Exile target card from a graveyard.
Draw a card.
Combos Browse all
|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Cremate occurrence in decks from the last year
Latest Decks as Commander
1 month ago
Aaah MAN I can NOT beLIEVE I forgot about Hymn to Tourach, I'm so disappointed in myself.
The comment about the interaction is totally true, I really wanted to try out the strategy of suicide black and didn't really think about interaction too much. I'll probably take your advice and add in some Dismember and some Inquisition of Kozilek, those are both pretty good and well within budget range for me.
Cling to Dust is pretty good, I'll try it out in place of Cremate, the reason I have those (and Aphotic Wisps) is because I just really love cantrip effects; mostly irrational, but I like them nonetheless.
Rouse is really fun as a combat trick with a Death's Shadow, but you might be right about it not having high enough impact on the game; maybe I'll try out Cruel Bargain instead. But, only a couple, I want to keep the CMC down, the other slots will likely be for interaction.
I really enjoy playing Village Rites just as a card, especially post combat with it being the only card in my hand, but yes, it is a really really bad topdeck. I might cut some number for other card draw, but if I ever do end up with Unearth in the main I will likely bump the number up again.
Speaking of Unearth, yes, the sideboard is more of a maybeboard; it's filled mostly with cards I enjoy playing in this strategy, or just don't have room for.
For more removal, I'll mix it up with an assortment of some of the cards you suggested.
Thanks so much for the suggestions Draly, I have virtually no experience with the legacy format so it's nice to have someone with insight to offer.
1 month ago
Always happy to see Sui-Black ! It used to be my deck of choice when I first started playing legacy competitively, it's a nice budget option for beginners. It has been a while since I last played it but I still have a good grasp of the format as a whole, so, if I may, I'd like to give you some advice. I think an ideal version deck can reach about 40% winrate when played perfectly (you probably won't win tournaments but you will not get destroyed either), but I also think yours may need a few tweaks. I'll try to be mindful of the budget constraint.
What strikes me when I look at your deck is the lack of interaction, one of the core components that makes Sui-Black viable in legacy is the access to efficient discard. If toughtseize is too expensive Duress and Inquisition of Kozilek can play the role just fine. I also don't think you should neglet Hymn to Tourach, on turn 2 it can sometimes be an instant win if for example you hit your opponents lands.
I'd get rid of Cremate and some number of Rouse and Aphotic Wisps, those cards simply don't do enough. Cremate, unless you know your meta is incredibly graveyard centric is too inconsenquential; yes it's card neutral but you still pay mana and tempo to essentially do nothing. If you still want to have access to this kind of effects for whatever reason I advise you to play Cling to Dust instead which can serve as card advantage later in the game. Regarding the other two, first you seem a little creature light to me, then they are an horrendous top deck, they open the door to 2-for-1s from your opponent and, even in the best case scenario, they're simply not that good. Rouse's kind of effects especially are usually not worth a card.
Similarly I don't really understand the presence of Village Rites... Your deck does not synergize with this kind of effects and I'm not sure you want to sac your already few creatures. If it's there to cash in targets of opposing removal, it's not really worth it. And, once again, terrible top deck. It's the kind of trap cards that feel good when they work but that we don't blame for losing because we usually don't think about what would have happened if we drew something else. You'd better be playing Sign in Blood (which also can double as a burn spell) or Cruel Bargain. Similarly I think Spoils of the Vault is somewhat of a trap too, but the card is both fun and unique enough that I won't complain :p
You could probably play more removal. There are the usual suspects Fatal Push, Dismember, Eliminate, Bloodchief's Thirst... But being mono-B you also have access to more niche options like Gatekeeper of Malakir, Geth's Verdict or even Spinning Darkness.
I won't touch on the SB too much, it needs to be tuned to your meta, but right now it looks more like a "maybe board" to me.
I hope you'll find this useful and I'd encourage you to take a look at this forum http://www.legacy-france.org/index.php?showtopic=13440&st=0 It's in french but decklists are in english and you may find interesting choices of cards in there. I especially like the first list, though it's a bit old and more on the controlling side than yours.
