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Creature — Human Advisor
Sacrifice Loyal Retainers: Return target legendary creature card from your graveyard to the battlefield. Activate this ability only during your turn, before attackers are declared.
trippy_mcfly on Cumly Cube
9 months ago
Introducing Cumly Cube 1.1! 6 months ago, Cumly Cube was launched to resounding approval. However, in response to feedback from fans, several cards in the pool were deemed unplayable, uninteresting, or overpowered. For Cumly Cube's six month anniversary, I have chosen to update the card pool. Here are the changes, provided with brief justifications:
- Abomination: too weak in power level
- Anger of the Gods: while board wipes are an essential part of the game, this card is too simple in effect in comparison to other red board wipes in the card pool
- Birthing Pod: synergizes poorly with the rest of the card pool
- Black Dragon: too weak in power level
- Black Lotus: this card and other "power 9" cards have been removed from the pool to allow players to play with less well known cards
- Bloodcurdling Scream: too weak in power level
- Cavalier of Night: too on-theme for a black card
- Cinderclasm: while board wipes are an essential part of the game, this card is too simple in effect in comparison to other red board wipes in the card pool
- Dack Fayden: too powerful
- District Guide: synergizes poorly with the rest of the card pool
- Dockside Extortionist: too strong in multiplayer games considering the dominance of the "treasure matters" archetype in this card pool
- Dread Reaper: too weak in power level
- Edric, Spymaster of Trest: too powerful
- Eviscerator: too weak in power level
- Grim Strider: too weak in power level
- Hypnox: too weak in power level
- Jungle Creeper: too weak in power level
- Mind Bomb: too weak in power level
- Mox Emerald: this card and other "power 9" cards have been removed from the pool to allow players to play with less well known cards
- Mox Jet: this card and other "power 9" cards have been removed from the pool to allow players to play with less well known cards
- Mox Pearl: this card and other "power 9" cards have been removed from the pool to allow players to play with less well known cards
- Mox Ruby: this card and other "power 9" cards have been removed from the pool to allow players to play with less well known cards
- Mox Sapphire: this card and other "power 9" cards have been removed from the pool to allow players to play with less well known cards
- Nicol Bolas, the Deceiver: too weak in power level
- Nix: too weak in power level
- Obelisk of Alara: too weak in power level
- Patagia Golem: too weak in power level
- Phantasmagorian: too weak in power level
- Prismite: too weak in power level
- Rootcoil Creeper: synergizes poorly with the rest of the card pool
- Shattering Blow: too strong of an answer to the artifact archetype
- Shatterskull Smashing Flip: MDFCs are interesting cards, but it does not make sense to have only one in the card pool
- Smelt: too strong of an answer to the artifact archetype
- Smog Elemental: too weak in power level
- Spirit of the Night: too weak in power level
- Storm Spirit: too weak in power level
- Tibalt's Trickery: introduces too much variance for an enjoyable experience
- Unholy Strength: too weak in power level
- Vampiric Link: too on-theme for a black card
- Wooded Bastion: this was included on error instead of its Golgari counterpart
- Alpha Authority: an interesting enchantment that should help protect large creatures
- Archfiend of Spite: a strong value play or reanimation target for black, which was deemed the lowest in power level upon initial testing
- Blade Splicer: works well with the artifact and golem archetypes, plus is a human for tribal matters cards
- Chillbringer: works well with the blue aggro archetype, plus is an elemental for tribal matters cards
- Comet Storm: an interesting damage spell that will be replacing more typical red board wipes
- Crippling Chill: works well with the disruptive blue plan
- Darksteel Forge: a strong payoff for the artifact archetype
- Diabolic Tutor: a solid addition to black
- Distant Melody: a strong value play for tribal decks
- Door of Destinies: another tribal matters card
- Dread Presence: a solid addition to black
- Flashfreeze: a conditional counter spell
- Funeral Rites: a solid addition to black
- Golem Foundry: works well with the artifact and golem archetypes
- Gyruda, Doom of Depths: companions are now part of the card pool! This one fits well with the reanimation archetype
- Icehide Golem: works well with the artifact and golem archetypes
- Illuminated Folio: an artifact draw engine, common in this card pool
- In Bolas's Clutches: a strong and fun card
- Infernal Contract: a solid addition to black
- Jegantha, the Wellspring: this companion is an elemental for tribal matters cards
- Keruga, the Macrosage: this companion is an incentive to play with some of the clunkier but more fun cards in the cube
- Kokusho, the Evening Star: a solid addition to black and a dragon for tribal matters cards
- Lifecrafter's Bestiary: a strong draw engine for green creature decks, an archetype not well supported in this card pool
- Loyal Retainers: works well with the reanimate archetype, plus is a human for tribal matters cards
- Mindleech Mass: a strong reanimation target and payoff for black decks, plus is a horror for tribal matters cards
- Moldervine Reclamation: a strong draw engine and another enabler for lifegain decks
- Monastery Mentor: a strong payoff for prowess decks, an archetype not well supported in this card pool
- Morophon, the Boundless: another tribal matters card
- Nicol Bolas, God-Pharaoh: a strong card used to bolster Grixis in the card pool
- Pact of the Serpent: a strong value play for tribal decks
- Retrofitter Foundry: works well with the artifact archetype
- Skeletal Wurm: a strong reanimation target and payoff for black decks
- Sludge Monster: a good creature that works very well with Toxrill, the Corrosive, plus is a horror for tribal matters cards
- Sorin's Vengeance: a payoff for black that may add diversity to deck archtypes
- Soul Foundry: yet another artifact engine that is a major part of this card pool
- Storm the Vault Flip: this card was meant to be included in the pool originally for the "treasure matters archetype"
- Teferi, Timebender: another Teferi planeswalker, included mainly to justify the continued inclusion of Teferi's Sentinel
- Time Elemental: a soft lock with Stasis and also a good interactive card for blue decks
- Torgaar, Famine Incarnate: a strong reanimation target and payoff for black decks
- Twilight Mire: this card was meant to be included in the pool originally and is good fixing for Golgari, a color combination encouraged in this pool
- Worldfire: a very wacky card that is the epitome of Cumly Cube
Last_Laugh on How Did EDH Become So …
1 year ago
@DemonDragonJ - Teferi's Protection, Academy Rector, Consecrated Sphinx, Deadeye Navigator, Temur Sabertooth, Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite, Survival of the Fittest, Food Chain, Cloudstone Curio, Ashnod's Altar, Phyrexian Altar, Seedborn Muse, Loyal Retainers, Mikaeus, the Unhallowed, Palinchron, Force of Will, Mana Drain, Cavern of Souls, Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx, Grave Pact, Dictate of Erebos, Sylvan Library, Fierce Guardianship, etc. etc. etc.
