Strip Mine

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Discussion (51)

dingusdingo on Yuriko Reality and Consultants - cEDH

1 day ago

I'll cede the Nevermore point to you, the commander does indeed slip through it and yes I also know the card isn't played. The larger overall point though is that at any table you only have control over 100 of the 400 cards that see play and being vulnerable to a single card that shuts down your entire strategy is a liability. Especially when you play paper, people don't have 100% powered lists and often substitute hoser or situational cards. Regardless, the deck is still 100% dependent on the commander sticking on the table, and its practically your only source of card advantage. Any deck that handles the commander easily is going to shit all over your pile of 99. Replace Nevermore with Lignify or Kenrith's Transformation or Darksteel Mutation or Song of the Dryads or Imprisoned in the Moon and you have the exact same problem, your deck is shut off when your commander is handled. Rather than engage the actual logic of what I'm saying, you and your buddies are getting caught up on specific cards instead of overall types of interaction.

This deck crumples if it can't get commander triggers. That is the point I've been making. Stop misconstruing it.

You'll notice how when I talked about alternate costs, I even said you don't cast it for the regular CMC normally. I did say that in some situations, especially in grindier games, you may find yourself in a position where you end up casting the actual CMC of cards like Force of Negation as you don't wish to -1 card advantage your hand and you're packing the mana. Once again, why do you ask me if I'm reading your primer when you aren't reading my replies?

Yeah its neat that misdirection handles spells, I never said it didn't. I said it doesn't handle the 3 most important spells resolving in the format right now. I am well aware how it interacts with uncounterable cards. Once again, are you reading what I'm writing? Losing a permanent to Abrupt Decay sucks but losing the game to Tainted Pact is 100% worse. This is extremely easy comparative logic for anyone who is trying to win games.

I never spoke badly about Dark Ritual except to note its a consumable piece of mana, and doesn't help you in creating turn loops. I have no problem with its inclusion.

You must be seriously new if you don't understand that when I say Pyroclasm and variants, I'm talking about cards besides simply Pyroclasm. Every time I've mentioned it I've talked about pyroclasm effects, I'm talking about Anger of the Gods Earthquake Toxic Deluge Rolling Earthquake Fiery Confluence Sweltering Suns Fire Covenant Sudden Demise and Subterranean Tremors. There are also all kinds of "Destroy all creatures" effects that I didn't list. Yes, I am highly aware that 2 damage from pyroclasm doesn't kill Yuriko, but it sets back your board state, and all the other pyroclasm VARIANTS do kill Yuriko. This strategy is also seen in decks like Ruric Thar or Keranos. Its more usually seen in tier 2 decks that are able to engage the meta due to how creature heavy the current meta is. Being proud for playing cedh but only playing against 6 different decks doesn't really give you a huge representation of the viable decks in the format. It means you're still new. Yes its good to be aware of the tier 1 decks and the commonly played decks, but if you're running into more fringe decks that are able to leverage these kinds of cards against you, your deck is going to lose in more places than it should. Especially since many tier 1 partner decks are able to utilize these creature blow out cards with things specifically like Sudden Demise.

This leads into Xantcha being a competitive deck. It is 100% a competitive deck, there are decks besides Flash Hulk you need to be aware of. Especially in the current creature heavy meta, continuously blowing out the board turns your Pyroclasm effects into 3-for-1 or 4-for-1 trades to keep ahead of Blue and Green decks. It isn't a tier 1 deck, but if you play cedh you'll run into this deck or another deck that trades specifically on big creature hate. http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/xantcha-combo-control/

Similarly, you'll run into a planeswalker commander like Animatou that is able to run big creature hate effects like Humility that once again, completely blow this deck apart.

I am not friends with SolelySelesnya and I don't know him personally or online. I just find these lists haven't explored new territory with Yuriko.

