|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Printings View all
|Zendikar Expeditions (EXP)||Mythic Rare|
|Vintage Masters (VMA)||Rare|
|Masters Edition IV (ME4)||Rare|
|From the Vault: Exiled (V09)||Rare|
|Fourth Edition (4ED)||Uncommon|
|4th Edition Foreign Black Border (4EDFBB)||Uncommon|
Combos Browse all
: Add to your mana pool.
, Sacrifice Strip Mine: Destroy target land.
|Have (7)||DrLitebur , KillDatBUG , metalmagic , ZeBear , gosora , d3sden0va ,|
|Want (14)||OminousNois3 , isamu , gigimaci , Ignis_Rana , firemind12 , Aaryanna , tahlo , Sorensking , fitu , James9875412 , mtgpaggis , LordBushbaby , Gilzon , nufmen|
Strip Mine Discussion
1 hour ago
Necropotence is a powerful draw refill engine, if you fix your mana base you will always be guaranteed to hit triple black easily. There are also ways you can add in triple black by having burst mana in the use of rituals like Dark Ritual . The Venser's Journal and Necro synergy is great, but sometimes it will be a dead card in your hand but the lifegain never really is a detriment. I played Sen for quite awhile so it does draw a lot of hate. One card I do like a lot if your going in a creature light build is Overburden as pretty much you deny them of playing more creatures and if they do they bounce back a land which you can play. I would also go into a some extra turn builds to build up more advantage, cards like Nexus of Fate , Time Warp , or Temporal Manipulation are stellar cards to use.
Yeah I can definitely help with mana base, however depending on your budget it can go either way as land base are quite expensive. Utility lands aren't much of a problem aside from that one Strip Mine to deal with pesky lands like Gaea's Cradle and such. There are other synergy you can use like Notion Thief + Windfall / Dark Deal / Whispering Madness . The additions you add are great ones, but in personal opinion I still think the CMC curve is quite high and can still be lowered.
4 hours ago
Wow, I went back and dug through my older comments, and I've said "Yeah I'm totally gonna get a Strip Mine in here" like twice already. And I somehow STILL do not have one. Why am I like this?
5 hours ago
COLORLESS IS BEST COLOR
Really though, no worries about the essay. I like when people take the time to give well-reasoned feedback honestly, and if you saw the description you know I can get pretty long-winded as well. And I'm about to.
Glad to see you have the good taste to realize which Kozilek is really best. Annihilator is just brutal, and I adore it. Also, Butcher does have a lot more consistent draw, and while Kozilek, the Great Distortion can draw more in one cast, you can't Strionic Resonator his cast trigger.
The price listed on here is mostly due to price spikes and generally high-balled prices on here. I don't think I've put as much as $1000 even into this deck, merely a lot of time, some good trades, and a few very well timed purchases (good lord am I glad I went for the Mana Crypt when it was down to $70.)
The reason I haven't really gone for any stax is because honestly, my meta's not a huge fan of such effects. I've considered the Orbs, absolutely, but frankly I'm not going to be the one to start another arms race in my group. That said, Torpor Orb really should find a slot, because literally the only thing it stops in here is Solemn Simulacrum , which while unfortunate, is definitely an acceptable loss given what it DOES stop. My stance on said stax effects could change, given I move to another, more cutthroat meta or my current one powercreeps to the point where I absolutely must slot the Orbs and such in. You're not wrong in your assessment there by any means though.
Urzatron has only ever been assembled like, once in this deck, so I probably could ditch it for more useful utility lands. And a Strip Mine . I don't know how the hell I haven't added one of those by now either. An older version of this list actually did run Miren, the Moaning Well as well, but I ended up moving it to my Kokusho deck as I only have the one at the moment. I'll see about getting some new things slotted in there.
I like Key to the City as a way to grant unblockable. Usually I could care less about the draw trigger, though I do use it when I feel I can. Batterskull could be cut honestly, I kind of rush slotted that in over Planar Bridge because I noticed that with Bridge all I ever did was go digging for Paradox Engine and a way to go infinite and barf my deck onto the table, and honestly that got boring for me. Ashnod's Altar could lead to some silly shenanigans, I'll have to see about getting at least one of those. Mirrorworks is actually a card I've been on the fence about myself. Like, sometimes it's a dead cast that doesn't get a lot done, sometimes I get dual Monoliths and have all the mana, all the time. It'll probably go when I get my hands on one of those sweet new Ugins honestly, because I NEED HIM HE'S GREAT HOLY CRAP. I've also considered Staff of Domination here, but I'm not sure if it would be too powerful or not. Might test that out. Memory Jar is a card I've used a bit in my Hanna deck, and it's obscenely good with her recursion. I assume it would be great here, I just need to get another.
