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Sigil of the Empty Throne
Whenever you cast an enchantment spell, create a 4/4 white Angel creature token with flying.
Sigil of the Empty Throne Discussion
3 weeks ago
jconeil1988 Thank you for the feedback! As for your creature base suggestion, I think you're totally right, if I were going the route of a bogles deck I would certainly want 2x Slippery Bogle , 4x Gladecover Scout , and 4x Kor Spiritdancer . However, my idea with this deck was to make a deck inspired by bogles, but also keep the -1 colorless mana for enchantment spells synergy given by Danitha Capashen, Paragon and Herald of the Pantheon and possibly x1 to x2 Satyr Enchanter . I know bogles is far more competitively effective and certainly far more streamlined, but I felt the -1 colorless mana would be fun and allow me to play higher cost enchantments.
But I also feel like this initial version of my deck doesn't capitalize on that -1 colorless mana synergy enough to make it an effective part of the deck. I was certainly thinking about taking out all the creatures except possibly x4 Slippery Bogle , 4x Gladecover Scout , and 2x Kor Spiritdancer x1 Danitha Capashen, Paragon and x4 Herald of the Pantheon . This would leave a little bit of room to add x1 or x2 Shalai, Voice of Plenty ! I have to say that is a great recommendation!
I don't think my deck is quite the right place for a Dryad Arbor, though. From my understanding that creature land is played in bogles 1. because bogles runs fetch lands, and 2. because bogles suffers from taget player sacrifices a creature effects. My deck doesn't run any fetch lands, nor does it suffer anywhere near as bad from sacrifice effects, especially if I can get Sigil of the Empty Throne into play. That's also why I have a second Sigil of the Empty Throne in the sideboard, to switch out for Sphere of Safety if im having to sacrifice too often.
I also forgot to put the one Path to Exile in my aquireboard. Its the only card in the decklist I do not yet own. However, I actually really love my Seal Away for what its worth. It's perfect for the -1 colorless mana synergy, sometimes costing the same as Path but is instant speed with only the drawback of being applicable to tapped creatures, which isn't very concerning in my opinion.
As for the land, I was thinking about running 23, but I think that might be the lowest I'd go without significantly upgrading my mana base, especially since I want to upgrade this deck to better synergize with the -1 colorless mana abilities by adding more high-cost enchantments.
Some possibilities I've been thinking about were x1 Snake Umbra instead of, or perhaps in addition to x1 Keen Sense especially if I'm going to be taking out the draw from Satyr Enchanter , or also Bear Umbra although it is a bit pricy, so I would likely only consider getting one. Whatever the case, I certainly appreciate your feedback! Thank you!
1 month ago
Ok I'm gonna start with recommended cuts to look at and then we'll move on to what possible additions could be looked at, and why.
Angel of Jubilation - This is a maybe cut. Its a good anthem effect and its anti-sac effect can be very useful. However due to being a token deck, we might want to be sacrificing our tokens to do things. So we'll evavluate this again later.
Ant Queen - Another maybe cut. Its a fine token creator, we might just be able to find something thats more efficient. But with some of the other things we'll be doing this might be worth keeping.
Geist-Honored Monk - The one off effect of creating 2 spirits probably isn't worth the slot here. We can find cheaper creatures that have the power and toughness equal to the number of creatures you control if we like that bit.
Jade Mage - Same argument as the Ant Queen really. Though this one doesn't even have a good body to back it up and three mana to make a 1/1 might not be good enough.
Kazandu Tuskcaller - It takes 6 mana to get this guy to the point where he makes 1 3/3 every turn. I think we can do a lot better than this. Its just soooo slow.
Selesnya Guildmage - This one is another maybe. The 4 mana for a 1/1 is rather underwhelming. But the anthem effect is ok.
Thelonite Hermit - Its a lot of mana to get anything out of this guy. It will cost you 8 to get the tokens which seems like a lot even if it is split over multiple turns.
Tukatongue Thallid - As much as we love this guy, the one off effect probably isn't worth his slot. We could do with a couple of other things at 1 mana.
