Misty Rainforest

Land

{T}, Pay 1 life, Sacrifice this: Search your library for a Forest or Island card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.

Legality

Format	Legality
1v1 Commander	Legal
Archenemy	Legal
Arena	Legal
Block Constructed	Legal
Canadian Highlander	Legal
Casual	Legal
Commander / EDH	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Custom	Legal
Duel Commander	Legal
Gladiator	Legal
Highlander	Legal
Historic Brawl	Legal
Legacy	Legal
Leviathan	Legal
Limited	Legal
Modern	Legal
Modern Beyond Horizons	Legal
Oathbreaker	Legal
Planar Constructed	Legal
Planechase	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal
Tiny Leaders	Legal
Vanguard	Legal
Vintage	Legal

Discussion (49)

Balaam__ on Turtle Power!

3 months ago

There’s a lot to like here, but also room for improvement. A simple ‘strictly better’ change is to get rid of Uncharted Haven and replace it with some type of dual that’s appropriate for whatever budget you’ve allotted this deck. The problem with Uncharted Haven is it enters tapped, which automatically puts you behind schedule. Legacy is ridiculously fast paced (even in non-competitive settings) so anything with [this card] enters the battlefield tapped stapled to it is dead weight. There are a whole host of better lands to occupy that spot, some more expensive than others. Misty Rainforest and Breeding Pool immediately come to mind, as do Hengegate Pathway  ^Flip and Hinterland Harbor. There’s Tropical Island too but that’s prohibitively expensive.

At a glance, your turtles seem a bit unfocused. You’ve stuck within the creature type, yes, but they’re all pulling in different directions—Ninjutsu, Flash, counters etc. You have the right idea with the Assault Formation/Treefolk Umbra strategy, you just need to trim the extraneous stuff and double down on that. Run 4x copies of those to ensure you draw them every single game.

Cut cards you probably wont have the mana to fully utilize like Primal Might, and replace fringe-use cards like Artful Dodge and Witch's Web with things that play into Turtle Assault strengths.

You have a good base here to work with, and the good news is you wouldn’t have to change much at all to significantly streamline things, and the core idea will remain intact.

kamarupa on Don't

3 months ago

While I don't recommend it, as it really puts a target on your dorks, if you have Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy in play, a Freed from the Real on a Birds of Paradise or Noble Hierarch would generate infinite mana. There's certainly enough protection with current Instants, though, if you wanted to go that route. Bloom Tender would another solid choice to include then, if you felt so inclined.

I definitely think the manabase could be improved on. It seems there's no budget for creatures, but lands are all budget? So I was hesitant earlier, and didn't have the time either then to make a case for improvements. That said, 1x Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth is, IMO, always worth whatever mana-fixing it provides opponents. After that, I tend to prefer Botanical Sanctum, Dreamroot Cascade and Barkchannel Pathway  ^Flip to the perennially desired Breeding Pool and Misty Rainforest. I just can't stand the thought of burning 3 life to get one dual land. I usually also include Scavenger Grounds just on the off chance I face a deck that likes to bring stuff back from the graveyard.

I didn't see you asking for removal spells, but Beast Within is decent, IMO, and I wouldn't turn my nose up at any deck running Pongify or Rapid Hybridization, especially if the deck is also packing creatures that can block those 3/3 gift tokens.

While it's a bit gutsy to rely strictly on mana dorks for the white mana needed to cast Gods Willing, I rather like the idea of an unblockable swing thanks to its protection.

In my eyes, the biggest weaknesses are: Opt doesn't provide any card advantage. Divination would be better, and Harmonize better still. Hydroid Krasis, as I said before, seems to fit as well and comes with the bonus of a bit of lifegain which is never bad. And that leads to the next issue - the wincons are [almost] all legendary, and therefore rightly limited to less than 4 copies each. I do like that they come with their own means of preventing removal, though. And finally, that the mana base just isn't as premium as most the spells it supports.

Sliverguy420 on Don't

3 months ago

i'd recommend cutting birds and kinnan for Arbor Elf and Utopia Sprawl, then cutting Yavimaya Coast and adding Misty Rainforest and Breeding Pool. 7 mana cards are a bit expensive for modern, but Elder Gargaroth is pretty nice. i'd cut the Gods Willing since you have no lands that produce white. Ram Through is probably your best removal option in green if you stick to tramplers.

Nunu312 on

8 months ago

It's fair enough on the Lutri thing. It basically got banned on a technicality anyway (As it is a legal companion in every commander deck due to the rules). Though I believe this does make your deck fall under Commander Rule Zero, instead of regular Commander/EDH, but that's mostly semantics.

Fae of Wishes is another card of limited usefulness depending on your rules. Technically commander doesn't have a sideboard and therefore it cannot search for anything, but this might also be a rule you're bending (Don't let other people tell you how to have fun).