Always nice to hear from someone else who knows just how damn fun colorless is. I wish you good luck and lots of fast mana opening hands.
6 hours ago
Colorless is the best color. I'm always happy to see someone else playing the best Kozilek. And with a pretty dang good budget too, wow. I did my best to read the comments, but I can't promise I won't repeat some of their suggestions.
Can I talk you into some stax? Our precious artifact babies need all the protection from evil Merciless Eviction 's and nasty Bane of Progress es. I know that the primary strategy for dealing with the main artifact-destroyers at the table is to hit them hard and fast, but that won't happen every time. Shut down those pesky forests with Winter Orb . Slow down those speedy decks with Tangle Wire (seriously though, this card is the nuts). Torpor Orb can't hurt either. A well timed Kozilek into Static Orb gets the Ws almost immediately.
Do you ever get much value out of the Urza lands? Miren, the Moaning Well is solid because sac outlets are good stuff. Deserted Temple is a budget Candelabra. Scavenger Grounds can save your butt against graveyard shenanigans. And dude, where's your Strip Mine ?
I infer from your list that you enjoy the smashy side of this deck, while I prefer the speedy combo assembly aspect of Kozi. I understand Fireshrieker 's value of one-shotting some poor sap, but Batterskull seems a little too low value, as does Key to the City . I fill those slots with ways to get Kozi back in my hand/command zone, like Ashnod's Altar and Erratic Portal .
How much value do you get from Mirrorworks ? I felt it was a little too slow and cut it from my list a while back. A 5 drop I'm currently interesting in trying out is Memory Jar . Another I'm on the cusp of purchasing is Staff of Domination , because everyone says it's amazing. If you're ever interested in yet another ramp artifact, Kyren Toy is delightfully weird. I'm pretty hype for Newgin , too.
You're doing God's work, colorless player, keep it up. Really fantastic list. Sorry for the essay.
8 hours ago
Hey hkhssweiss, after the main deck is complete, do you mind helping me with the mana base/land base please? It needs some work. Not only am I concerned with having the correct amount of lands for each colour, I also wonder how many utility lands should be in there (Like Academy Ruins and Strip Mine ), and which ones to have or scrap. Thanks!
4 days ago
Hey Joe it's Owen! I helped my buddy Ryan build a Windgrace deck a few weeks ago and it reminded me to take a look at your list and throw some suggestions your way (up to you if you want to heed them, of course).
So one of the first things I see when I look at your list is that you're missing one of the key things to Windgrace's land recursion ability: utility lands. Strip Mine and Glacial Chasm are huge stars in the deck since you're able to bring them back to field with either Life from the Loam or Windgrace's -3 ability. Paired with Wayward Swordtooth and other effects ( Azusa, Lost but Seeking , Oracle of Mul Daya , Exploration ), you can use strip mine to blow up 7 or more opponent's lands per turn. This puts you at a tremendous mana advantage and lets you eliminate pesky things like Tyler's Maze of Ith (a card you could run in here as well to prevent Windgrace from dying) or Lotus Vale (another card you could run since you'll just get the sacrificed lands back).
I would like to point out that Glacial Chasm is even better. This land prevents you from taking any damage. You have to pay (cumulatively) 2 life in your upkeep but instead you could sacrifice it in upkeep and then bring it back to field with Windgrace or Ramunap Excavator or Crucible of Worlds . By the way, Crucible of Worlds would be very good to run here.
