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2 weeks ago
Thanks the the comment Gashillus! I’m glad my list had been helpful! And congrats on the win streak!
I double checked mtgcommander.net where the official banlist is, and sadly Primeval Titan is still banned. My group allows it, and tbh most of the random pods I play in shops have allowed it, even though I offer to remove it. Granted, they are casual high power, so there’s definitely more of an “anything goes” vibe.
If you’re cutting the pricier stuff, I’d recommend Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx over Gaea's Cradle. I know Nykthos is still around $30, but it’s cheaper than Cradle… And if you are playing Nykthos or other good utility lands, give Ulvenwald Hydra a try. It does a good Primeval impression in a blink deck.
3 weeks ago
My advice is to run all the fetches since you have most of the original duels. Other than that all of the lands that produce any color mana is the way to go (ie. City of Brass, Forbidden Orchard, Mana Confluence, Command Tower, Gemstone Caverns). I'd avoid anything that enters tapped but that is just my opinion. With the fetches duels and gold lands that's 25 lands leaving room for utility lands or lands that tap for multiple mana like Gaea's Cradle, Ancient Tomb and City of Traitors.
3 weeks ago
So I think for the most part people agree that EDH decks need mana ramp, card draw, removal, and a path to victory. At least in basic terms most successful decks will have all of those. I'm curious though in more specifics are there things you think you should always include?
I don't do this myself, though I know I need to, but including land destruction in every deck feels pretty much needed. Not really mass land destruction or just land destruction for the sake of land destruction but something to get rid of those Reliquary Towers, Rogue's Passages, or Maze's Ends. Those being just at the casual end of things. There are others at the more expensive and even competitive end of things like Gaea's Cradle.
All that to say I think the vast majority of players would benefit from running Ghost Quarter and maybe 1 or 2 of his friends in almost every deck.
1 month ago
I do have this deck in paper and it over performs most games to be honest. It’s not cEDH buts it can play very close to it with the right hand.
Tamiyo's Safekeeping has a ton of potential replacements buts it’s super cheap and a common from the most recent set and I think it’s worth picking up
As for Gaea's Cradle the deck runs fine without it. I just added it in about a two weeks ago. It’s not necessary I just wanted to get one
Mana Crypt can be replaced with Ancient Tomb maybe? But there really isn’t a replacement same goes for Jeweled Lotus I would recommend just adding more ramp or lands to balance out the mana count in the deck if you had to go without them.
1 month ago
Ancient Tomb Cackling Counterpart Finale of Devastation Flooded Strand Force of Vigor Force of Will Gaea's Cradle Jeweled Lotus Mystical Tutor Polluted Delta Scalding Tarn The Great Henge Windfall Windswept Heath Wooded Foothills
2 months ago
chigorin Really appreciate the feedback and interest! It would be my pleasure to answer your questions.
First, regarding the card Grand Crescendo, it has definitely caught my eye. For now I am still testing the most recent build of the deck to see if I feel the need for more board-wipe protection. I will say that as a general rule, for this deck I like creatures such as Dauntless Escort and Selfless Spirit more than sorceries/instants because they combo with Earthcraft type effects and Gaea's Cradle + Itlimoc, Cradle of the Sun. They can also be recycled with Sun Titan in a really powerful loop, and they can be searched with tutors. It is true that Grand Crescendo offers unprecedented flexibility in that you can use it as protection or as a token maker or both. I would still say that it is inferior to Heroic Intervention and to Teferi's Protection. Making more tokens in Emmara can really quickly feel "win more" because Emmara is such a reliable token maker. As soon as I test stuff out and make a decision I will write an update specifically for New Capenna stuff, so keep an eye out for that!
The deck is actually optimized for a 4-player game. It is true that Esper Sentinel and Smothering Tithe offer draw and mana, respectively, and at various points I did include them. However, they give you those things...and nothing else. They have almost no real synergy with your gameplan. Additionally, they are both occupying extremely busy mana slots. Turn 1 should always ideally be any of the "Turn One Tappers" and the 4 mana slot is almost always ideally taken by a token doubler or to continue setting up your combo. Mana/ramp is also the one thing that I do not feel the deck needs more of at all.
