: Add to your mana pool.
, Sacrifice Wasteland: Destroy target nonbasic land.
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|Zendikar Expeditions (EXP)||Mythic Rare|
|Tempest Remastered (TPR)||Rare|
|Promo Set (000)||Uncommon|
|Promo set for Gatherer (PSG)||Uncommon|
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Wasteland occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 2.07%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.05%
1 day ago
I'll cede the Nevermore point to you, the commander does indeed slip through it and yes I also know the card isn't played. The larger overall point though is that at any table you only have control over 100 of the 400 cards that see play and being vulnerable to a single card that shuts down your entire strategy is a liability. Especially when you play paper, people don't have 100% powered lists and often substitute hoser or situational cards. Regardless, the deck is still 100% dependent on the commander sticking on the table, and its practically your only source of card advantage. Any deck that handles the commander easily is going to shit all over your pile of 99. Replace Nevermore with Lignify or Kenrith's Transformation or Darksteel Mutation or Song of the Dryads or Imprisoned in the Moon and you have the exact same problem, your deck is shut off when your commander is handled. Rather than engage the actual logic of what I'm saying, you and your buddies are getting caught up on specific cards instead of overall types of interaction.
This deck crumples if it can't get commander triggers. That is the point I've been making. Stop misconstruing it.
You'll notice how when I talked about alternate costs, I even said you don't cast it for the regular CMC normally. I did say that in some situations, especially in grindier games, you may find yourself in a position where you end up casting the actual CMC of cards like Force of Negation as you don't wish to -1 card advantage your hand and you're packing the mana. Once again, why do you ask me if I'm reading your primer when you aren't reading my replies?
Yeah its neat that misdirection handles spells, I never said it didn't. I said it doesn't handle the 3 most important spells resolving in the format right now. I am well aware how it interacts with uncounterable cards. Once again, are you reading what I'm writing? Losing a permanent to Abrupt Decay sucks but losing the game to Tainted Pact is 100% worse. This is extremely easy comparative logic for anyone who is trying to win games.
I never spoke badly about Dark Ritual except to note its a consumable piece of mana, and doesn't help you in creating turn loops. I have no problem with its inclusion.
You must be seriously new if you don't understand that when I say Pyroclasm and variants, I'm talking about cards besides simply Pyroclasm. Every time I've mentioned it I've talked about pyroclasm effects, I'm talking about Anger of the Gods Earthquake Toxic Deluge Rolling Earthquake Fiery Confluence Sweltering Suns Fire Covenant Sudden Demise and Subterranean Tremors. There are also all kinds of "Destroy all creatures" effects that I didn't list. Yes, I am highly aware that 2 damage from pyroclasm doesn't kill Yuriko, but it sets back your board state, and all the other pyroclasm VARIANTS do kill Yuriko. This strategy is also seen in decks like Ruric Thar or Keranos. Its more usually seen in tier 2 decks that are able to engage the meta due to how creature heavy the current meta is. Being proud for playing cedh but only playing against 6 different decks doesn't really give you a huge representation of the viable decks in the format. It means you're still new. Yes its good to be aware of the tier 1 decks and the commonly played decks, but if you're running into more fringe decks that are able to leverage these kinds of cards against you, your deck is going to lose in more places than it should. Especially since many tier 1 partner decks are able to utilize these creature blow out cards with things specifically like Sudden Demise.
This leads into Xantcha being a competitive deck. It is 100% a competitive deck, there are decks besides Flash Hulk you need to be aware of. Especially in the current creature heavy meta, continuously blowing out the board turns your Pyroclasm effects into 3-for-1 or 4-for-1 trades to keep ahead of Blue and Green decks. It isn't a tier 1 deck, but if you play cedh you'll run into this deck or another deck that trades specifically on big creature hate. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/xantcha-combo-control/
Similarly, you'll run into a planeswalker commander like Animatou that is able to run big creature hate effects like Humility that once again, completely blow this deck apart.
I am not friends with SolelySelesnya and I don't know him personally or online. I just find these lists haven't explored new territory with Yuriko.