It's great that you have The Gitrog Monster in here, because this is basically the Lieutenant of any Windgrace deck. You should run Dakmor Salvage here, as well, since you can dredge that land when it's in your graveyard (dredge meaning instead of drawing you can put that card from your graveyard to your hand and then mill however much). Dakmor Salvage has dredge 2, so lets say that in upkeep you have to sacrifice a land to the Gitrog Monster. You choose to sacrifice Dakmor Salvage, which hits the graveyard and thus triggers the Gitrog Monster to draw you a card. Instead of drawing, you then choose to dredge Dakmor Salvage and return it to your hand to mill 3. If you mill 3 lands off the top of your deck, you get 3 more Gitrog triggers to draw cards. This is incredibly useful for drawing through your deck and getting to your win conditions. Paired with a discard outlet such as Borborygmos Enraged or Noose Constrictor you can actually draw your entire deck (or in the case of Borborygmos, draw your entire deck and then kill everyone with it). Either way, Dakmor Salvage is an incredible piece that you should run in here and is only like $2.
Also, have you ever noticed how you create giant creatures like Multani and Zendikar Incarnate in here but someone always has ways to block them or Maze of Ith to prevent combat damage? Say goodbye to those days if you pick up Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord . Instead of being forced to swing out one at a time with your big creatures, you can activate Jarad and sacrifice Multani to him, causing each opponent to lose life equal to Multani's power (which tends to be big). The great thing here is that you can just replay Multani from the graveyard! And if you mill Jarad, he has an ability that lets you play him from the graveyard, as well! So the more you mill with cards like Dakmor Salvage, the closer you could get to assembling this kind of a win condition. Note here that Lord of Extinction is another great card you can use to sacrifice to Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord since its power/toughness will be equal to ALL cards in ALL graveyards. This creature tends to be bigger than 40/40 in a windgrace deck, so count on killing every opponent at once with one Jarad activation with this creature. Speaking of big creatures and dredge, Golgari Grave-Troll is another great card to run in here.
Lastly, you wanna make sure that out of your 99 cards you get exactly what you want in your graveyard. There's some cards that can do that for you. Entomb and Buried Alive allow you to fetch Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord , Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar , Dakmor Salvage , Life from the Loam , etc. and put that into the graveyard. Expedition Map and Scapeshift allow you to get the exact lands that you want (scapeshift gives hella landfall triggers for your creatures), and Animate Dead and Necromancy can allow you to pull your creatures back out of the graveyard when you need them.
Again, these cards are just some suggestions. But you've been playing Windgrace for a while now and I thought I'd toss this info your way! Love the look of the new Orzhov deck and how interactive it is. See ya thursday!
4 days ago
I think Temple Bell / Howling Mine always sound like a good idea but ultimately become your undoing; especially in a multiplayer game... someone is gonna end up drawing/playing something you cant deal with and or combo off (thats my opinion)... in a 1V1 game it could work with blowing up lands with Sinkhole / Strip Mine and all that kinda fun stuff; and id say go the opposite rout of The Rack / Shrieking Affliction and go with Black Vise / Ebony Owl Netsuke .
I suggest Necrogen Mists to keep hands empty and Dakmor Salvage for its synergy with Smallpox / Raven's Crime ... for some protection Ensnaring Bridge can help keep creatures from plowing you over and Pack Rat / Zombie Infestation can be good for getting value from "dead" discard spells.... there is also the queen of 8-Rack herself Liliana of the Veil .
4 days ago
Bazzul I love the deck btw - though it won't likely compete with Godo, that's ok.
I've crunched the numbers and currently your mana cost for the entire build is 72 - the minimum mana cost for using naus is like 52(?) I believe. So the likelihood of you having enough mana's worth in hand to reliably cast naus as a simpler method is just not going to work.
Skeletal scrying for 30-odd would find you a decent chunk of what you're looking for, even giving you the chance to pitch Phantasmagorian without unmask.
Increasing your consistency I'd recommend some basic stax: The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale , Wasteland , Strip Mine ; some further lands you could consider: Myriad Landscape , Blighted Fen (for Bone Picker ), Bazaar of Baghdad , the new Blast Zone , Forbidden Orchard is a card that works collectively with opponents to block tymnas (you give them enough spirits that they can double-block to remove it / whatever you feel is necessary), Deserted Temple will make ritual lands faster, Scrying Sheets with snow-covered swamps will help you to dig for removal (albeit a bad mana sink).
For real though, love the brew; I tried to work something out with Belzenlok when he got spoiled, so seeing this puts me to shame. Nice one.
Strip Mine occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.16%
BRG (Jund): 1.04%
BUG (Sultai): 1.03%