instead of Mana Confluence even though Mana Confluence is better with Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth . Platinum Emperion doesn’t let me pay life. I also had to pull out some lands like River of Tears and Sunken Ruins so I could cut back on the fetch / shock.