, Sacrifice Tormod's Crypt: Exile all cards from target player's graveyard.
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Tormod's Crypt Discussion
2 weeks ago
I don’t think Altar of the Brood helps you here. You’re never likely to mill your opponent out this way, and i’m not sure its a strategy you want to be pushing.
the upcoming card Consider seems useful for this deck, for helping you find Mirrodin Besieged while also filling your graveyard. Mishra's Bauble is also amazing for the same reason. Likewise, Chromatic Sphere and Chromatic Star hugely accelerate your gameplan - you could easily end up running a bunch of these effects and creating a very fast & consistent engine.
I’m surprised you’re not running more copies of Salvage Titan - it seems like a great way to fill the grave and accelerate your win.
You need Mirrodin Besieged to have a chance of winning: you should be running the full playset.
I don’t think you need Etherium Sculptor. It’s not an artifact, and most your stuff is cheap. I get it helps with Mystic Forge but that feels far too narrow a use-case (Personally i’d also ditch the forge).
Relic of Progenitus is better than Tormod's Crypt here because it draws you a card. This ties in with many of my suggestions above, bug you really want your artifacts to be cheap, and replace themselves. That way you’ll find your win condition quickly, and have the fuel required to achieve it fast.
3 weeks ago
magwaaf, here is the explanation for the sideboard cards: Damping Sphere for tron + storm, Fog for any aggro decks, Gaea's Blessing for mill, Negate for combo + control, Tormod's Crypt for any decks that rely on graveyards (Dragon's Rage Channeler and stuff), Void Mirror for cascade decks, and Tombstalker and Gurmag Angler just to change up the threats in the deck.
wallisface in my playtesting of the deck, the mill cards have been pretty consistent. I agree that sorcery speed cards aren't good in a control deck, however I like Chart a Course because I both draw and discard, and it's the only discard effect. I'll do some research on some instant speed looting effects. I run 3 of each of the creatures so I'm less likely to draw them, and for room for other cards. I'm so dumb, I love both Bone Shards and Collective Brutality, I can't believe I forgot about them! You're probably right about the lands. I'll playtest with all the cards you suggested, thanks!
3 weeks ago
Thanks rb701 for youre comment!
But im not sure if i just should remove Blinkmoth Urn since i never really needed it and the deck is running pretty well at the moment.
Any other ideas what to Change?
At the Moment im thinking of something like this:
1 x Tormod's Crypt Graveyard hate
1 x Grave Pact Creatures
2 x Altar of the Brood more mill
1 x Profane Memento lifegain against aggro
4 x Feed the Swarm
1 x Genesis Chamber
3 weeks ago
Alpha already had various ways to interact with the graveyard--there might not have been mechanisms to fill your graveyard with relative ease, but it was clear from the very beginning of the game that the graveyard was intended to be useful. Five cards, spread across three colors (though mostly black) specifically allow you to use the graveyard as a resource: Animate Dead, Nether Shadow, Raise Dead, Regrowth, Resurrection.
Arabian Nights skipped over these effects, but they came back very quickly in Antiquities, which also expanded graveyard shenanigans to Blue, and Legends, which had more recursion options.
Then we got The Dark, which is the first real set to focus on using the graveyard as a tool outside of "get my card back"--cards like Eater of the Dead, Frankenstein's Monster, and Grave Robbers, which allowed you to weaponize your graveyard for additional boons. The Dark also saw the introduction of Tormod's Crypt, the first real piece of dedicated graveyard hate.
Even in the initial sets, it is clear that the graveyard was designed to serve as a possible second hand and, by August 1994, it was clear that the graveyard was to be considered a resource in other manners as well. Saying that it was "originally designed to be the modern equivalent of exile" ignores how many early-game effects interacted with the graveyard, as well as ignores the fact that exile has existed since the game's very first set.
3 weeks ago
When I first got into edh I didn’t want to discard or sacrifice my permanents, but after changing my Chromium, the Mutable into a Varina, Lich Queen deck I have grown to love messing with my graveyard and am okay with exiling cards permanently as well.
Some of my favorite interactions have come thru using Altar of Dementia with Faith's Reward sacrificing my board to mill out an opponent then bringing it all back for some etb triggers with Binding Mummy or Noxious Ghoul.
You can lose everything to a Tormod's Crypt or Leyline of the Void but overall having graveyard recursion makes me less worried about protecting my pieces, so I can sometimes make seemingly unfavorable plays that actually benefit me in the long run.