Worldspine Wurm - I love this guy too, but its a lot of mana and he only makes the tokens on death. Seen as we want the tokens sooner rather than later so we can duplicate them with Rhys etc, we might want something that makes the 5/5s quicker. But we could keep this guy for the big guy turn sideways plan.
Cathars' Crusade - I despise keeping track of the board state that this thing creates. Though the effect is actually really powerful and should be in. I put it in the same boat as Coat of Arms. The "Oh Good God, you're on your own just tell me how much your attacking for" boat.
Growing Ranks - I'm never exactly a fan of cards which only trigger in your upkeep like this as they can feel so slow when you play them on your turn, then 3 other peoples turns go by, then you get your first activation. Especially when it only copies one guy.
Leyline of Vitality - While all the effects on this card are fine. I think we could just do better than this. The toughness buff is unlikely to save our creatures from a wrath effect, and the life effect we can find for cheaper. The chance of triggering the Leyline start in play is so low in EDH its probably worth discounting.
Sigil of the Empty Throne - We'll keep an eye on this one. Good card if we have enough Enchantments to reliably trigger it. But bad if we don't. So we'll check out count afterwards.
Verdant Embrace - I think this is expensive, but the effect could be great to stick on something and let it go. This one is more of a maybe.
Devout Invocation - I've always wanted to love this card. But if you have enough creatures to make this a viable card, then you should have enough creatures to be winning anyway without spending 7 mana and a card to make your board into overkill.
Storm Herd - Very expensive card. In fact is the 2nd most expensive card in the deck behind Worldspine Wurm. The effect is cool, but we need to see if its worth the mana.
Moonsilver Spear - another card I've always wanted to like, but rather slow. If it put the Angel into play attacking then It would be a different story, but it doesn't. This one might be ok to keep, but i'd put it on the short list of things to cut.
Sarpadian Empires, Vol. VII - Erm, i don't think i need to explain really why 6 mana for a 1/1 and a further 3 for another 1/1 each turn is bad.
General Ideas For Improvement
First thing i can say on this one is that the deck has no ways really of stopping your opponent from doing anything they want to you while you are trying to execute your game plan. Something that is going to happen is that you are going to get all your creatures destroyed. Its the nature of commander. You're also going to get comboed out with some creatures or you're going to have an artifact or creature that completely shuts down what you're trying to do. So you need some more things that will interact with that.
More Card Draw
You have a lot of good threats and synergies. But you're going to run out of gas in hand if you don't have something to refill after you've put everything into play. Especially if we get got by a wrath we couldn't stop. So we want a few things that will keep us ticking over when we have a board state. And a few things that might help us get back into it if we get blown out.
We have a few ramp spells in here, but not a lot. We could do with some more if we wwant to be able to reliably get up to 6 mana to start Rhys'ing as soon as possible.
Obviously, there has been some new cards printed since this was updated last so we can get them too :)
Sundering Growth - In the same way that some creatures ruin us. Some enchantments and artifacts do to. This is the best way to get rid of them for our deck. But some other Naturalize type effects are not a bad idea. Possibly in the form of creatures like Reclamation Sage or instants like Krosan Grip or Beast Within . Aura Mutation Is a specific enchantment removal that makes us guys which might be worth considering
Rootborn Defenses - The Anti Wrath cards. This one is our best option for our deck, and is the cheapest money wise. Dauntless Escort is good too. Then Heroic Intervention is more expensive moneywise and so is Selfless Spirit .
Mentor of the Meek - With the amount of small tokens we will be making, this guy is great.
Huatli, Radiant Champion - Her ultimate does not say 'Non-token'
Camaraderie - This one requires a board presence but can be well worth it
Shamanic Revelation - This one requires a board presence too. But a lot of green card draw does.
Harmonize - Straight up draw 3. Never bad.
The New fun things!
Anointed Procession - Another Parallel Lives, but in white
Divine Visitation - Just read it.... its a bit good
Cryptolith Rite - Lets all of our guys tap for mana
March of the Multitudes - Instant speed make a lot of guys. Very good with our Gaea's Cradle effects.
Second Harvest - Instand speed 4 mana Rhys activation for double everything.
Shalai, Voice of Plenty - Gives your other things Hexproof and can be used to pump the team with any spare mana you have.