2 months ago
Hey Icaruskid, thanks for the +1 and nice comment! I like your list too. I have a few suggestions -
I think you should run more graveyard-hate. I only see Planar Void, but you need more ways to wipe your opponent’s graveyard. If your graveyard gets wiped too, that’s fine. Some deck types love it when you discard their cards for them, like The Gitrog Monster and Reanimator decks, and those decks are your main weakness. I’ve learned this from other T/O users who saw the same problem with my deck. You need to be able to draw more options without having to tutor for them all the time. Cards like Leyline of the Void, Tormod's Crypt, Cremate, Cling to Dust, Nihil Spellbomb, Soul-Guide Lantern, Relic of Progenitus, etc.
Another card I really like is Praetor's Grasp because it allows you to take out the card you think your opponent needs the most for their strategy. It has served me well several times.
Happy Halloween! :)
4 months ago
1) Its a dead card outside of the combo. So when you draw it while searching for combo pieces or a counterspell, its a big feelsbad moment as it doesnt do anything.
2) It requires you to have a creature on the battlefield already able to attack, so you had to play a creature last turn and it had to survive all the opponents turns. But the deck doesnt really have creatures, just a few, and on top of that the deck usually just wins on the spot. It makes like one big set up turn to find stuff, then untaps at like turn6 with absolutely nothing on the board (except for lands ofc^^) and just goes High Tide, Tatyova, Sanctuary, counterspell, counterspell, Flicker, win all in one turn.
So the Gear was definitely a very bad wincon, so I switched to Compulsive Research. Its not a dead card outside of the combo because it draws me cards, it lets me win on the turn that I comboed off, I dont have to set it up a turn. Its just better.
But I still had to run Displace, because the entire deck had no way to combo if Ghostly Flicker gets somehow removed. And people are definitely ready for that. They activate Faerie Macabre or cast Cremate while the Ghostly Flicker is in my graveyard with a Mystic Sanctuary trigger targetting it. And if they manage to remove the Flicker, my entire deck has no way to make infinite mana/draws anymore. So I had to run Displace as a worse alternative.
But then I found out about Tidal Bore which brought another combo line to the table, took a lot of pressure away from Ghostly Flicker and made my landdroppers like Sakura-Tribe Scout combo pieces. That basically allowed me to get rid of Displace. I added Whispers of the Muse in that iteration as the Tidal Bore combo only makes infinite mana (and infinite life) but doesnt draw infinite cards. The Ghostly Flicker combo never had that problem because after generating infinite mana you could always Flicker Sanctuary+Island to draw an extra card. But the Tidal Bore combo doesnt have that implemented. So Whispers of the Muse became really handy. As a side note: I onced Tidal Bore comboed and had infinite mana but no card to draw my library. But I had a Scrivener in play and a Blink of an Eye in hand. So I kicker-blinked my Scrivener, drew a card, recast Scrivener to get back Blink and repeated that to draw my library.
Thats basically the main engines and the correct way of actually winning is to draw your library until you find everything you need (and not more^^ People might make you draw a card on instant speed), bounce all their permanents (inlcuding lands) with either Capsize or Boomerang loop (Ghostly Flicker on Archaeomancer + Sanctuary gives you back Boomerang) and then make them draw their whole libraries with the Compulsive Research loop and enough of counterspells in hand because they might float all their mana and fight together over your Compulsive Research while you made them draw so many cards.
And if they managed to exile the Compulsive Research beforehand, you can still just Capsize their entire boards, and hit them a few rounds with Tatyova and a few creatures for lethal (commander) damage. Thanks to commander damage that even works in the case where someone has managed to get infinite life at some point before. But thats just niche cases Im thinking about, that nobody should really think about.
4 months ago
4 months ago
Here are my favorites per color, and of course, colorless!:
Now, as I mentioned, there are plenty staples I didn't mention, here are some of the less common, more budget cards. If you want a list of all the dorks, draw engines, etc. that are at 1 cmc and should be run, just ask!
5 months ago
Personally when tuned this probably wants a few more pieces to properly abuse the graveyard, specifically your opponents' graveyards, as they, when stocked as this list does so well, can be value your opponents gain in the cases of Kess, Gitrog, and many other decks. Cling to Dust acts as a cantrip that exiles a card, as does Cremate, and while both can be run, cling is repeatable from your graveyard, however is perfectly fine for gaining life for a Necro or for Tinybones triggers when need be.