1 month ago
Have you considered spells with the Awaken ability? All you'd have to do is pay a little extra mana and they become land creatures with +1/+1 counters on them, Spells with Awaken include, but are not limited to, Earthen Arms, Rush of Ice and Scatter to the Winds.
One card you may want to consider is Emergent Sequence. It's essentially a more powerful Rampant Growth.
Also, May I also suggest adding in Nissa, Steward of Elements? Not only can you scry with it, but if you already know what card is on top you may be able to use the second ability to put it straight onto the battlefield.
For targeted Removal, I think a proactive approach is what you should work with. Spells to accomplish this with include, but are not limited to, Counterspell, Decisive Denial, Dissolve, and Voidslime.
As for lands, you may want to consider lands that allow you to search your library. These include, but are not limited to, Bant Panorama, Fabled Passage and Terramorphic Expanse. This, combined with Ramunap Excavator, will give you a basic land card search every turn. They will also feed the landfall abilities. Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth will give Nissa, Who Shakes the World some mana support. It is a tad expensive so make sure you add it to your to buy list for a later date.
Thank You for reading me out. I hope all this helps.
1 month ago
FisterMantastic Yeah, 4 rips for sure. And couple of Soul-Guide Lanterns or Tormod's Crypt (whatever you like more) if you need more hate should do the trick. I don't think they are that consistent but FYI Ravenous Trap and Crypt Incursion might be fun/interesting SB cards that can also do the trick. Grafdigger's Cage can also stop living end.
If force of negation es a problem a card that I found works surprisingly well and is super fun to play is Mana Tithe. It works the first time at least xD, so I just sideboard it in game 2 and took it out if I had to play game 3. It also works quite well just against the Violent Outburst and the living end itself, since normally they tap out to cast it as soon as possible. No one expects the Spanish Inquisition...I mean, the white counterspell. Not the most consistent thing but a fun one to have in mind at least from time to time.
Yeah, chalice of the void could do the trick pretty nicely, but I feel the same as you. I want it for the side of another deck but man...that kind of money for a sideboard card hurts...
Glad to help! The more people play and test it the more feedback we will have and the better it could become. I am hoping for players better than me to give it a try, hahaha. I just hope most people that try it are at least a bit luckier than you with the matchups, xD.
1 month ago
FisterMantastic The vial thing I don't get how is always that bad for you because it tends to be great for me.
But for the rest, yeah, you are pretty unlucky, it seems that your local meta consist in mainly the decks we struggle most against, that's quite unfortunate. I guess you would have to work on the sideboard a lot. The SB in here needs a few changes for the actual meta, a few more creature removal to begin with.
Goblin combo (or any combo deck) is really hard for us. If there are a bunch of those Nevermore is probably our best side option to try to stop combos. Also fatal pushes on the side to take the snoop.
Jund unless they put Lili on turn 3 I don't tend to find it an specially difficult matchup, but like for the living end, put Rest in Peace on the side and that should be enough most of the times. If there are that many living ends around you maybe you even want some extra (and cheaper) graveyard hate to make sure it doesnt get though seized, Tormod's Crypt or Soul-Guide Lanternshould be able to do that job.
Ephemerate + Grief or Solitude (or anything that basically give us card disadvantage) hurts a ton. Shalai helps with that, but is a T4 play which many times is too slow. If you suffer that much against them you may want to put Leyline of Sanctity on the side, or double down in instant speed kill spells to make sure that at least you only get hit by each those once and not 2 or 3 times.
Affinitty doesn't tend to be hard for me, only sometimes because of Urza's Saga. Switch the Anguished Unmakings for Vindicates to help with that (I've done it, I should actualize this list, xD). Other than that it shouldn't be a problem with all the life gain. But you have a million "disenchant" effects in white if you feel like needing more hate.
Hammertime is a pretty hard match up specially on the draw. Double down on instant speed removal to kill its things while they are gettin equipped (mainly put a few pushes in the side)and hope you can stabilize before you die. Maybe even play Stony Silence even if having that doesn't totally stop them because of Sigarda's Aid. Bear in mind that we worry more about the trample in the Shadowspear than the hammer itself.
But yeah, I am sorry man, you have literally the worst meta possible to play this thing. I hope this helps a bit but you are in a tough area to play this. Mine is just the opposite, full of ultra aggressive decks that I can easily stomp.
I am happy at least you are finding this thing fun because I really think it's a super fun deck to play!
Good luck today, I hope it goes better!