You guys can spend all day saying I'm rude until you're blue in the face, but I made a simple comment on both lists asking why they didn't run a specific card. Rather than respond, or tag me, or answer me, they deleted the comment and wrote a note about it that I received no notification for, and had to dig to find. Me posting on their lists is not passive aggressive, not being able to even respond to a comment and deleting it is passive aggressive. Also why complain about my tone when you use the same post to engage in the exact behavior you're so mad about? If you had just taken 3 minutes to respond giving your very basic reasoning for card justification instead of deleting comments, we could have had this conversation without you getting upset.

Now to respond to Rad Dummy specifically

If you don't think pyroclasm is cedh playable you need to reevaluate. Look at the proliferation of green due to the 7 mana different turn 1 mana dorks available to the color. Players keep 2 land hands because it includes a Llanowar Elves. Look at the amount of hatebear strategies that are significantly chipped away at from Pyroclasm and variants. Look at value enablers like Edric, Spymaster of Trest or even just Dark Confidant that are blown out by Pyroclasm. For real, the card definitely sees play. Board wipes ARE relevant for Yuriko because without a creature on the board you must cast then pass, not getting the immediate card advantage trigger. You also lose further card advantage from not being able to land other ninjas on players too for additional triggers. Your inability to see this makes me think little of your critical faculties.

Diving Top is indeed a grindier card, but you're missing the point I've been making the entire time. Your ONLY pile cracker outside of your commander is Brainstorm or Thought Scour. When your commander isn't available, your DD is a dead card in hand. Rather than respond to this point, you keep sidetracking about how its too much mana investment or only good for grindier games. Not every game is going to curve perfectly into a turn 4 or 5 win. Running DD and only running a pilecracker via your commander is short sighted. Rather than respond to that point, you keep sidetracking. Have you considered that maybe Doomsday isn't the exact same strategy as the rest of the Yuriko deck? Maybe by choosing to slot DD, you have to include build around cards to help find it and resolve it smoothly?

Its neat that you're getting real upset and want to patronize me about math. I only talked explicitly about mana costs, and didn't misspeak. The ability to start the time warp with 5 mana and take the extra turn into the land drop for the 6 mana for the loop is neat and should be included in the primer for the combo, but the combo has far bigger problems. You also never responded to my point about assuredly getting to 6 mana reliably with 29 lands and 4 pieces of ramp, only 3 of which can execute the loop. You're assuming a lot of Yuriko triggers that are not guaranteed. Once again, the back up combo still relies heavily on getting Yuriko triggers. It isn't helping you in match ups where Yuriko struggles.

• Breezecaller is a creature and can be removed by LITERALLY any color at any point to disrupt the combo
• Mystic requires 3 other islands in play, meaning you absolutely 100% cannot start the combo before turn 4 at the earliest
• Mystic requiring 3 other islands means you are vulnerable to Strip Mine or Wasteland or MLD while setting up
• Mystic returning from GY means literally any piece of targeted grave hate stops this combo. Any deck can run Tormod's Crypt, while many opt for more efficient pieces of GY removal or GY hate
• Time Warp requires a cast every time and can be disrupted. It can also be Misdirection'd lol
• Extra turn hate is present in some decks especially in the form of Stranglehold.

The combo is basically hoping everyone is tapped out or has 0 instants in their hands. While it may be slot efficient with other things that you wish to run, it is by no means efficient or fast overall.

I know you're trying to carve out a name for yourself, but you are clearly inexperienced. Playing against 6 decks that are copies of Shaper lists doesn't encompass the entirety of the competitive scene. Both this deck and your own list are extremely vulnerable to a handful of cards and a couple overarching strategies. Rather than engage critically and employ your big boy thinking pants, you would rather split hairs over "Xantcha could NEVER be competitive viable" or "Go watch casual YT video". My point stands. Rather than engage with honest critique, your ego is much too fragile to imagine that maybe the list you made has problems and isn't perfect. @ me if you wish to continue further discussing these points, otherwise lets save both of us any future headaches and leave this be.