You guys can spend all day saying I'm rude until you're blue in the face, but I made a simple comment on both lists asking why they didn't run a specific card. Rather than respond, or tag me, or answer me, they deleted the comment and wrote a note about it that I received no notification for, and had to dig to find. Me posting on their lists is not passive aggressive, not being able to even respond to a comment and deleting it is passive aggressive. Also why complain about my tone when you use the same post to engage in the exact behavior you're so mad about? If you had just taken 3 minutes to respond giving your very basic reasoning for card justification instead of deleting comments, we could have had this conversation without you getting upset.
Now to respond to Rad Dummy specifically
If you don't think pyroclasm is cedh playable you need to reevaluate. Look at the proliferation of green due to the 7 mana different turn 1 mana dorks available to the color. Players keep 2 land hands because it includes a Llanowar Elves. Look at the amount of hatebear strategies that are significantly chipped away at from Pyroclasm and variants. Look at value enablers like Edric, Spymaster of Trest or even just Dark Confidant that are blown out by Pyroclasm. For real, the card definitely sees play. Board wipes ARE relevant for Yuriko because without a creature on the board you must cast then pass, not getting the immediate card advantage trigger. You also lose further card advantage from not being able to land other ninjas on players too for additional triggers. Your inability to see this makes me think little of your critical faculties.
Diving Top is indeed a grindier card, but you're missing the point I've been making the entire time. Your ONLY pile cracker outside of your commander is Brainstorm or Thought Scour. When your commander isn't available, your DD is a dead card in hand. Rather than respond to this point, you keep sidetracking about how its too much mana investment or only good for grindier games. Not every game is going to curve perfectly into a turn 4 or 5 win. Running DD and only running a pilecracker via your commander is short sighted. Rather than respond to that point, you keep sidetracking. Have you considered that maybe Doomsday isn't the exact same strategy as the rest of the Yuriko deck? Maybe by choosing to slot DD, you have to include build around cards to help find it and resolve it smoothly?
Its neat that you're getting real upset and want to patronize me about math. I only talked explicitly about mana costs, and didn't misspeak. The ability to start the time warp with 5 mana and take the extra turn into the land drop for the 6 mana for the loop is neat and should be included in the primer for the combo, but the combo has far bigger problems. You also never responded to my point about assuredly getting to 6 mana reliably with 29 lands and 4 pieces of ramp, only 3 of which can execute the loop. You're assuming a lot of Yuriko triggers that are not guaranteed. Once again, the back up combo still relies heavily on getting Yuriko triggers. It isn't helping you in match ups where Yuriko struggles.
- Breezecaller is a creature and can be removed by LITERALLY any color at any point to disrupt the combo
- Mystic requires 3 other islands in play, meaning you absolutely 100% cannot start the combo before turn 4 at the earliest
- Mystic requiring 3 other islands means you are vulnerable to Strip Mine or Wasteland or MLD while setting up
- Mystic returning from GY means literally any piece of targeted grave hate stops this combo. Any deck can run Tormod's Crypt, while many opt for more efficient pieces of GY removal or GY hate
- Time Warp requires a cast every time and can be disrupted. It can also be Misdirection'd lol
- Extra turn hate is present in some decks especially in the form of Stranglehold.
The combo is basically hoping everyone is tapped out or has 0 instants in their hands. While it may be slot efficient with other things that you wish to run, it is by no means efficient or fast overall.
I know you're trying to carve out a name for yourself, but you are clearly inexperienced. Playing against 6 decks that are copies of Shaper lists doesn't encompass the entirety of the competitive scene. Both this deck and your own list are extremely vulnerable to a handful of cards and a couple overarching strategies. Rather than engage critically and employ your big boy thinking pants, you would rather split hairs over "Xantcha could NEVER be competitive viable" or "Go watch casual YT video". My point stands. Rather than engage with honest critique, your ego is much too fragile to imagine that maybe the list you made has problems and isn't perfect. @ me if you wish to continue further discussing these points, otherwise lets save both of us any future headaches and leave this be.
2 days ago
The real problem I have with it is I don't have a real finisher for it. I can go until I get my Reliquary Tower, but again I don't have cards that would help finish the game. And my land can easily get removed by Wasteland or Strip Mine, causing me to go back down to 7 anyways. I would probably be better off with Necropotence (which I have been considering adding, probably in place of Phyrexian Arena). My prior testing is why I'm leaning that way as it usually resulted in lots of cards in hand and not a lot to play. I do agree with the Sovereign being bad, which is why I have been thinking of removing it or adding in Flash. I will be testing that idea when I can. If you have a finisher idea to replace it, please let me know. Lastly, I agree with your assessment of the deck being held back a little bit. I am leaning towards just removing my infinite combo restrictions and going all in on cEDH. But I don't believe the deck will change to much. Thanks for the critique, it's greatly appreciated!