As for actual deck suggestions, some things to untap your commander might come in very handy. Patriar's Seal and Minamo, School at Water's Edge. After all, her ability says the next time you cast a spell, so if you tap her more than once, it will copy the next spell more than once.

Then your sources of deal 1 damage on a creature entering the battlefield seem like you either aren't going hard enough into it or you should strip it out entirely. It's taking up about 10% of the non-land cards in the deck and well...

If you have a Termagant Swarm with 8 counters and you have Witty Roastmaster or Gibbering Fiend and you have Ghyrson Starn, Kelermorph, then you need to find a way to kill your own termagant, because no one else is going to do it for you. Your only sources of that are Pongify and Beast Within. Sure that's not the only way you can do the synergy (Ovika, Enigma Goliath is the best way it can go)... but they are all just about as hard, often relying on your opponent to let you do them.

I'm also not sure how good Harbinger of the Seas is for you. You are running a lot of non-basic land yourself so it's not like it's going to synergise with anything you're doing so much as it's just a declaration that other players aren't allowed to play their decks until they can deal with it (which they may be entirely unable to do). It seems like a very unfun way to control the table.

As for land search, the pain fetch series, such as Scalding Tarn or Misty Rainforest might help you get that extra turn when you need it (much better than 1 life). Similarly because they get land types they can search for dual lands if you need them as long as those lands have types, like your Cinder Glade. This is generally a bit faster than Terramorphic Expanse and it's ilk.

ThassaUpYo@ssa on Kros

11 months ago

Swagner240sx

For your strategy, I'd focus on either infect or +1/+1 counters since the list seems to be a bit "busy" with too much going on. Once you choose which way you'd like to take the deck, we can further tweak - proliferation will still be central to your overall plan.

Here are some suggestions by color that you might want to consider adding to your mainboard:

{G}:

Heroic Intervention, Nature's Lore, The Great Henge, Three Visits.

{W}:

Akroma's Will, Flawless Manuever, Smothering Tithe, Teferi's Protection, Trouble in Pairs.

{U}:

Cyclonic Rift, Fierce Guardianship, Mana Drain, Swan Song.

{W}{U}

Permission Denied

I think you can get away with swapping out removing some counter spells as it seems a bit overkill - Cancel, Dispel, Envelop, Negate, and Nullify could probably come out in favor of Fierce Guardianship, Mana Drain, and Swan Song (the others could just be cut).

For your land base, I'd work the following lands in to help with your {G} {W} {U} color wheel:

Fetch Lands: Flooded Strand, Misty Rainforest, Windswept Heath

Filter Lands: Flooded Grove, Mystic Gate, Wooded Bastion

Pathways Lands: Barkchannel Pathway  ^Flip, Branchloft Pathway  ^Flip, Hengegate Pathway  ^Flip

Shock Lands: Breeding Pool, Hallowed Fountain, Temple Garden

Tri-Cycle Land: Spara's Headquarters

True Duals: Savannah, Tropical Island, Tundra

For mana rocks, I prefer the talismans over the signets:

Talisman of Curiosity, Talisman of Progress, Talisman of Unity

I think your Kros, Defense Contractor list is in a good spot, it just needs to be a little more focused.

CickNason on Prosshy Prossh

1 year ago

I would add more mana dorks: Ignoble Hierarch adds Jund colors and gives exalted as a bonus Deathrite Shaman acts as graveyard hate and can drain/gain at instant speed on on top of exiling any lands from anyone's graveyard for mana of any color also at instant speed. Delighted Halfling adds colorless or any color for legendary creatures and makes them uncounterable.

I would also add more aristocrat/sacrifice effects: Korvold, Fae-Cursed King crazy draw engine with sac synergy and a potential one-shot kill if he gets big enough Mahadi, Emporium Master generates treasures EOT based on how many creatures died, setting you up for big plays in the coming turns Pitiless Plunderer generates treasures whenever another creature you control dies immediately Chatterfang, Squirrel General basically a 3 mana Parallel Lives. Goes infinite with Pitiless Plunderer 1.Activate Chatterfang by paying b and sacrificing two other Squirrels. 2.The Squirrels die, triggering Pitiless Plunderer twice, creating two Treasure tokens and two 1/1 Squirrel tokens. 3.Activate a Treasure token by tapping and sacrificing it, adding b. 4.Repeat. 5.Resolve all Chatterfang abilities, causing any number of target creatures to get +2/-2 until end of turn any number of times. This gives you: Infinite colored mana. Infinite death triggers. Infinite ETB. Infinite LTB. Infinite sacrifice triggers. Infinite Treasure tokens. Reduce all opponents' creatures to 0 toughness.