As for board wipes in general, my experience has been this: if no one plays a board wipe, I win 100% of the time unless I had an absolutely terrible hand/draws. You are the go wide deck. Either someone blows up the board or you win. So, focus on running protection and let others worry about board wipes.
Throne of the God-Pharaoh draws attention to you in a bad way. You don't want to give opponent's a reason to blow you up early. Emmara is a slow, steady token deck. You are always growing turn after turn. Your goal is to reach that critical point where you can 1-KO everyone before they realize you are a threat.
Glare of Subdual is a trap. It discourages you from tapping your creatures during your turn, and in this deck, if you are doing the things that will make you win, you are normally ending your turn with a tapped out board. Knight-Captain of Eos is your best defense against attacks, and it is always better to remove artifacts rather than just tap them.
Finally, Sylvan Library has the unfortunate trait of costing 2 mana. You ALWAYS cast Emmara turn 2. And because Sylvan Library is best played as early as possible, and from turn 3 forwards, it really doesn't feel like there is ever a good time to play it. I decided to cut it because now we have access to more cards with draw like Welcoming Vampire and the absolute perfection that is Bennie Bracks, Zoologist.
Please feel free to ask as many other questions as you want, or let me know if you would like more detail regarding any of my explanations! I love this deck, and for some weird reason I am just obsessed with making it perfect hahaha, so I will definitely be maintaining it for years to come!
2 months ago
I can't speak to the competitive side of things as I am far from a competitive player. I do see your package has a lot going for it but in the cards you've presented I just don't think they would ban any of them. Even if they do ban one it seems like most are easily replaced. So the ban has to fall on one of the linchpin cards, obviously I suppose lol.
The package as presented Bala Ged Recovery Flip, Life from the Loam, Summer Bloom, Azusa, Lost but Seeking, Dryad of the Ilysian Grove, Lotus Cobra, Tireless Provisioner, Gaea's Cradle, Boseiju, Who Endures, Strip Mine, Cloudstone Curio, Crucible of Worlds. Suggested additions to it Green Sun's Zenith, Dryad Arbor, at least 5 mana dorks, Utopia Sprawl, and Wild Growth.
Of these Strip Mine, Crucible of Worlds, Azusa Lost but Seeking, and Gaea's Cradle stand out to my casual eye but consider the committee has said they don't want to ban things for cEDH in the past. Since the formation of their advisory group they've relented a little on their stance on cEDH but still... I wouldn't really expect them to ban any of this. Their usual reasoning boils down to "unfun" to play against or absurd value from a single card. The most absurd card here, again to my casual eyes, is Cradle. Which has always been an absurd card and the only card which has a similar example already on the ban list.
Not going to say it is impossible for something here to get axed though or that, if the package is as effective as proposed, something doesn't need to be axed. It'd just likely have to directly impact a large number of casual players too.
2 months ago
At least, that is what some of my preliminary data is suggesting. There is a particular 15ish card package that fits into any deck with green that covers a deck's ramp needs, control needs, and combo win needs while also having synergy with each of the independent components leading to some unbelievably robust and powerful play patterns. Right now, in a limited sample size mind you, this package is winning better than 40% of it's games.
There aren't many instances of this occurring in our group's data set. In fact, there are 3.
Paradox Engine. Before this card got banned we were seeing a vacuum win rate potential for this card of 40%+, which was absurd. We assumed it would get banned, about 6 months later, it was.
Hullbreacher and Opposition Agent. When these cards were spoiled our group knew immediately they would eventually be banned, they are that fundamentally broken in cEDH settings. Sure enough, this 2 card package instantly began posting vacuum win rate potentials of 40%+ (over 50%+ before we learned play patterns to cope with how abusive the play pattern of this package was). Hullbreacher got banned, Oppo Agent is awaiting it's inevitable ban hammer.
