War Room

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Discussion (49)

KBK7101 on Captain Ferrero Rocher

1 day ago

This deck looks pretty good! I love the idea of a better Hero of Precinct One as a commander. The tokens he makes have really nice art, too!

Maybe ditch Agrus Kos, Wojek Veteran for a damage doubler like Dictate of the Twin Gods or something? Feather, the Redeemed doesn't seem to have much support, so I'd suggest replacing her (I think I only counted one or two instants that would trigger her). Nahiri, the Harbinger also seems a bit weak. Maybe another card to be replaced? War Room is another card draw effect on a land. Needleverge Pathway  ^Flip might be worth a look to replace a basic as well. Same with the white and red artifact lands, Ancient Den and Great Furnace .

FoxandtheVoid on Norin, Agent of Chaos

1 week ago

Profet93

Thank you so much for your interest in my deck and this thorough suggestion list and comment. So starting off with the draw you suggested, I kinda missed War Room , I am currently making up a list of things I want to change and I'm slightly changing up the pacing and direction and will be adding more draw. So War Room will definitely be one on the list. Tome of Legends is on my list already so thank you for confirmation on a good draw, especially with Norin popping in and out every turn. I don't know why but Endless Atlas doesn't feel too good to me, maybe if it were 1 mana I'd probably throw that in too but as is I'll pass. Humble Defector my current meta isn't super into playing nice politics so I haven't considered this, also the lack of abusable ETB makes me lean against it. I'll probably talk more on my meta at the end of the comment. As for Ignite the Future and Light Up the Stage they have been kinda on a watchlist, the list I'm working on is gonna look to make big plays with a handful of x cost spells so the flashback with Ignite the Future is less spicy in that sense but still a card I'm looking into playtesting a bit.

Moving on to the Ramp suggestions Curse of Opulence seems nice and I will definitely consider it as I change Norin up to keep it feeling a bit more fresh. Dockside Extortionist I haven't picked up yet because I support my LGS as much as possible and they ones I frequent the most haven't had any in stock when I've been there, and the one time they did - money was a factor. As for the crypt and the gauntlet, I have been playing magic for 20 some years now so many of the pricey cards weren't so pricey when I got them and also have had a healthy local trading market. Yes Myriad Landscape is too slow for my liking. You are correct in your assumption that I am not running Ruby Medallion because of the high amount of artifacts I'm running. It will likely be reconsidered. Sword of the Animist seems kinda good on paper, but my meta likes to do lots of spell casting on other peoples turns so I feel bad spending 2 to equip only to have someone cast a spell and make Norin go away. Oh, and as for Gauntlet of Power and Caged Sun both are going in with my next big change so stay tuned lol.

Utility & Misc. Chandra, Torch of Defiance is good, I'll consider it but not sure where to fit it in, also she will never live to see her -7 in my meta. Dualcaster Mage wasn't considered because I'm only running 9 sorcery and 1 instant and most of them not super great to duplicate, my new list may change this so I may come back and reconsider. Sunbird's Invocation seems perfect for the new list I'm cooking up, thank you! I will definitely play test that. Blast Zone just seems meh, I don't like the XX cost, I haven't found too many enchantments I've wanted to remove and when I do I make them artifacts and destroy them or take them. Flametongue Kavu and Inferno Titan just seem too expensive for what they do, the Kavu being limited to creatures is a bummer imo. Terror of the Peaks should go on to replace Warstorm Surge I'll have to look into that. And lastly Zealous Conscripts used to be in the deck along with a Goblin Recruiter and Moggcatcher and every game was basically the same, tutor for kiki and either gamble or wheel into zealous it felt boring and I didn't enjoy playing it. Might make a return one day in the right meta.

As for your synergy suggestion, I would add it but my new list is actually going to omit Mind's Eye.