1 month ago
1 month ago
You are welcome. I normally get more lukewarm responses from my in-depth analysis, so its refreshing to receive praise. I've taken another look at this bad boy, and here are the specific changes I would make, with a decent budget in mind (ofc Imperial Seal would be a great include but there are cheaper avenues to explore first).
I would advise thinking about the chromatic pieces another way. Its color fixing AND a draw AND metalcraft for , and you get repeat value from Glissa if there is nothing better to grab immediately (if there's a boardwipe, or you aren't getting pieces blown off the board, or you are able to continually snipe dorks/bears/commanders with Ulvenwald + Glissa). Even without Glissa, you've basically made yourself into a 97 card deck. With Glissa, you have a cheap ": draw a card" engine. It turns all your kill spells into cantrips, letting you dig faster to the combo, and grind out games that go longer. It also plays EXTREMELY well with any topdeck tutors, like Vampiric Tutor. I think there's a strong case for inclusion, but I can also see this list is chock-o-block full.
As far as the Sword. Its a nice card, but its mostly only helping you when you're already ahead. If you can't get an attacker to hit a player, you're not getting anything for paying mana to cast + equip. It also requires that you have a creature on board to get the uses out of it, which means you're slowed by casting + summoning sickness if someone else board wipes. Its a delayed slow reusable card, and its a reusable dork killer, both are unreliable for getting the triggers. Compare this to Jitte. Jitte gets triggers off ANY combat damage, and you get far more out of the triggers from Jitte. The -1/-1 until EOT is much better removal, and if something has bigger than 2 toughness you can always hold the counters. The 2 life refuels you when Confidant and other draw effects slurp you into danger range. The card draw is VERY nice, but being unreliable really makes me favor Jitte here. Of course I think the best choice would be Sword of Feast and Famine.
Grim Monolith is going to be outperformed by an elf here. Consider if either is in your opening hand. With an elf, you spend 1 mana on turn 1 to have 3 colored mana on turn 2. With Monolith, you spend 2 mana on turn 2 to have 3 colorless mana on turn 2. Monolith is expensive to untap, and you run no ways to artifically sacrifice Monolith to recur it untapped, or to untap it. You aren't running Monolith for an infinite combo either, which is another reason it is usually slotted.
I really think Exploration Burgeoning Azusa, Lost but Seeking Ramunap Excavator Wasteland and Ghost Quarter are a very powerful choice for stax. It means you will have to drop slots elsewhere though, which might require some more rethinking or reassembling of the deck. This also opens further lines and slots, such as Crop Rotation into Inventors' Fair to get Crucible of Worlds to replay Inventors' Fair to continue digging up pieces.
I also really think the chromatic + baubles have value here. Turns removal into cantrips, lets you play the longer value game.
I would advise you to investigate artifact based combos. You have artifact recursion in the command zone. If a piece gets blown out, you still have it in reach throughout the whole game until it is exiled. Currently, your combos are enchantment + enchantment and enchantment + artifact. Your combos also suffer from either requiring an untap stap (to get rid of summoning sickness), or causing each opponent to take 1 damage. Simply put, they are not instant wins. You're giving other opponents the ability to draw/play answers to the board and disassemble your win.
1 month ago
Thanks a lot for taking the time to comment on my deck with so many good suggestions. Wasteland is def a card that I plan on adding eventually I just haven't gotten around to it. Smallpox and Innocent Blood have been really good in this deck as both early game dork killers or late game recursion spells. The elf package is interesting thought, but I dont know how well it would fit in this deck but I might add a few at a time and see how it goes. First off I will most likely replace Scrap Trawler with Priest of Titania because I agree Scrap Trawler hasn't been pulling its weight.
