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Temple of Plenty
Temple of Plenty enters the battlefield tapped.
When Temple of Plenty enters the battlefield, scry 1. (Look at the top card of your library. You may put that card on the bottom of your library.)
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Temple of Plenty Discussion
1 week ago
4-8 is the typical number of removal spells decks run. Path to Exile is the card of choice. I've never invested the $$ in it personally.
In terms of lands, you want to look at a few things: 1) what color, if any is most common in the mana cost of your 1 and 2 CMC spells. 2) what color(s) dominate your color wheel 3) how much money do you want to spend. In many cases, 6 dual lands is enough. If you go with Sunpetal Grove , you'd want to keep pretty many basic lands for it to be worth it. I forgot to mention Razorverge Thicket - that's a fantastic land, too. Canopy Vista is nice if you have spells that specify "forest," but otherwise there are better options. I've been experimenting with combining bounce lands with scry lands lately (for budget grins) IE - Selesnya Sanctuary + Temple of Plenty - it's not particularly good, but with Voyaging Satyr it's not bad. The point is that for the deck it's in, Selesnya Sanctuary 's bounce is actually helpful ( Quicksilver Fountain / Eternity Vessel ) - so it's a good land for that deck. You should think of your land-base not only as a source of mana, but as a versatile mechanic entwined with the rhythm of the deck. If you're going up against opponents bringing stuff back from their graveyard, Scavenger Grounds could be added to the mainboard, but 4x Scavenging Ooze in the sideboard is way better. (in reference to your exile vs destroy comment). I can't believe I forgot this one, but Gavony Township is a no-brainer here if you can afford it. (1x)
I think it's better to put down a creature on T1 than it is to play Hardened Scales. My white +1/+1 counter deck Cocaine plays much faster than any mono-green or selesnya build I've tried, and I've tried quite a few: Engorged Weenies, Sage of counters, Nuclear Proliferation, Elvish Dividends, Counter-Elves, Simestrogen, Spinach, Obese Americans - as you can see, I've included varying number of Hardened Scales in each of these (and I've tested them unevenly) - but the reason I haven't tested more is because the mono-white Cocaine build sets the bar pretty high. It's the fastest, most resilient, and consistent so far. I keep trying to make a green or selesnya deck that matches it, but so far, it's been underwhelming. One of the reasons being that green doesn't have the quality 1CMC creatures white has. A 3/3 creature on T2 isn't as good as a 2/3 and a 2/2 with first strike and vigilance on T2. That is, missing a creature drop on T1 is a pretty serious sacrifice. Modern is a pretty fast format. It's not difficult to build a deck that combos off on T3. I build a lot decks here to explore possibilities. One of the strange conclusions I've come to is that Hardened Scales is too slow. (I realize this is counter-intuitive, to say the least and that there are probably a lot of people that would want to fight me about it.) Long story short, I'd encourage you to search very hard for as many 1CMC counter creatures and to include at least 4, if not 6-8.
Also, add Metallic Mimic to the list of benefits to tribal +1/+1 counters, though I think this spell is also over-valued - it's really not very good by T4. It's both slow and timing-sensitive.
1 week ago
This is the first deck I ever built dating back to the 2015 prerelease. It's evolved a ton since then, clearly, with all the cards from later sets in it. That's kinda why the cards are so seemingly random. I haven't purchased cards for this deck yet. Everything I have was either pulled or traded for.
There's currently 69 cards because to be honest, I really struggle with deciding what to remove to meet 60 cards. I feel like they are all pretty good and serve a distinct purpose in the deck.
I definitely want those lands. I don't really like Fertile Thicket either. Probably remove the Selesnya Guildgate s because they're too slow too, huh? I like Oran-Rief, the Vastwood , Sunpetal Grove , and Temple of Plenty . I love the combo of Canopy Vista + Windswept Heath , but that seems like a lot of money for land, although I might justify it if I could see it's worth. What are the most important things I'm looking for when choosing land?
The Wanderer , Suspension Field , Wanderer's Strike , Hunt the Weak , and Prison Realm all help with protecting from creatures that I otherwise wouldn't be able to deal with, and Dragonscale Boon and Stony Strength surprise my opponent when they're attacking or try to mess with tapped creatures. What I really need are a couple cards that exile permanents rather than creatures, though. I have a couple of Generous Gift s in another deck that I could pull out and put into here.
If I cut The Wanderer , all instants, sorceries, and enchantments and dropped down to 24 creatures, I could have space for 8 cards if I kept 23 lands. What do you think the best would be the best 8 cards to have? Right now I'm thinking: 2x Generous Gift , Bow of Nylea , Nissa, Voice of Zendikar , 2x Blessed Alliance , Oblivion Ring , maybe Hardened Scales (how bad is it really if you play it first turn, considering all I would have to play other than that would be a hexdrinker, and it benefits massively from it if I can beef him before he gets protection from everything?) or Harvest Season ? (but that wouldn't that only be good with some landfall stuff or Vinelasher Kudzu , like you had said?)