Now for my meta... well I currently find myself in limbo as just a few weeks ago my group had a bit of a falling out. Basically, one of my friends became the direct boss of others in the group and he had to let one of them go from the company during covid lockdowns and it just created a lot of bad blood. Drama aside, we had some people showing up with cEDH decks when others were playing intentionally suboptimal decks and only one other person would play nice politics with me so it was kind of difficult at times. Ridiculous amounts of removal, both targeted and mass, so I typically felt somewhat okay running a bit light on that. Also with reds artifact hate and the ability to turn things into artifacts I never really felt disadvantaged.

As I said a few times I am making some changes and I'll be adding things like Firecat Blitz and Tempt with Vengeance to dump a mass amount of creatures in at once for those warstorm/pandemonium effects. I am currently focusing primarily on a new Alesha, Who Smiles at Death deck that you may enjoy, I hope to get it up and made public in the next two or three days. And if you enjoyed this Norin deck for it's low cmc curve you may enjoy the Alesha deck because it's even lower!

Thank you again for taking interest and thanks for the upvote. All of these suggestions are appreciated. :) I hope you have a great weekend.

Profet93 on Life is a Series of Choices Between Bad and Worse

1 week ago

+1 Cool alter

War Room > Castle - While it provides colorless, you take less damage and has a less color intensive activation cost.

Kaervek, the Spiteful - Is he tech against meta token decks or is there another reason I'm not understanding. Also note, Night of Souls' Betrayal can also work depending on your needs. Lastly, while not a serious suggestion, either of the 2 above or Massacure Wurm + Urborg + Kormus Bell = Fun times!

It seems like you need a bit more card draw, I would recommend any of the following.... Read the Bones , Night's Whisper , Sign in Blood , Syphon Mind , and Phyrexian Arena in particular. If you were to add more card draw, even though these are mostly sorcerries, you could help ensure you don't run out of gas. Moreover, it might warrant a Reliquary Tower to go with your Necropotence. Just an idea

Dismember / Defile / Go for the Throat / Hero's Downfall are all good additional kill spells that should definitely be considered.

Jet Medallion - Cost reducer

Profet93 on Norin, Agent of Chaos

1 week ago

FoxandtheVoid

I like your deck and it's avg cmc. How do you deal with the lack of card draw red has? I see you have some wheels, but without a reliable way to tutor for them or draw into them, wouldn't it be best to add more general card draw to help ensure you don't run out of gas. Have you considered the following....

Draw

War Room - Draw

Tome of Legends / Endless Atlas - Draw

Humble Defector - Draw + Politics. I use homeward path in my build for this slight synergy and politics with confusion in the ranks. Not needed but fun. Also noteworthy is homeward path's ability to mess with opposing GY shenanigans should they attempt to reanimate ours/other creatures

Ignite the Future / Light Up the Stage - "Draw" that works well with top. Flashback on ignite has won me 3 games that I can remember, although my avg cmc is slightly higher.

Ramp

Per your description, I think running caged sun and gauntlet of power would be helpful as refilling our hands is only as useful as we can drop stuff down. Again, your cmc is slightly lower so perhaps only gauntlet of power is needed

Curse of Opulence - T1 Norin, T2 Curse. T3 Profit + Politics

Dockside Extortionist - Speaking of treasure, is he not included due to price? I see you have gauntlet of might and mana crypt so I'm unsure if you have budget restrictions

Myriad Landscape - Or is it too slow?

Ruby Medallion - Are you not running this due to it's inability to ramp artifacts? I find it useful nevertheless, especially when trying to dump your hand, I think its potential use outweighs the lack of artifact ramp.

Sword of the Animist - T1 Norin, T2 Sword, T3 Norin grabs the sword, swings at the enemy, runs away back to safety while grabbing a land. I like land ramp due to it being less susceptible to removal and fueling valakut.

Utility + Misc

Chandra, Torch of Defiance - Ramp, removal, draw and wincon all in 1

Dualcaster Mage - Value + combo with heat shimmer or twinflame should you wish to go that route. Each of those cards fuels ETB synergies as well.