The Inception Package. This was a concept focused around using Extract and targeted discard to neuter fast glass cannon combo archetypes back in the hey day of the Flash Hulk meta. The concept dominated the meta completely and utterly 4 and 5 years ago and posted vacuum win rate potentials of 40%+ because the cEDH community had yet to realize that running 10+ critical cards devoted to a single combo line of play was very ineffective in the face of any exile effects hitting those critical combo pieces and turning the remaining 9+ cards into dead card slots for the remainder of the game. Over time, as more new cards were printed, the resilience of the metascape improved and the printing of Veil of Summer largely brought the Inception package back to parity within the metascape. Post Flash banning the concept became a less enticing option. Lucky break, no bans needed.
Which brings us to the current issue. The Summer Bloom package that has been powered up as of late with new card printings. It's too soon to tell if this package is problematic enough to require a ban, but it's possible that Summer Bloom should simply get the axe at some point, it is a degenerate combo card after all. The crux of the issue is that the play pattern enabled by this package covers every requirement of a competitive deck within these 15ish cards. Accelerated board development, covered. Combo win line, covered. Card advantage, covered. Consistent deployment of primary game plans by turn 3, covered. Ability to interact with and control opposing board states, covered. Now, it's not too much to ask for all these things from a set of 15 cards in competitive settings, but usually these 15 cards won't all work together to enhance each other's effectiveness and make those 15 cards feel more like 30 cards worth of value in game. This could be a real problem in due time, particularly since the package can be used in any deck with green as a color at the moment, which means the package can be ported into a wide variety of shells.
The package in question: Bala Ged Recovery Flip, Life from the Loam, Summer Bloom, Azusa, Lost but Seeking, Dryad of the Ilysian Grove, Lotus Cobra, Tireless Provisioner, Gaea's Cradle, Boseiju, Who Endures, Strip Mine, Cloudstone Curio, Crucible of Worlds. Personally, I recommend a supplement to the package of Green Sun's Zenith, Dryad Arbor, and at least 5 mana dorks. Utopia Sprawl and Wild Growth can also be used to supplement the ramp efforts, but aren't critical to the concept and are, in fact, vulnerable to opponents who employ the concept themselves.
Why is this package a potential problem and why is it posting win rates over 40% at the moment in testing? Well, it largely boils down to some fundamental principles of cEDH. Those principles? Playing more cards than opponents is good and improves the odds of winning, seeing more cards from your deck than opponents is good an improves the odds of winning, and using fewer cards than opponents to achieve a desired result is good and improves the odds of winning. Conversely, opponents that see fewer cards, play fewer cards, and who use more cards to achieve desired goals also improve your odds of beating those opponents. This particular package hits along each of these axes, it plays a lot more cards because it keeps reusing the same cards over and over again, it sees a lot more cards because it's constantly thinning it's deck as part of this play pattern reusing lands in particular, and it gets to save space because the core components every competitive deck needs are included already in just these 15ish cards meaning it needs to use less card slots to achieve more things, and the gameplans are consistently able to be deployed and put into place in the early turns of a game. Simultaneously the play patterns of this package are an extreme hinderance to opponents because their board states have a very tough time developing into useful configurations when their lands, artifacts, and enchantments keep getting wiped every turn cycle.
Again, it's very early in this, and I would hesitate to say it's Boseiju that's putting this package over the top right now, but something about this set up is very clearly problematic for the health of the format. I'd abuse this set up while you have a chance, the cEDH community is incredibly slow to adapt to new trends so there's a good chance this package will be abusable for a couple extra free wins per 100 games played for about a year or so. At some point I kind of expect some portion of this package to get the ban hammer, but I don't expect it soon. It took them almost a year for Hullbreacher and Golos after all, and I thought those were cards that ought to be preemptively banned from the format the day they each got spoiled.