Some pay off for sacrificing Mirkwood Bats, Blood Artist, Garna, Bloodfist of Keld & Poison-Tip Archer are good win condition for infinite sac outlet effects

Some better tutor effects: You can replace Diabolic Tutor for some other options below Diabolic Intent Tutor for 2 mana for any card with an additional sac requirement for sac effect synergies Demonic Tutor The OG best tutor Diabolic Revelation You wanna be cheeky? If you have big mana you can dump it all to grab multiple pieces to win the game

Some ramp effects: Cultivate & Kodama's Reach puts one to hand one to battlefield Nature's Lore & Three Visits puts any forest card onto the battlefield Entish Restoration is a new card that is better than harrow because you sacrifice a land on the resolution of the spell rather than paying the additional cost upfront, which makes it more safe from a feels-bad counterspells which puts you down a land. If you have a big enough creature you get 3 basics to the field all at instant speed as well. Nissa, Vastwood Seer  ^Flip is a pet card of mine which allows you to search for a basic and when you have 7 lands she flips and generate lands and card draw for pretty much free. Oracle of Mul Daya Allows you to play an additonal land every turn and allows to play them off the top of your library. If you dont see a card you like you can shuffle it away with a fetch land to try to get another off the top.

Better Lands: Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth & Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth are must includes allowing all your lands tap for B/G respectively in addition to your other colors. The pain lands Llanowar Wastes, Karplusan Forest & Sulfurous Springs are cheap dual lands that give you all your colors The reveal lands Game Trail, Foreboding Ruins & Necroblossom Snarl are also good cheaper options which give you dual colors The shocklands Blood Crypt, Overgrown Tomb & Stomping Ground are fetchable and come into play untapped for a measley 2 life are some of the best lands in the game Verdant Catacombs is the last fetch of your color not included. I would include it if you could because it allows all three of your fetches to fetch any of your shocks or battlelands. You can also include other Fetchlands as well such as Arid Mesa, Misty Rainforest etc to fetch because they can fetch for one of the jund colors of lands at least, however, they aren't as efficient Ziatora's Proving Ground is a must include because you can fetch it out and it taps for jund as well as cycle if it comes too late. If you don't have a turn one play you can fetch it out as your best land with no plays.

Hopefully this helps

CandiedRats on Budget Snow

1 year ago

Big fan of snow decks here!

For a nice budget friendly option have you considered Gaea's Blessing? It has great synergy when put into the graveyard with Glacial Revelation, and has the bonus of stopping mill decks. Maybe cut x2 The Three Seasons, and x1 Marit Lage's Slumber for these.

For Non-Budget upgrades focus on the land base. Misty Rainforest, or Prismatic Vista.

Hope this helps!

legendofa on Rat Colony hub

1 year ago

sergiodelrio I'm also avoiding loose and vague hubs names. They get used incorrectly or are broad to the point of all-inclusive.

Vague hub names have caused problems in the past. One hub in particular (Team America, now inactive) was being used for the wrong decks entirely. It's a Legacy {B}{G}{U} tempo shell from 2008-2009, but was being treated as a synonym for any Jeskai deck, which is about as far away from the intended definition as you can get. I understand the source of the confusion, but a confusing hub is not a good hub, in my opinion. If it can't be understood at a glance, it's going to get reworked.

"Reduced variance" or "low variance" also already exists, kind of, as the "competitive" hub. The whole intent of competitive decks is to reduce variance as much as possible, so that the deck is as streamlined and consistent as possible. This is achieved through tutors, redundancy, deck manipulation, using playsets of cards, and so on. So what would be the criteria for inclusion in a "low variance" hub? I expect that a "low variance" hub would be highly subjective, used for any deck that its creator thinks is unusually consistent, whether or not it actually is.

I have also declined to put in a real tutor hub so far for similar reasons. How many tutors do you need to have to be a "tutor" deck? Is four enough, with Imperial Seal, Vampiric Tutor, Diabolic Tutor, and Diabolic Intent? What about Eladamri's Call, Green Sun's Zenith, Natural Order, Buried Alive, Terramorphic Expanse, Misty Rainforest, Mystical Tutor... What would be a short and solid description of a "tutor" deck? "A deck that regularly searches its library" would include landfall decks, almost every competitive EDH deck, "silver bullet" decks, and hatebear decks, all of which already have their own hub, and probably more. "A deck with seven or more card that search its owner's library" is arbitrary, as is any other number for inclusion. "A deck that regularly searches its library for specific cards that help it advance its win condition"--nah, I'm going to search for this useless card that doesn't help me at all.

Incidentally, "scry" is already available as a hub in the keyword/subtype checklist.

If a hub includes a $300 Dragon's Approach Pioneer deck, a $80 Elrond, Master of Healing casual Commander deck, and a $50,000 Vintage Beseech the Mirror deck, that hub becomes even broader than the aggro/combo/control archetypes, and as such becomes almost meaningless. I've added Dragon's Approach, Rat Colony, and Shadowborn Apostle to the short list for consideration, so they might be coming soon; I didn't see as many decks or as much diversity for Persistent Petitioners. And don't worry about a long post, as long as it's meaningful. It shows the idea has people willing to defend it and fight for it, which makes it more likely to be included one way or another.