Oviya Pashiri, Sage Lifecrafter - Like another Rhys. Except she makes big things. Do note that for some reason WOTC made her make fixed size guys so they are equal to the number of creatures you have WHEN YOU MAKE IT. I played this wrong for a few rounds in the prerelease.
Shanna, Sisay's Legacy - Hexproof lass with P/T equal to the number of creatures you control for 2 mana.
Throne of the God-Pharaoh - A good way to kill everyone at once without attacking.
Song of Freyalise - Lets our guys tap for mana for a few turns before then buffing them for a turn.
Sandwurm Convergence - Good protection and starts making 5/5 Wurms.
Thousand-Year Elixir - This is great for us as it effectively gives Rhys haste and can let you activate him twice in a turn.
Illusionist's Bracers - Doubles all of Rhys's Activations
Triumph of the Hordes - Kill everyone without them expecting it?
2 months ago
Hey! Welcome to the world of deck building!! I hope you enjoy your stay. For a first attempt at deckbuilding I will say this is quite impressive, you have avoided the primary mistake I see a lot which is over saturating on 1-of's. In making my suggestions I am going to assume that you are trying to stick to a budget.
First off, do you have an idea of what format you are going to be playing? Is it just casual? I ask because bar Counterspell this deck is modern legal.
The first major upgrade I can see is replacing the Orbs of Warding with Thunderstaff which is just cheaper and easier to cast on curve, and likely 2 at that cutting a land, in fact I would go down to 23 lands, 30 is going to result in quite a bit of flooding. To make up for the hexproof lost you can play a 1 of Witchbane Orb .
Moving on to creatures (with the cut lands we would have 4 extra slots still) I would cut the Blazing Archon for a Silent Arbiter ; I know the effect is slightly different however the body on Arbiter makes it effective and easier to cast, plus you don't really need to be swinging with multiple Angels a turn in the late game to win. I would also cut the 4 Suture Priest as they don't add too much to the deck, and make some space for enchantments and more prison like creatures, Burrenton Forge-Tender , Eidolon of Rhetoric , and Kami of False Hope all come to mind as options.
The counters I don't see as necessary, sure they are fine but I would prioritize removal over anything, so ideally Path to Exile , but cards like Declaration in Stone , Oblivion Ring , and Journey to Nowhere make solid replacements.
On to the enchantments themselves, I would cut one Privileged Position (thats 5 free slots), two seems a bit much considering it doesn't do a ton. With the blank slots I would up both Ghostly Prison and Sphere of Safety to 4 each as they truly are your best cards. With the 3 remaining slots I would consider a couple of 1-of's as alternate win-cons such as Sigil of the Empty Throne and Starfield of Nyx . With the last slot Runed Halo (which has fallen all the way to $4 from $30) is a card I would consider as it can answer that one big problem you cant stop.
Another consideration you may want to undertake is dropping the blue and instead adding green, Satyr Enchanter would function well here, providing you with an engine for the long game. Another consideration could be Overwhelming Splendor which admittedly is just funny.
The mana base is fine, although it could use an upgrade, for budget reasons I assume fetch lands are out of the equation, however a couple utility lands cannot hurt such as Memorial to Genius , Kabira Crossroads , and 4 Ghost Quarter .
I wish you the best of luck! If you need any help or clarification just tag me in a comment.
2 months ago
Thanks for the feedback! Agent of Erebos seems like a great addition, so I'll be looking for space to add it!
The hope is that the two commanders will help with card draw either by attacking themselves early game or with various tokens from Thopter Spy Network , Sigil of the Empty Throne , or Luminarch Ascension into the mid and late game. This plan is definitely fairly meta-dependent and not always reliable, though.
2 months ago
Hey, I'm an experienced Tiana pilot and would love to help! ( my deck link here ).
The first thing I would change is Wrath of God and Blasphemous Act because creature-only board wipes destroy the creatures, then the auras, so Tiana won't trigger for any of your auras. But board wipes like Hour of Revelation , Day of Reckoning, End Hostilities , Nevinyrral's Disk , Cataclysmic Gearhulk , Tragic Arrogance etc would make Tiana trigger on your auras. You could put in Auratog or Faith Healer so you respond to creature-only board wipes, or put in indestructible stuff like Hammer of Nazahn , Shielded by Faith , Kytheon, Hero of Akros Flip etc.
