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Windswept Heath
Land
, Pay 1 life, Sacrifice Windswept Heath: Search your library for a Forest or Plains card and put it onto the battlefield. Then shuffle your library.
sergiodelrio on
Bounce
3 weeks ago
Try this:
Replace 2x Hallowed Fountain
with 2x Breeding Pool.
Replace 4x Misty Rainforest with 2x Flooded Strand and 2x Windswept Heath.
Replace 1x Island and 1x Plains with 2x Forest.
I know why you did what you did, but give my setup a shot for a few playtests.
The problem with your manabase is that it's quite scattered, even if the numbers seem to check out in the pie chart. You need lots of green pips, and lots of isolated pips in general, so you can't even out on fetches and shocks.
Draw forests more naturally. Get dorks online. Fetch pips you didn't draw. Minimize lands like Hallowed Fountain that can't pay for your multicolored spells in a deck with more than 2 colors. What I mean by that is, those are UW in your deck, so hallowed fountain sucks, since you're gonna need another land anyway to pay for multis, but you need green too. Possibly get rid of the fountains alltogether.
Hope this makes sense. Source: trust me xD
Cheers!
kamarupa on
Population Bomb
3 months ago
Nice work! I guess you really deserve some props, as I've seen plenty of people on here that aren't new list decks as certain formats but still include cards that aren't legal in that format. So that's why I asked.
In terms of advice, I probably have more than you want. For starters, I'm not sure a Populate/Tokens deck is going to be what I would consider "fast-paced." It may or may not keep up with a Goblin deck - it would really depend on the caliber of each deck and to a lesser degree, the player piloting that deck. When it comes to speed, I think of low MV infinite combos, burn, Elves, +1/+1 counter Humans... So if you're really looking for speed, then there may be better place to look.
That said, if it's not so much speed, but a tokens, and tokens that can maybe compete with a fast paced Goblin deck, I think that is probably possible. As it stands, it looks like you've got a fairly budget brew going, though I notice a few pricier spells in the sideboard. So I'll be mentioning both cheap and pricier spells and let you decide where you want to draw the line.
For starters, land is one of the best investments you can make. All decks need it and the better lands you have to choose from, the more solid your decks' foundations will be. In my opinion, there is no point in spending big bucks on spells when your land base can't consistently cast them. www.managathering.com is an awesome resource to find lands. It didn't exist when I first started brewing, but I go there all the time now, namely because I just can't remember all the card names like I used to, lol. Ideally, you want lands that don't enter tapped, especially if you're going for speed. If you can afford them, Temple Garden & Windswept Heath are the perennial favorites. But Razorverge Thicket, Overgrown Farmland, and Branchloft Pathway
Flip are all decent. I recommend 22 lands for a "fast deck" - IE a deck with an Average MV of 2 or less (2.05 is close enough). Much greater than 2 average and I'd recommend 23-24 lands. Which stinks, I know, because the more land you include, the less spells you get and more likely you are to get mana screwed. But I've found that if you ever want to reliably cast spells that are 3 or more, you're going to need those extra few lands. Even with mana ramp, 16 is not enough land.
Typically, Artifact/Enchantment removal spells go in the sideboard. And typically, people run 4x creature removal in the mainboard: Any of the following would be good: Winds of Abandon, Sheltered by Ghosts, Path to Exile should be in the mainboard.
Druid's Deliverance is fun, but even in decks where I include Fog, I rarely include more than 1 copy. At double the MV, Druid's Deliverance is either going to tie up your mana (slowing you down), and/or delay instead of remove, and/or get cast just for the populate, which you already have spells for. So I'd suggest cutting it 1 copy.
Fight as One is... a decent spell. Heroic Intervention would be better. Since all but 1 of your creatures is white, Brave the Elements would be more versatile and cheaper and Tamiyo's Safekeeping is just cheaper. In my experience, 1 is the MV that is best for protection spells because it doesn't need as much mana to be available - that is - they're just more versatile. And I usually only include 1-2 of such spells.
I'd just cut Selesnya Charm. It just doesn't do anything that well and it's single use doesn't make it valuable enough to include.
Call of the Conclave is similar to Selesnya Charm - tokens aren't much about how big so much as how many. Repeatable token generators are going to be bigger threats than single-use spells.
The thing with Populate is that it doesn't really give you much oomph unless you've got bigger tokens. So you're not wrong looking for tokens that are on the bigger size. But since tokens are easy to get rid of and impossible to bring back, most people ignore the Populate mechanic altogether in favor of making lots of tokens as quickly as possible and at instant speed if they can.
Thraben Doomsayer is pretty good, though I do hate the 3MV casting cost. But you can make tokens at instant speed, which is great, and you can do it every turn.
Lingering Souls is one of the best token spells because you get so many for not that much mana, though you don't have the black mana here to make it worthwhile.
Tocasia's Welcome is great card draw for tokens, namely if you can create a token on your turn and your opponent's turn.
Creatures that care about ETB triggers are really good with tokens, too. You really can't go wrong with Soul Warden and/or Soul's Attendant - with 6+ Soul Sisters, I'd imagine a Goblin deck would find it very difficult to hit you for more life than they cause you to gain. And if you can gain enough life, Speaker of the Heavens gives you tokens that are worth Populating.