NinjaBunny01 on The Immortal King: The Fable of Oloro [Primer]

2 days ago

The real problem I have with it is I don't have a real finisher for it. I can go until I get my Reliquary Tower, but again I don't have cards that would help finish the game. And my land can easily get removed by Wasteland or Strip Mine, causing me to go back down to 7 anyways. I would probably be better off with Necropotence (which I have been considering adding, probably in place of Phyrexian Arena). My prior testing is why I'm leaning that way as it usually resulted in lots of cards in hand and not a lot to play. I do agree with the Sovereign being bad, which is why I have been thinking of removing it or adding in Flash. I will be testing that idea when I can. If you have a finisher idea to replace it, please let me know. Lastly, I agree with your assessment of the deck being held back a little bit. I am leaning towards just removing my infinite combo restrictions and going all in on cEDH. But I don't believe the deck will change to much. Thanks for the critique, it's greatly appreciated!

MindAblaze on Crystal Ball or Crucible of ...

5 days ago

Do you play fetchlands? Strip Mine et al.? Cycling lands? Dredge of any sort, especially Life from the Loam? Any other way that you put your own lands in the graveyard?

If so, Crucible. If not, Crystal Ball is repeatable top deck control for a reasonable cost.

kingtuf on Glissa the Traitor needs some help

1 week ago

Any Glissa, the Traitor deck rude enough to play Mindslaver should be running Forbidden Orchard. These three cards form a perma-lock on a single player so long as you are not disrupted. Also, consider looking into some self mill. With Glissa, your graveyard becomes a toolbox/hand-extension that you really want to see filled. Dakmor Salvage, Stinkweed Imp and Golgari Thug are all cheap dredgers that can turn one card draw into 2-5 in the graveyard. Hell, even Golgari Grave-Troll is cheap now that it's banned in modern. If you want to break the bank a bit, Life from the Loam and good utility lands like Strip Mine, Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth or Cabal Coffers are all very happy to live in this deck. If you're looking for cards to drop, I know they can be fun and are a little safer to use with Glissa's ability, but cards like Nemesis Mask and Viridian Longbow are so, so much better off as instant speed removal spells like Putrefy or Windgrace's Judgment. Golgari removal spells hit a wider range of targets and many run at instant speed, making them far more versatile than the cheeky equipment shenanigans Glissa can do. Remember, all she cares about is seeing a creature die, she doesn't need to be the one to do it! Hope something here helps you out. I have a 75% Glissa deck that runs several of the cards I mentioned here and I have to say she is easily my favorite commander. Best of luck!

CommanderTech on Salvaging Boros - A Deep Dive (1.1)

3 weeks ago

Version 1.1 - Replaced Wear/Tear with Chaos Warp: Better flexibility for more demanding situations.

Replaced Phyrexian Atlar with Eldrazi Displacer: Much more synergy with all my ETB creatures, and the colored mana from Phyrexian Atlar does not work well with Displacer.

Replaced 1x Mountain and 1x Plains with Stranglehold and Strip Mine. More control plus mine works well with displacer.

Replaced 1x Mountain and 1x plains with Imperial Recruiter and Recruiter of the Guard. More tutors never hurt.

Poly_raptor on *BREAKING* Heroic Bear Saves Day

3 weeks ago

usaDiabetic hey :)

Mono green is a bit out of my comfort zone but I think maybe you could run a few things like Chord of Calling or maybe Finale of Devastation since you’ve got the mana to cast big creatures anyway.

Also, I’d cut Ghost Quarter for Strip Mine I just think it’s better

Also maybe Worldspine Wurm +1’d like the list,

Om3gaOm3n on Kefnet Turns [[cEDH Primer]]

3 weeks ago

I have been playing this deck for about a week now. The only issue I see is how to deal with Glacial Chasm would you recommend Boomerang because it's another 2cmc target, or just Strip Mine?

Or is the best play to win through JtMS ult?

TDemers on All Good Things Come In Triplets

1 month ago

Make sure you run Strip Mine and/or Wasteland to get rid of a pesky Homeward Path