Bludgeon Brawl has cool synergy with Tiana, because if Vandalblast , Scrap Mastery , Hour of Revelation etc are cast, then Tiana will trigger on your artifacts too. And if you include this, consider adding artifacts that sacrifice themselves like Unstable Obelisk , Commander's Sphere , Boros Locket , Boros Cluestone , Orazca Relic .
Along with self-sacrificing artifacts, I loved the idea of self-sacrificing auras and recycling them over and over with Tiana, especially with Sigil of the Empty Throne or Ajani's Chosen on the battlefield. Auras like Capashen Standard , Mortal Obstinacy , Flamespeaker's Will , Brand of Ill Omen , Sun Clasp , Weight of Conscience , Bound by Moonsilver , Lunarch Mantle , Uncontrolled Infestation , Inferno Fist , Guilty Conscience etc.
Other than the aforementioned cards, I'll also mention Mistmeadow Skulk which dodges board wipes, the new Swiftblade Vindicator and Smothering Tithe , Fabled Hero and other heroic cards that benefit from the aura recycling, Forgeborn Oreads and Scroll of the Masters and Mesa Enchantress for the aura recycling, Ethereal Armor , Helm of the Gods , Heavenly Blademaster , Laccolith Rig is stupid but fun, Heirloom Blade because RW sucks at draw (except this deck if you add auras that draw).
If I wanted to cut some cards from your deck, I would start with Order since it's 4 mana for a really narrow removal spell, and 3 mana to do something that odric or angelic skirmisher do (which is creatures so can be brought back into the game easier). Kwende, Pride of Femeref is essentially a 4/4 for 4 mana and is only useful for Tiana. Kitsune Mystic isn't needed with all the sacrificing and such. Authority of the Consuls and Godsend and Basilisk Collar isn't that impactful for an aggro strategy. Whispersilk Cloak gives shroud which isn't the best for a deck all about auras and equipment. Chariot of Victory isn't that good and doesn't add any power. And I would take out as many tapped lands as you don't mind, they slow down decks way too much, add Battlefield Forge .
Hope this helps makes your deck stronger!
3 months ago
NoOneOfConsequence I actually did playtest your deck once (I know, it isn't a great sample size by any means), yet many cards are an issue. I apologize, I really want to like a deck you post, just to not make this a dramafest, but I can't say a bad deck is good. Damnation and Wrath don't need to be put into the deck at all.
Here is a full list of cards that are particularly overpriced, and where each card I think is bad or could be better fits, if you truely believe that I can't evaluate it fairly:
Doomwake Giant - Interesting repeatable board wipe, a meta-dependent inclusion though, not good for the average cEDH meta, but does have a place in some lists. I'd drop, but could imagine many arguments for it's inclusion.
Ghostly Prison - anti-attacks, which just rarely comes into play outside of kiki-lines and the sort, a strange meta-dependent inclusion, but I coudl much less justify this one.
Karmic Justice - Cool card, but often enchantment removal comes in the form of bounce or exile, and so this effect feels very off.
Vindicate - 3 mana remove 1 thing is a lot of wasted mana, easy drop.
No Mercy - Really a lot of attack-hate, strange for a stax list with a commander that generates blockers. Easy drop at a 4 mana do nothing enchantment.
Knowledge Pool - I get the Eidolon of Rhetoric / Rule of Law combo with it, but many decks have better value engines than Daxos, or can respond by killing one of the pieces, or can kill Daxos. These make this combo rarely an easy way to finish the game, requiring a ton of setup/backup that survives the lock. I think better options exist.
Sigil of the Empty Throne - A slow, 5 mana do nothing enchantment, it takes forever to get this going, easy drop.
Sphere of Safety - This much creature-attack hate? How much do you need? 1 card is often too much with Daxos in the CZ, but you run... including sweepers... like 11? Wow. Your meta must be all Edric and Blood Pod, maybe 1 Kess Twin, nah, just all Edric decks.
