Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy

Legendary Creature — Human Druid

Whenever you tap a nonland permanent for mana, add one mana of any type that permanent produced.

{5}{G}{U}: Look at the top five cards of your library. You may put a non-Human creature card from among them onto the battlefield. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.

Legality

Format	Legality
1v1 Commander	Legal
Archenemy	Legal
Arena	Legal
Block Constructed	Legal
Canadian Highlander	Legal
Casual	Legal
Commander / EDH	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Custom	Legal
Duel Commander	Legal
Gladiator	Legal
Highlander	Legal
Historic	Legal
Historic Brawl	Legal
Legacy	Legal
Leviathan	Legal
Limited	Legal
Modern	Legal
Modern Beyond Horizons	Legal
Oathbreaker	Legal
Pioneer	Legal
Planar Constructed	Legal
Planechase	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal
Tiny Leaders	Legal
Vanguard	Legal
Vintage	Legal

Discussion (34)

Nunu312 on Calling All Doctors!

1 month ago

While I might like to suggest Maskwood Nexus... I don't actually think it helps you considering the lack of non-doctor creatures. It may still be useful though for pushing you over the line to reach 13.

Three Tree City is a card that might be good though.

K-9, Mark I is really good. Your board state is very important to you so forcing people to pay just a little extra to interfere with it might help you edge out a game. But at the same time, several of the doctors have to attack to activate their abilities and this will help them not die when the do so. Psychic Paper and can also do something rather similar, but might also get you that extra doctor you need. Brotherhood Regalia is another similar card.

I like where you're going with Glasspool Mimic  ^Flip, but it wont bypass legendary. Instead Sakashima the Impostor and Sakashima of a Thousand Faces can both help get around this. Even if they aren't also land.

Similarly Mirror Box is good... but doesn't synergise with what you're doing as you don't have many duplicators for it to work with. I feel like you were going a bit more for Helm of the Host?

All in all though, these are just minor tweaks, the question is what part of the game does this deck operate around? Many of the doctors are spread over a lot of the game, which leads to them being quite unfocused. But I feel you are bringing this towards being a very upkeep centric deck? The question is how to maximise that. It will help Gallifrey Stands go off, but will also help your suspended cards and other triggered effects.

Lithoform Engine could help you in several ways, duplicating doctors, but also duplicating the trigger effect of Gallifrey Stands. While not quite as useful, Annie Joins Up will also double the triggers on your doctors. Roaming Throne is also a trigger doubler... though it's a little dull because it's in every bloody deck now.

Paradox Haze similarly gets you that extra upkeep, but it falls into the problem that a lot of such things do... One extra upkeep per turn is good, but a turn is a long time. While it may be the best option, a way to get creatures into play might be a better slot in your deck?

But there is also another two problems all decks have, mana and getting the right cards. Firstly, mana. You have a lot of expensive cards and you want to be able to cast all of them. Lotus Petal is good... but I don't see it being better than a normal mana rock as you have no ability to recurse it for free. Herald's Horn would probably be better as it can remove about 25% off the cost of all your important cards, and lets you take a peek for them. Leyline of the Guildpact can help with mana fixing, though wont actually set you ahead, as would Three Tree Mascot (which also counts as a doctor). Patchwork Banner is a newer mana rock that helps buff your guys a little. Mirari's Wake is also a solid mana doubler, if a little expensive.

Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy is also very cheap and solid, though works better if you have more mana rocks.

You've got a bit of recursion from The Eighth Doctor, which is more likely to turn up due to your commander, but that means that you can take advantage of the search lands. It would require changing out a lot of the land you do have, but if you use the typed dual lands like Canopy Vista or Godless Shrine (because you may need 1 mana more than 2 life), you can search for them and then recurse the search land like Flooded Strand (which could search for any dual land as long as it's part plains or part island). If you want to find what land works like this it's best to google mtg land or some such, there are whole websites dedicated to it. Considering you're running 5 colours, Bloom Tender and Faeburrow Elder can also help supercharge your mana.

As for getting cards, I feel like you've got a decent search to get the doctors, but you are a little lacking in turn to turn draw. This often means you'll end up sitting in a game with only one card to play a turn and that's not fun. The One Ring is another groan worthy staple for how good it is (and therefore in everything), but only really relevant if you're running proxies. Collector's Vault is something I'm fond of, while it wont give you card advantage, it's cheap and you don't really mind discarding doctors anyway. Sylvan Library is also insanely powerful.

A lot of the search you do use is really expensive as well. Conflux and Diabolic Revelation are good... but they each cost a huge amount of mana, after which you still have to actually cast the cards. These are things that might help you on turn 10+ without a lot of acceleration. Instead something to get your creatures directly onto the battlefield like Victimize or possibly Pyre of Heroes.

