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Gaea's Cradle Discussion
1 day ago
Listing your budget range would help me make more precise recommendations, but I like going on tangents sometimes so i'll give some suggestions and thoughts on some cards.
Mox Diamond is a pretty tough card to replace, but if I had to do it on a budget I would consider one of the Talismans from Mirrodin/Modern Horizons. I know, this is a pretty tough sell but it's the best I can come up with. The color pairing i'd likely lean toward is Talisman of Curiosity or Talisman of Creativity .
Wheel of Fortune is much easier to replace. Obviously we could go with Windfall which is very wallet friendly - but is a color shift to blue. If you want to stay within red, then Winds of Change would be my go to.
Gaea's Cradle is a difficult card to replace, but thanks to the plane of Ixilan we have Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip/ Itlimoc, Cradle of the Sun . It's essentially the same thing, you just need to jump through a hoop or two before you get your obscenely powerful land.
The ABUR Dual Lands are tough to replace. Honestly, i'm considering multiple options because none are really perfect. Though if I had to choose one, i'd likely toss back in the Shadowmoor/Eventide Filterlands. Here are my runners up:
- Bond Lands. They aren't typed, but they don't come into play tapped if you are playing in a group. Best of all, this cycle has been long complete and has been recently reprinted, so the costs are nice and cheap.
- Battle Lands from Zendikar are always going to come into play tapped due to this deck not using basics. But at least the lands are typed. Unfortunately, this cycle only has Allied colors.
- Bicycle Lands from Amokhet are always going to ETB tapped - but you have the added functionality of cycling. So...yay?
- Tricycle Lands from Ikoria. These are basically the better Bicycle lands lol. They do everything the bicycles do, but better. But alas, this cycle is not complete - and only has Wedge color combinations.
That's it for my suggestions, what do you think? Do you plan on constructing your own Sliver deck using my suggestions?
1 week ago
Whenever you exile a creature, it's controller draws a card and you gain 1 life.
I'm not entirely certain, but Livio seems to want to be built around ETB effects. Exile your own creatures, then bring them back into one massive drop; For example, Luminate Primordial would be an incredibly strong blink creature. Sure your opponents gain a ton of life, but you remove their biggest threats permanently. Additionally, as he has Partner, you can add in for something such as Woodfall Primus or Terastodon . You could even use use Meteor Golem . If you run Selesnya, you're already in extremely strong ramp territory as green loves to ramp with creatures and white loves to make creatures. Suddenly your Itlimoc, Cradle of the Sun , Gaea's Cradle and Cryptolith Rite look astounding. Not to mention Circle of Dreams Druid and, if you use enchantments to protect yourself such as a Prison / Stax deck, Serra's Sanctum . There's also Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx , Nyxbloom Ancient and Mana Reflection .
Hone in the strategy with Trostani, Selesnya's Voice and similar life-gaining creatures such as Suture Priest , Soul Warden , Soul's Attendant , Angelic Chorus and Essence Warden for a massive gap between you and your opponents.
Anyway, there ya go. A skeleton for a down and dirty Selesnya deck. Go have some fun with it.
Since you are going for extreme ramp and board presence, I'd recommend Partnering with Halana, Kessig Ranger so that when they enter you can pay and have removal-on-a-stick, too.
Kodama of the East Tree would be nice but that's a trap. You'll be outed as the archenemy at the table on Turn 0. Sure you get to cheat a bunch of things into play, but that doesn't help advance your wincon. I'd rather see Halana in the Command Zone for that removal option, so that the creatures we are playing around with can get through and finish the game off quickly. You're going creature-heavy, so use them.
1 week ago
Samothrace Thank you, friend! I run proxies for the super expensive stuff like Gaea's Cradle and what not. I’ve seen Heartwood Storyteller on some lists, but never in actual play. I’ll have to check it out for sure! Thanks for kind words :)
2 weeks ago
MLS91, I think Storm Cauldron is a fun card to build around. It’s great for hitting those landfall triggers and bouncing lands like Gaea's Cradle . With that said, it’s important that you have quite a bit of pieces that allow you to put additional lands into play, so you’re not setting yourself back with it. I’m considering on adding Confounding Conundrum to pair with it to really set opponents back.
2 weeks ago
Kazuhahaha none taken, but please be reminded that my answers should be placed into the context of the whole topic, not just the previous post. OP's original suggestion was about if WotC will ever print an artifact that relates to Tolarian Academy the way the new Circle of Dreams Druid relates to Gaea's Cradle . You're not going to convince me that the druid actually does a better job cradling than the cradle, only because it's a creature itself. In that light, responding to Grubbernaut asking why they would ever print a card similar enough to Tolarian Academy to draw the comparison, my answer was: they'll print a worse version that obviously nostalgically reminds of Tolarian Academy that won't break any format due to some costs or restrictions. You know, the way The Biblioplex is not quite Library of Alexandria .
3 weeks ago
Grubbernaut "A better question is: with artifacts already so incredibly strong, why would they ever consider offering them something that does the thing they already do best (fast mana) even better? What does the game stand to gain?"
Well that's easy to answer, lots of cards are printed whose only function is: "hey, remember this broken old card that was really good in other formats in the past? Wanna play with it again?" Like Prime Speaker Vannifar is referring to Birthing Pod , Gilded Goose being a warped Birds of Paradise , Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip as Gaea's Cradle , every Magus of the XXX ever, etc.
Nostalgia sells packs.
3 weeks ago
Xenagos, the Reveler already was a Gaea's Cradle on a stick, and nobody ever got excited over that. Circle of Dreams Druid 's biggest hype is being an Elf, for untap shenanigans with Wirewood Symbiote and the like.
I guess a Tolarian Academy -artifact would probably look a lot like Nyx Lotus , counting artifacts instead of devotion. Even then, I don't expect one in a Standard set the upcoming year, they've printed way too much Treasure Token generation recently to risk even a watered down version.
3 weeks ago
WotC finally printed a creature version of Gaea's Cradle in the form of Circle of Dreams Druid , which, despite requiring a payment of mana to be used, is likely to be much more versatile than the cradle, due to counting itself for its mana production.
Therefore, I am wondering if WotC shall eventually print an artifact version of Tolarian Academy , since such a card would also have a benefit over its land counterpart due to counting itself for its mana production.
What does everyone else say about this? Will WotC eventually print an artifact version of Tolarian Academy ?