Cling is my best suggestion for this build.
Mikokoro serves triple in the deck. It draws you action in a pinch, and can be played politically in a pinch too, however secondly can fill opponent's hands when they are empty just for the discard triggers. Thirdly, it can stop all Thassa's Oracle combos, as when the trigger is on the stack if they draw a card and have no cards in deck, they die.
Yes, it's worse than Geier Reach Sanitarium, however is a second copy for consistency!
9 months ago
Alright, let's see if maybe this will help. I'm really new to everything on here sorry. //Lands 2 Dismal Backwater 1 Dimir Guildgate 2 Submerged Boneyard 4 Evolving Wilds 2 Desert of the Mindful 1 Arcane Lighthouse 1 Reliquary Tower 1 Temple of the False God
//Spells 4 Duress 2 Ghoulcaller's Chant 3 Macabre Waltz 3 Sleep 4 Slip Through Space 2 Taigam's Scheming 4 Tome Scour 4 Lich's Caress 4 Sovereign's Bite 4 Resourceful Return 3 March of the Returned 1 In Garruk's Wake 1 Army of the Damned 1 Dutiful Return 1 Decompose 1 Worst Fears 1 Rise of the Dark Realms 4 Hubris 4 Countermand 1 Tezzeret's Touch 1 Paranoid Delusions 1 Coerced Confession 2 Mind Sculpt 1 Compelling Argument 1 Index 1 Redirect 1 Dream Twist 2 Gift of Tusks 2 Rewind 3 Thought Scour 2 Psychic Spiral 1 Gigadrowse 4 Negate 1 Overwhelming Denial 1 Dramatic Reversal 1 Impulse 2 Cremate 3 Crypt Incursion 2 Grim Harvest 1 Scarab Feast 1 Grim Return 1 Gravepurge 1 Dark Ritual 4 Font of Return 3 Death's Approach 2 Cast into Darkness 1 Triskaidekaphobia 1 Grave Betrayal 1 Endless Ranks of the Dead 3 Invisibility 2 Curiosity 4 Curse of the Bloody Tome 3 Illusory Wrappings 3 Ice Over 1 Chronic Flooding 1 Navigator's Ruin 1 Chant of the Skifsang 3 Bone Saw 3 Millstone 3 Tormod's Crypt 2 Trepanation Blade 1 Ghoulcaller's Bell 1 Masterwork of Ingenuity 1 Sol Ring 1 Nihil Spellbomb 1 Illusionist's Bracers 1 Codex Shredder 1 Profane Memento 1 Loxodon Warhammer 1 Bonehoard 1 Trusty Machete 1 Mirari 1 Argentum Armor
//Creatures 1 Archetype of Finality 1 Overeager Apprentice 1 Agent of Erebos 1 Butcher Ghoul 1 Risen Executioner 1 Dutiful Attendant 1 Sly Requisitioner 1 Sepulchral Primordial 2 Zombie Assassin 1 Nightmare 1 Marshmist Titan 3 Graven Abomination 4 Workshop Assistant 4 Guardians of Meletis 2 Phyrexian Revoker 2 Ornithopter 1 Juggernaut 2 Veilborn Ghoul 2 Minotaur Abomination 4 Undead Servant 3 Gravedigger 2 Mogis's Marauder 2 Bogstomper 4 Walking Corpse 3 Corpse Hauler 4 Gravewaker 2 Returned Phalanx 3 Faerie Miscreant 1 Master of Predicaments 2 Benthic Giant 1 Stormtide Leviathan 4 Screeching Skaab 2 Seer of the Last Tomorrow 1 Floating-Dream Zubera 3 Fog Bank 1 Possessed Skaab 3 Armored Skaab 2 Murmuring Phantasm 1 Wall of Frost 4 Doorkeeper 1 Clever Impersonator 1 Jace's Mindseeker 1 Oculus 1 Mindshrieker 1 Willbreaker 1 Spellweaver Eternal 1 Wall of Mist 1 Sultai Skullkeeper 1 Diregraf Captain