Would that provide me with enough board removal to be consistently successful?
1 week ago
These are your best creatures: Evolution Sage, Hexdrinker, Huatli's Raptor, Managorger Hydra, Mistcutter Hydra, Tuskguard Captain. I suggest you increase most of those creatures to a full set (4x each) and cut the rest.
You currently have 69 cards included. That number should be reduced to 60. I suggest cutting all the Instants, Sorceries, and Enchantments except Pledge of Unity. If after all the cutting there is room left over, I've outlined a number of spells that will add dynamism and range both with the creatures above and with other spells below.
I believe good lands are more important than Planeswalkers. Llanowar Reborn and Oran-Rief, the Vastwood are perhaps valuable enough to consider. Sunpetal Grove , Canopy Vista , Temple of Plenty , Fortified Village , Temple Garden , Windswept Heath are all worth considering, depending on your budget. Swapping out your slow lands for those listed above will improve both speed and reliability.
My thoughts on +1/+1 counters decks: Hardened Scales is overkill, over-rated, and slow. It's a very powerful card that doesn't necessarily speed decks to a win. The best +1/+1 counter decks include only low CMC creatures that can repeatedly provide their own counters. Creatures, especially any that get really big, will get removed pretty consistently. So getting lots of creatures down and swinging quickly and consistently is essential. This is all, of course, just my 2 cents.
I'll point out that there are enough creatures and spells that it's very possible to build solid mono-white or mono-green +1/+1 creature decks. I actually think it's easier to build a solid deck staying mono-colored - it's possible to go mono-color tribal with Humans, Soldiers, Elves, Allies, Oozes etc. The advantage to going tribal is more than just synergy - it's also a handy framework to round out a deck with advantages while also keeping the deck focused. Going tribal also opens the door to Cavern of Souls and Unclaimed Territory . I'd go so far as to say there are so many really solid +1/+1 counter spells, one of the hardest things about building a deck is narrowing it down to a well-honed point. I'm not saying I think you need to go mono-colored and/or tribal here, just pointing out ways to help focus the deck.
3 weeks ago
A cute idea! +1 from me.
Consider Collected Company since it can grab all your pieces except the Clique itself. You'll also probably want a bit of removal - Fatal Push and Path to Exile are great options in your colors. Mortify , Hero's Downfall , Go for the Throat , and Oblivion Ring are some other, slightly less expensive options if you're operating on a budget.
You'll also definitely want some multicolor lands to ensure you aren't screwed out of a particular color when you need it. If you're on a tight budget, Blossoming Sands , Scoured Barrens , Jungle Hollow , and Sandsteppe Citadel are some real cheap options. A step up from there would be Sunpetal Grove , Fortified Village , Canopy Vista , Temple of Plenty , Isolated Chapel , Temple of Silence , Woodland Cemetery , and Temple of Malady . You don't have to spend all your money on shocks and fetches to have a consistent mana base!
Whatever you decide to do, good luck and have fun!
1 month ago
I think that you could lose a little bit of control. Its pretty heavy and this looks incredibly fast. I'm thinking just stick to Path to Exile and Dissolve . You might want to look at Serum Visions and/or Opt for draw power and scrying. It might be worth it to splash green =, because you get access to Utopia Sprawl which in itself doesn't really matter. However, you get access to the other 2 scry lands, those being: Temple of Plenty and Temple of Mystery . You also get access to protection for your wincons, the best probably being Blossoming Defense or Heroic Intervention . If you don't want to splash green, Apostle's Blessing is good white protection.
2 months ago
There are clear benefits to all three of these, depending on what you need:
Sage is a 2/1, who under appropriate circumstances can be a decent creature. For example, if you are not up against a deck with burn aspects in it, you can always Giant Growth / Brute Force / Mutagenic Growth it for some serious power. Effectively, you are packing a combo-stopper inside of a creature that benefits from the Zoo archetype.
Bond allows you to hit your land drops. Perhaps you are slowed down for some reason. Perhaps you'd like to replace a land or two with more pump or more removal, and thus getting what lands you do have out earlier are all the more important. Perhaps you've gone a bit more budget and opted into lands such as Gruul Turf or are looking to optimize on your draw, so you choose scry lands such as Temple of Plenty . What Broken Bond will allow you to do is tap your land to gain the mana from it, drop your stronger land for the turn that enters tapped, then play Broken Bond to crack down on combo pieces and play the land you just returned to your hand. If you are wise, you returned a basic land so you can replay it untapped and gain an extra mana.