Black Market - maybe in a meta with 50 Edric decks. Outside of that, easy drop.
Land Tax - should run the Geddon/Ravages package or leave this out.
Mesa Enchantress - Slow card draw on a weak creature is just removal bait, this deck has better cards for the slot. Harder drop.
Phyrexian Arena - A lot of math goes into why this card is generally pretty bad. Inefficient and weak in most circumstances, and needs almost 5 unimpeded turns to get enough value to be okay. Better cards for the slot.
Cabal Coffers - big mana, not worth it outside of ANS.
Vesuva - copying a land to enter tapped leaves you in a lack of mana. Weak card.
Command Beacon - easy drop, weak card.
Deserted Temple - Easy drop, weak card.
Strip Mine - Good card, not here.
Temple of Silence - scry is weak when you lose due to not having mana, easy drop
Kor Haven - Easy Drop, never gonna use that ability
Plains x4 - Not great at Fixing
New inclusions (Total drops are at 42)
Base inclusions: Fellwar Stone , Prismatic Lens , Thought Vessel , Everflowing Chalice , Caves of Koilos , Command Tower , City of Brass , Mana Confluence , Exotic Orchard , Cavern of Souls , Gemstone Caverns , Gemstone Mine , and Tarnished Citadel
Total real cards left to put in: 29
Thorn of Amethyst , Thalia, Guardian of Thraben , Trinisphere , Tangle Wire , Sphere of Safety , Damping Sphere , Fragmentize , Aura of Silence , Dismember , Lotus Petal , Dark Ritual , Kataki, War's Wage , Crucible of Worlds , Bottomless Pit , Oppression , Liliana of the Veil , Static Orb , Linvala, Keeper of Silence , Ethersworn Canonist , Aven Mindcensor , Torpor Orb , Planar Void , Grafdigger's Cage , Ensnaring Bridge (just for your meta), Dark Confidant , Containment Priest , Chalice of the Void , Sanctum Prelate , Alms Collector
That would be the deck.
3 months ago
Nope. This deck is pretty dead to combo, running really little good interaction and a bunch of dead cards or overpriced cards like Call to the Grave , Damnation , and Wrath of God . Also, wincons like Sigil of the Empty Throne are weak and overpriced. I am not a fan of Sanguine Blood combo, however it isn't the worst, but your commander doesn't happen to synergize well with the deck, so it feels really clunky.
BTW when your ramp isn't immediate, doesn't fix colors, and is 5 mana and requires you to sacrifice creatures or hope to god an opponent runs them, your deck isn't tuned ( Black Market for my cEDH friends who don't know of this card, don't worry, it is jank tech to the extreme!)
3 months ago
Im a big fan of mid-rangey mono color tribal decks, but here is some advice if you want to make it work more consistently and be generally more successful even in a very casual table top setting:
Curve in modern is king!
If you look at the curve for your deck and the average CMC in general, its very very high and its going to take several turns to even start getting your big angels out. This is an issue because at most you will be playing one threat per turn, and by turn 4 your control opponent will have more than enough mana and cards to stop them from hitting the board, your aggro opponents will have killed you, and faster mid range decks will have set up the board to a point where you are behind the rest of the game.
Solutions: Splash green for ramp ( Llanowar Elves , Birds of Paradise ) or find more cards in the 1 and 3 slots that are defensive. Current build is desperate for Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx . Defensive/tax/solid cards in white you can use would be stuff like Leonin Arbiter , Thalia, Guardian of Thraben , Thraben Inspector , Doomed Traveler , Student of Warfare .
Interacting with your opponent is key!
Currently the only removal you have in your deck is Ixalan's Binding , which costs a large amount of mana considering it only removes a single target. Lucky for us we are playing white and have alot of great removal. Path to Exile , Fragmentize , Oblivion Ring . If I was playing this deck, my biggest fear would be my opponent would play something like Ensnaring Bridge because i'd only have a 32% chance of drawing Ixalan's Binding by turn 5 and thats spooky!
Hope this helps. tl;dr is I'd lower the average CMC, add more removal and ways to interact with the opponent
Sigil of the Empty Throne occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.03%
GWU (Bant): 0.85%