The "egg" cards you mentioned were in the deck when I first created it but I eventually removed them for more control pieces. I was thinking of adding one, but I dont think just one would do enough to warrant a spot. If I were to add eggs I would like to add at least three for me to notice their presence. I might try one out in place of Sword of Fire and Ice but I will admit, I love that card even though it might not be that good. Its removal for lower P/T creatures and draws me a card. Thinking about it, I might toss in a Mishra's Bauble or Chromatic Sphere instead of it as a test but well see. Sword of Feast and Famine was actually a card I recently removed because when I was able to untap my lands with it I was never able to capitalize on it. If I do decide to drop Fire and Ice I might add an egg and see how that goes.
Once again, thanks for taking the time to comment on my deck.
1 month ago
Very nice deck. I have a paper Alesha, Who Smiles at Death list, so I can appreciate another paper non-blue stax deck.
Things I enjoy
Hope of Ghirapur is a very saucy include and is a strong Glissa recursion target
Tainted Wood and the other tainted lands are EXTREMELY under rated
Ulvenwald Tracker has some crazy strong synergy with Glissa (first strike and deathtouch)
Areas I can see improvement
First, Tree of Tales and Vault of Whispers raise risk while providing extremely marginal benefit (Mox Opal metalcraft). While it is recurrable with Glissa, you risk the chance of things like ETB tapped, get sniped on a land drop on turn 1 or 2, having it turned into a Mountain, or just having it not untap. Having 2 more basics will allow your Crucible of Worlds to be a BEAST with fetchlands and makes games against other stax decks easier. Similarly, you can ease off a touch with the non-standard dual color producers, because its only a two color deck. While these cards are certainly nice, cutting another 2-4 for various utility lands I bet you won't notice a drop in color consistency because of the high fetch density. I would also consider Wasteland and Ghost Quarter, which conveniently work extremely well with Crucible of Worlds in a stax deck. Green also has access to Ramunap Excavator, as well as the highly cancerous Exploration and Burgeoning and Azusa, Lost but Seeking. Blowing up a couple lands a turn makes players scoop pretty fast.
I think you should run the elf squad. Turn 1 elves make mana faster which helps A LOT. Stax decks needs to have strong starts, to get ahead of players so you can bury them with symmetrical and asymmetrical effects. Llanowar Elves Fyndhorn Elves Elvish Mystic Elves of Deep Shadow. I think these will help your consistency and speed. Also consider Priest of Titania. These are also great mid and late game targets for Skullclamp.
Artifact based draw that graveyards itself provides huge incidental value with Glissa. Specifically, Chromatic Star and Chromatic Sphere are worthy of includes. You could even grab Barbed Sextant if you strongly liked the chromatic effects.
Mana Web is a great effect when it goes, but I have personally found this card to be lackluster in color identities that lack White or Blue. It needs supporting cards to make it go, like Winter Orb and Static Orb. Blue and white get the benefit of having further extensions with Hokori, Dust Drinker and Stasis, and I really believe this card belongs mostly in decks.
Smallpox and Innocent Blood are synergy inclusions, but they are rather marginal if drawn later in the game. You could consider swapping one of them into Damnation. I don't think Sickening Dreams is worthwhile if you aren't running a combo to draw 50 cards and kill the table with it.
Tormod's Crypt could be worth running. Ezpz recursion target that you can always pop for value if someone has a creature about to die on the stack. Helps against fish hulk which you think is a bad match up. Also every deck has some way to gas from the GY.
You run some creatures that seem value oriented, but I think should be replaced. Wurmcoil Engine Ravenous Slime Scrap Trawler. I don't think you're getting enough meaningful action on combat for wurmcoil, I think ravenous is pretty marginal at beats as well as GY patrol, and scrap trawler is redundant with your commander and doesn't really advance your game plan.
1 month ago
First post best post. Which one is better is meta dependent, due to the nature of how they are built
- Najeela does worse against decks with combat stoppers, TnT does worse against decks with draw stoppers.
- TnT is a 4 color mana base, Najeela is 5. Even with the additional mana fixing Najeela runs, your mana base is going to be more vulnerable to getting sniped by Wasteland and Strip Mine. Both are roughed up pretty bad by Moon effects and Back to Basics.
- TnT is grindier, Najeela has ability to threaten wins off of just commander.
Either way you're playing fish hulk, so life isn't going to be very hard for you in general. Both are great options for being the commander. Just be aware you'll have a massive target on your back with either commander, even at competitive tables, for playing the tier 0 builds.