Lastly, Naturalize is just a powerful instant. Once your opponent declares their combo to start, slip in at the right moment and destroy it on the stack and watch their entire combo end.
AKBZ on New to cEDH
2 months ago
Starting with mana base, I would cut any land entering tapped as the only way it enters. You are giving your opponent a Time Walk every time they come into play because it puts you a turn behind. They either should just be basic lands or upgrades, the big ones being City of Brass , Mana Confluence , and Forbidden Orchard . These lands far outweigh things like Bojuka Bog or Murmuring Bosk or Temple of Plenty . Also would cut Razorverge Thicket , Canopy Vista , Fortified Village and High Market . The first three are too conditional and High Market is colorless with no immediate benefit. I would play the pain lands before these lands as they don’t enter tapped and still give you your colors and I would play the fetchlands before the painlands. Keep in mind you can play up too nine fetchlands because they don’t have any color symbols on them. Second, upgrade the tutor package. Vampiric Tutor and Demonic Tutor are the best black tutors in the format, and the reason to be in black. I would consider them higher priority than fast mana rocks. The cuts I would make are Apprentice Necromancer Damnation Day of Judgment Bloodthrone Vampire Qasali Pridemage Altar of Dementia Ashnod's Altar Lotleth Troll Life from the Loam Greater Good and Farseek The sac outlets only come out when you combo, so having excess is deadweight. The board wipes aren’t doing anything to stop fast combo, so they can be cut. The necromancer and pridemage are value, but not enough. I would rather play Assassin's Trophy and Abrupt Decay over those two. Card suggestions Stony Silence Null Rod Abrupt Decay Assassin's Trophy Birthing Pod Nature's Claim Nature's Lore Survival of the Fittest Demonic Tutor Vampiric Tutor Aura Shards Leyline of the Void , Containment Priest and Grafdigger's Cage . If you can’t play fast mana, neither should your opponents. The first two are MUST INCLUDES and the tutors are HIGH PRIORITY. Nature's Lore is a strict upgrade over Farseek . The last three are graveyard hate that hates out the two decks mentioned. I know that you are thinking “but those last two hate out my deck as well”. That is the wrong way to look at them. The first question you should ask is “are the two decks I’m losing too faster than me?” The answer is yes, they are. After that, the next question should be “can I be faster than them?” The answer is no, you can’t be faster than them. Without cards like Gaea's Cradle and Mana Crypt and Mox Diamond and Survival of the Fittest and Demonic Tutor you will never be faster. Even with these cards, this strategy is considered to be slower than the two decks mentioned. Therefore, you have to slow them down at all costs, even if it means you won’t be winning anytime soon. I would say that the hate pieces are MUST INCLUDES. I would cut Hushwing Gryff and Gaddock Teeg as these cards are not helping you fight your meta. The last bit of advice is that you are playing Stax pieces and are playing a Stax deck. The deck needs to fight what you are playing against. Anything that does not do that is unhelpful at best and a game loss at most. Sure, you are playing to a combo finish, but there are multiple turns before that game winning combo, and every card in your opening hand has to slow down your opponent or speed you up. If they are not doing that, they should be cut. Anyhow, this is just my opinion. Hope this helps. Good luck.
2 months ago
@OOBS Thanks for the suggestions. While most of what you are saying makes sense, I have tailored this deck to my specific playgroup. Decks in the playgroup include Sultai Control, Mono Red Hollowed one and a speedy Simic Hive Mind . I can't run many board wipes because otherwise Hollowed one get most of everything back, and Sultai can flat out win the game using Scavenging Ooze . No one other than me uses artifacts/enchantments so Fracturing Gust would (ususally) hurt nobody but myself(unless I needed the life). Settle the Wreckage would work, but only against the Hollowed One deck. Duskwatch Recruiter Flip often replaces Thalia, Heretic Cathar , or maybe Abzan Falconer depending on how aggressive they are or if I need flying. Harmonize is a card I commonly replace with things like Duskwatch Recruiter Flip and Nihil Spellbomb (I play against Storm as well). Dropping Harmonize for Militia Bugler seems like a good idea. And until recently, this deck was relatively budget(being around $150 US) and I wanted to keep it low using basics and Selesnya Sanctuary as well as Temple of Plenty to keep the deck relatively budget. But for some reason the deck price shot up and about doubled and now I'm looking at a more expensive, competitive land base using fetches and such. so i'm going to keep Tireless Tracker in here until later testing. I feel Nihil Spellbomb and Relic of Progenitus are interchangeable. Nihil is cheaper manawise, whereas Relic gives my a card so I'm basically going to base it off price. So I'm going to go for Nihil Spellbomb for the time being.
I'm sorry that this took so long. My day had to go on and I didn't get home until after midnight last night
Temple of Plenty occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.05%
GW (Selesnya): 1.29%
GWU (Bant): 0.62%