khaleen on Devotion to White Angels
1 year ago
And what are your thoughts about Loyal Retainers?
MFBOOM on Till the End of Tayam | **PRIMER**
2 years ago
Great list, I am currently building my own deck and was wondering what you thought of Loyal Retainers and Grakmaw, Skyclave Ravager
cfost827 on Karador EDH Deck (Hulk/Boonweaver Combo's …
2 years ago
So.. I'm basically looking to reduce the strength of my current Karador deck to 75%-80% (or 8/10), as it's currently much too strong for the Meta I play in with my buddies. Perhaps make it more Toolbox or Graveyard focused (i.e. fill it up), and have more ways to win through combat rather than ONLY infinite combos (cEDH). Basically make it more fair and fun to play against (including for me lol).
My Deck List: My Tapped out Deck list link here https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/karador-edh-boonweaverhulk-combos/
Background: This is the first deck I ever built about 7 months ago (built 2 more since). However, the problem was I built it off of a cEDH deck (minus the expensive land base) and didn't realize how powerful it will be. I really don't need to fill up my graveyard either (i.e. Entomb Hulk, Boonweaver, etc works just fine). I'm basically looking to completely change my Karador format but I'm still relatively new to MTG (mostly played my buddies decks for the past 2 years).
The strategy of my deck is basically to combo out (go infinite) as fast as possible. My deck relies on a lot of the common Karador combo's pieces (I have many different possible combo's): Protean Hulk, Boonweaver Giant, Pattern of Rebirth, Karmic Guide, Reveillark, Saffi Eriksdotter, Loyal Retainers, Sun Titan, Acidic Slime, etc etc. Obviously, I'm planning on removing Hulk, Boonweaver + Pattern of Rebirth. I'll probably keep the Karmic Guide/Reveillark combo though.
I also run a strong tutor suite with Demonic Tutor, Enlightened Tutor, Worldly Tutor and other strong cards like Academy Rector and extensive hate bears Gaddok Teeg, etc etc - (I try to only use when in a bind). So it would make sense to remove these.
What happens when I play this deck in our Meta: is that I don't really interact with the board/players much, as I'm just trying to tutor and find my infinite combo's as quickly as possible. This tends to annoy some people as the game will have interactions between players all over and then all of a sudden - I combo out infinitely and win the game. So every game either comes down to A) Me winning.. or B) Each player focusing their attention on me to kill me as quickly as possible, which is understandable, as I can go infinite quite quickly. So you can see why I need to reduce this and try to make my deck more fun to play with for everyone (including myself).
About my Meta/Playgroup: We always play 4 way player EDH (sometimes even 6!). There are some pretty optimized and strong decks. I would say generally decks in our meta are optimized anywhere from 60% - 80% (or 6/10 - 8.5/10). Most decks are valued mostly under $700 (which is on the high end). Infinite combo's are not thought of highly, though there a few decks that run them but it's not their main/only win cons. Our games generally last anywhere from turn 10 - turn 13 - but some decks have gone off turn 4-6 and won. So it does vary but mostly, our games go longer.
My thoughts on how to reduce my decks power (adjust to my meta) and make it more fun below - : - Remove the most powerful tutors - Remove Protean Hulk + Boonweaver Giant/Pattern of Rebirth/Academy Rector and other infinite combos - Remove most of the hate bears - Add more dredge - Add more cards to win through combat (Craterhoof Behemoth) - Transition deck to a Karador Toolbox box deck (can win through combat) ?
Please let me know your thoughts any advice will be helpful! Feel free to include links to any Karador deck lists you think I might find useful. Sorry for the long post but looking forward to all feedback
Thanks guys! :) -Cory
Kiyomei on 京 An illusion? What are you hiding? (cEDH-$T4KS) 京
2 years ago
Updated it finally to my current Version that I own and Ordered me a Archon of Emeria!!!
I'm probably going to take Loyal Retainers out for Archon of Emeria once it arrives, Since I've been going less and less for retainers during "yisan" anyway and since I'm not on the "Jin-retainer" anymore I feel like it's time for him to retire for a while... Especially with the power the new Archon brings!!!
As for Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy I'm not so sure yet. You can always let me know if you find something exciting! (I mean it can be explosive but I'm just not 100% sure if it's worth it due to lack of testing on my part)
(PS: I went to check that dead website Moxsomething and holy moley, I knew it was going to die from the start but I didn't expect it to be so badly designed compared to this and completely deserted xD)
Zhugo12 on Karadorable [cEDH Primer]
2 years ago
smackjack yes. Loyal Retainers +Saffi Eriksdotter is the only combo in th that can get out from under Torpor Orb and the related effects.
smackjack on Karadorable [cEDH Primer]
2 years ago
Why Loyal Retainers? Only for Saffi Eriksdotter?