Growing Ranks is pretty good, but at 4MV,it's on the slow side.
Overrun is a good spell here, and I think you've got the right number.
Wake the Reflections is ok, I guess, but again, only copying 1 token just isn't as good as it might seem. At least it only costs you 1 to cast. The question is whether its actually powerful enough to be worth including, verses using that space for more token spells.
Something like Ephemerate or Cloudshift would probably be good with Hare Apparent
I like Finneas, Ace Archer, but I don't like it enough to overlook its Legendary status to run 4 copies.
Broad-stroke advice: 4x creature removal, 2x protection spell, 1x fog spell, 22x lands, 2-3x card advantage spell, 12x token generators, 8x ETB trigger spells. That leaves you with about 10 spells to lean into a mechanic like populate or more removal, etc, etc.
Please don't think what I write is definitive or that I'm insisting. Ignore whatever you want. I'm just throwing out my thoughts, hoping something might be useful for you.
MadPilot on
Infect 2025 (UG)
3 months ago
Why Nature's Claim when I have Force of Vigor in SB to cast for free?
No Inkmoth Nexus is a conscious decision because I want access to green mana always. Also Ikmoth is overrated in this deck as without ramp it can only kill as soon as turn 4. The Glistener Elf can do that on T2 and Plague Stinger on T3 (also without ramp). I talk about creature + Scale Up + either Groundswell or Might of Old Krosa combo.
Instead of Verdant Catacombs I have Windswept Heath which do the same.
Also dude, I have no "slow lands", what are you talking about?
ThassaUpYo@ssa on
Kros
1 year ago
For your strategy, I'd focus on either infect or +1/+1 counters since the list seems to be a bit "busy" with too much going on. Once you choose which way you'd like to take the deck, we can further tweak - proliferation will still be central to your overall plan.
Here are some suggestions by color that you might want to consider adding to your mainboard:
:
Heroic Intervention, Nature's Lore, The Great Henge, Three Visits.
:
Akroma's Will, Flawless Manuever, Smothering Tithe, Teferi's Protection, Trouble in Pairs.
:
Cyclonic Rift, Fierce Guardianship, Mana Drain, Swan Song.
I think you can get away with swapping out removing some counter spells as it seems a bit overkill - Cancel, Dispel, Envelop, Negate, and Nullify could probably come out in favor of Fierce Guardianship, Mana Drain, and Swan Song (the others could just be cut).
For your land base, I'd work the following lands in to help with your color wheel:
Fetch Lands: Flooded Strand, Misty Rainforest, Windswept Heath
Filter Lands: Flooded Grove, Mystic Gate, Wooded Bastion
Pathways Lands: Barkchannel Pathway Flip, Branchloft Pathway Flip, Hengegate Pathway Flip
Shock Lands: Breeding Pool, Hallowed Fountain, Temple Garden
Tri-Cycle Land: Spara's Headquarters
True Duals: Savannah, Tropical Island, Tundra
For mana rocks, I prefer the talismans over the signets:
Talisman of Curiosity, Talisman of Progress, Talisman of Unity
I think your Kros, Defense Contractor list is in a good spot, it just needs to be a little more focused.
austintayshus on
1 year ago
You're welcome!
Fetchlands are great with Maja as well like Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse and Windswept Heath.
And with cards like Ramunap Excavator or Crucible of Worlds, you can reuse those fetches!
legendofa on
1 year ago
An easy switch would be the shocklands Hallowed Fountain, Breeding Pool, and Temple Garden. They're pretty much the next best thing to the original duals, and they can be picked up by Windswept Heath and friends that search for a land type, not a basic land. Spara's Headquarters and Waterlogged Grove are also good options.
And, as a personal choice, I like to include enough basic lands to cast any card in the deck of basics alone. You never know when a Ruination or Back to Basics is going to wander in.
Abbanation01 on
Vorinclex - High Power
1 year ago
Wooded Foothills and Windswept Heath make no sense in this deck, since you dont run any nonbasic forest cards. it would always just be fetching a basic forest, which could have just been included instead of the fetchland
legendofa on Any cheap mana permanent with …
1 year ago
Yeah, it's good to get out and play in person if you can. Stay safe, meet good people, and enjoy it.
First thought is, as long as there's no proxy limit, use the original dual lands. Tundra, Taiga, and all the rest have all the upside of the shocklands with none of the downside. If you can, the fetchlands (Wooded Foothills, Windswept Heath, etc.) will give you more consistency and precision in your land base as well.
Basically, proxy up the best possible version of the card you have. Another couple of switches could be Idyllic Tutor -> Enlightened Tutor, or Doomskar -> Supreme Verdict, and even these could probably be improved. The goal is to go as fast and hard as possible. If you want to stick with the Shrine core, then maximize the support and land base. Find ways to play two or three Shrines each turn. Skim through the Legacy meta and pull ideas from there. If everyone's allowed to proxy everything, then you have free reign to go wild.
Above all, have fun!
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