Sunbird's Invocation - Expensive to cast but THE VALUE if it sticks. Hit or miss with many players, but has won me too many games to count. Perhaps my meta might be a bit more relaxed than yours though

Blast Zone - See no way for you to interact with enchantments. This might help should you wish. Nice with crucible

Flametongue Kavu - Removes most creatures, although it kills itself if its the only targettable creature on board

Inferno Titan - Burn, baby burn!

Terror of the Peaks - Burn baby burn part 2!

Zealous Conscripts - ETB value + Combo with Kiki-Jiki

A synergy to put in your description is Honor Shaku + Norin + Mind's eye = Draw during each opponent's draw step by tapping norin to fuel honor and honor to fuel mind's eye

Looking forward to your response to each suggestion. +1, nice deck. Would love to know more about your meta as well.

DevoMelvminster on Bounce and Ye Shall Be Healed

2 weeks ago

Hey, thanks for the suggestions. Many of these were in the deck at some point or another. I feel like the vast majority simply didn’t make the cut because they weren’t as efficient mana wise as the alternatives and the extra redundancy wasn’t needed. That, or they were more combat related and I, surprisingly, almost never win via combat. The specific ones that do not fall into those two categories i’ll address below:

Blasting Station - i actually kick around the idea of adding this as another wincon pretty often. If i were to slot another one in, it’d be this, or Altar of Dementia , or maaaaybe Test of Endurance / Felidar Sovereign

Arch of Orazca / Bonders' Enclave - these just ended up being more expensive to use, or less consistent than War Room , keeping in mind that God-Eternal Oketra doesn’t activate enclave and that actually does end up being relevant pretty often. Anyways, with Expedition Map and Weathered Wayfarer , 1 draw land seems to be sufficient as emergency fuel.

Cathars' Crusade - It gets wild in this deck for sure, and when i was leaning less into life gain, and was winning with Altar of Dementia more, it took the place of Angelic Chorus . But nowadays, I just don’t swing that often and i’m not running altar right now so it’s out.

Enduring Renewal - this is an interesting one... I’d honestly have to sit down for a bit and figure out how it interacts with everything to give a good answer here. I’ll look at it more.

Search for Glory - This is a great one. I’d like to run it, but I don’t have many good targets outside of Mangara, the Diplomat and the monuments, which i have a couple tutors for already. The biggest problem, silly as it may sound, is that i’d want to run snow lands, and for thematic purposes i’m running the full art amonkhet plains, so i can’t do that. Solid suggestion though.

Palace Jailer - this ended up getting replaced with Skyclave Apparition for cheaper and more versatile removal. I do miss it sometimes though. I love being the monarch. Which remind me... Throne of the High City could be fun, but my colored lands are already stretched pretty thing for a deck that so desperately needs white mana. Really can’t drop any more.

Love getting suggestions and talking through options for the deck. Thanks again. I really enjoy your decks as well!

CyborgAeon on Yeva Draw-Grow

2 weeks ago

Inkmoth I hear you. But what's the main upside to using mikokoro over War Room ?

Inkmoth on Yeva Draw-Grow

2 weeks ago

CyborgAeon: Heartwood isn't a wincon per se, as it's more of a Stax card that wins us the game if left unchecked.

War Room is often considered, but the density of colorless utility lands is a bit high already, and so far we haven't felt the need to include it just yet, especially in a Hullbreacher meta. The life paying was never a factor for it as we don't care too much about life. Bonder is strictly worse by having a requirement.

CyborgAeon on Yeva Draw-Grow

2 weeks ago

This might just be another niche option, but given you have heartwood storyteller among other win cons, is it not better to use Bonders' Enclave (since yeva is a 4/4) or War Room over Mikokoro, Center of the Sea ?

While war room does cost life - drawing 20-30 cards should give you the cards to setup loops via e-wit & Kogla (or any other mass e-wit line), Nature's Claim and any rock. It might be too risky, but seems more pertinent than letting your opponents draw unless you've certified the win given you've got other very viable win conditions.

Although Mikokoro does let you just draw them out if they use thoracle...