Anyway, that's enough from me for now. Remember, look for cards that get you to your win conditions. Omniscience is great, but only if you can cast it AND if you've got the cards to play AND they are cards that lead you to victory. Perhaps 1 mana per turn or 2 cards might have been more useful.

legendofa on Diamond lion and enhanced mana …

1 year ago

Diamond Lion's ability is a mana ability, since it adds mana. It also has to tap to use it. Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy and Leyline of Abundance add extra mana when a nonland permanent/creature is tapped for mana. Does these cards allow the Lion to generate extra mana?

As far as I can see, this works, but I want to make sure there's not some odd corner rule about paying more costs or sacrificing or something.

Flarhoon13 on Lazav and Gyruda (Companion): Doom Mind

1 year ago

Ill-Gotten Gains to enable Animate Dead on It That Betrays enabled this deck to win its first game. March 26th memorably saw Lazav, Dimir Mastermind become a Priest of Titania, tapping for 11 and utilizing a Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy twice (borrowed thanks to our Roil Elemental) to cheat out a Vilis, Broker of Blood and a Geth, Lord of the Vault, only to enable the Duskmantle Guildmage and Mindcrank combo victory.

Goldberserkerdragon on Simic stompy?

1 year ago

Tumppe Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy

Never disappoints

thefiresoflurve on Atraxa Crazy Counters

1 year ago

Hey, there!

Grateful Apparition is a slight upgrade to Thrummingbird (or could run both easily).

Semester's End could be some good board wipe evasion in a pinch, and sets you up to come back swinging.

If you're looking to run big creatures and cheat them in, you can do a bit better than Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy. Defense of the Heart is low-key broken. Some other useful cards: Elvish Piper, Quicksilver Amulet, Lurking Predators. Depending on your average creature CMC, you could just run all of them and call it a day.

Kinnan does have the advantage of being instant speed and repeatable, but it's easier and cheaper (mana wise) to setup draw alongside play-from-hand effects than it is to put mana into that activated ability. I think it's just a bit too much of a slot investment to build into Kinnan as not-commander.

You probably want a Smothering Tithe and Rhystic Study in here unless your group runs truly obnoxious amounts of enchantment removal.

Boon of Safety with Atraxa is pretty useful, or Contractual Safeguard can do the same thing for all your creatures for just 2 additional mana. I'd probably prefer the latter if I had to choose, but both are good.

Happy building!

TypicalTimmy on Imoti in a Miirym deck

2 years ago

Well, Niv is copied upon ETB, not cast.

So Niv sits on the stack while you Cascade into one of the others.

I actually added Maelstrom Wanderer during my last upgrade to test the waters with it. But your idea likely is a bit more stable.

I was actually thinking of adding Kruphix, God of Horizons to hold onto the mana from Savage Ventmaw and Klauth, Unrivaled Ancient as well as just generally pooling unused mana. Even considered Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy to bypass the whole draw, cast and mana issues. Getting 7+ mana is easy. Getting something to use it on? Eh not so much.

Niko9 on What ONE card would you …

2 years ago

That's a good point that Rofellos doesn't need the same one-line 99 that Marwyn does, but yeah, neither of them are busted at all. Giving mono green access to more mana just doesn't cut it anymore. A tuned green deck by turn 3 would be looking to Fauna Shaman put down a Beast Whisperer or Green Sun's Zenith in order to assemble the win by turn 5-6. Rofellos makes a lot of mana, but you absolutely can be looking to win at 4+mana, so it will always be more optimized to have two Llanowar Elves and a Fauna Shaman at turn 2.

Heh, sorry, I spent too much time with elfball. So many games with it, for years, and Rofellos wouldn't even be top 3 commanders for mono green ramp. Honestly, Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy is by far the best ramp commander, and Rofellos isn't even close. Two Llanowar Elves plus Kinnan at turn 3 is 7 mana and a way to use it.

Niko9 on Watered down cEDH list

2 years ago

Also, I notice it's in the deck, but doesn't Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy go infinite with Basalt Monolith? I'm no cEDH player, but it seems like it would.

And what do you think about Thousand-Year Elixir for the deck in general? Maybe it's not worth it, I don't know, but if you did get it down early it could speed up all the dorks quite a bit. Elixir is also great with Fauna Shaman that could help get Kinnan for the infinite combo, or to get a really good dockside or something. And maybe the classic combo of Dryad Arbor to go with Green Sun's Zenith for that sweet turn one ramp.

Again, I'm no cEDH player, so not sure.

Though I did see recently that there is an infinite treasures combo with Storm-Kiln Artist and Fury Storm which I guess can infinite copy on itself. I don't completely understand the rulings on fury storm, but I saw it on the cEDH TV youtube channel, and he went through that yep, it does work.