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Selesnya Guildgate Discussion
2 months ago
If you're interested in making the deck more competitive, I have some major suggestions for you:
First, let's fix up your mana base. More competitively minded Arahbo decks want to hit early land drops and get threats out ASAP. Regardless if your deck is intended for 1v1 or if you want it to hold its own in multiplayer, you don't want your lands to enter the battlefield tapped. Nearly half of your lands enter tapped, meaning you're going to be behind on mana nearly half of the time! For our purposes, I think it would be better to list the lands that enter tapped that I think would be alright keeping:
I'm not the biggest fan of Evolving Wilds or Terramorphic Expanse in 2 color green decks, as you have so many other ramp/fetch options, but for budget purposes they are perfectly fine inclusions. Anything else that can't tap for mana the turn you drop it doesn't seem worth it to me. With the same logic, I'd be mighty tempted to exclude Temple of the False God as well
As far as replacements go, we need a combination of additional lands and ramp. For the lands, while higher end fetches are nice, we can go for cheaper options (mostly under $5 each) that will provide better mana fixing than Selesnya Guildgate and company:
- Canopy Vista
- Fortified Village
- Mana Confluence - A little on the pricey side, but taps for anything.
- Sunpetal Grove
- Temple of Plenty - Enters tap, but provides a scry!
- Unclaimed Territory - Weaker Cavern of Souls!
Outside of these choices, I'd also add more basic lands. While some of the ETB tapped duals are nice, if you have more ramp options that allow you to select basics from your deck, you can pick and choose what colors you want on the fly:
- Oreskos Explorer - Get Plains out of your deck and into your hand!
- Kodama's Reach - Your second copy of Cultivate
- Farseek and/or Nature's Lore - Get a Forest or Plains from your deck. This includes Scattered Groves! I personally prefer Nature's Lore since the land doesn't enter tapped.
- Rampant Growth - See above, but only for basics.
I've got a few more mana rocks for you to consider as well:
- Selesnya Signet - Signets are staples for 2 color decks. People run it for good reason!
- Talisman of Unity - One of the benefits of ally colors is that you get to run a Talisman, which can be dropped off of a turn 1 Sol Ring for massive ramp early!
- Mind Stone - Personally, I believe this to be better than Dreamstone Hedron since it comes out much earlier, even though the ramp and draw is halved.
- Fellwar Stone - This is better in 3+ color decks, but if you need another cheap mana rock, this is about as good as they get.
- Marble Diamond and Moss Diamond - These are weaker than the others, but they can be drop early and pay themselves off in the long run.
While these cards aren't strictly mana rocks per se, they work similar to Herald’s Horn . I'd exhaust your mana rock options before considering these, however:
- Oketra's Monument and Rhonas's Monument: Reduce the cost of your creature spells while provide extra utility in the form of chumps and pumps.
- Pearl Medallion and Emerald Medallion**: Can be dropped off of a Turn 1 Sol Ring, which is where they'd really shine.
Now that we've got your mana covered, let's talk about your win conditions. One thing I dislike about the deck out of the box is that you're split in a few directions - do you go wide with tokens, do you voltron it up/go tall? In either case, lets consider your finishers for each win-con (outside of Arahbos abilities):
At a glance its easy to see how each of these cards could win you the game, but its worth it to take a more critical look at how each of these work, and the best ways to support them.
Lets start with going wide with tokens.
First, Coat of Arms: Ignoring for now that this boosts your opponents creatures as well, we gotta do some math. Worst case scenario, lets say each of your opponents are at 40 life, and you want to swing for the kill. Math wise, were looking at your cumulative damage across the board being equal X*(X-1)+P, where X is the number of cats you control, and P is your total power. If youre in 1v1, the math is simple, as youre swinging all of your cats at one opponent, but in multiplayer things get trickier, as you have to split your attacks. You may find yourself in a position where you have 80 damage on the board, but due to an uneven number of creatures or differences in power, you can still only kill one of your opponents.
In any case, given the exponential nature of Coat of Arms, the more players youre going up against, the less cats you need to generate per player to win. Still, if youre going for quick kills (Im thinking competitive = win asap), then you want to find a way to drop multiple creatures Turn A, then Turn B cast Coat of Arms and swing. Tokens are the best way of doing this, but as far as dropping a bunch in one turn, your options are currently limited to just White Sun's Zenith, Regal Caracal, and Pride Sovereign, with the latter two being limited to 2 tokens a pop unless you include a token doubler like Anointed Procession.
Ajani, Caller of the Pride I believe should go in nearly every Arahbo deck, given how much synergy it offers to the multiple playstyles Arahbo can support. While getting the Ult off can be tricky, you could easily end up with 20+ cats, which would be enough to kill almost any table.
Nacatl War-Pride is another great finisher that actually works in non-token strategies as well, given the blocks that it forces. If you can enable trample on your creatures across the board, then this can easily kill with Coat of Arms and your opponent just controlling a handful of creatures. Coat of Arms also boosts your creatures that arent attacking the same opponent as War-Pride, so you dont have to be forced to pick off one opponent at a time!
Other than that, flickering Regal Caracal with something like Felidar Guardian could also assist with the token generation.
The same principles above apply to Jazal Goldmane the more tokens you have the better. Jazal costs 9 more cumulative mana than Coat of Arms does, however, so you really want to focus on ramping out as much as you can in order to make the most effective use of him, and in extension your biggest potential token generator, White Suns Zenith.
If youre keen on the tokens route, you can instead focus on getting the most bang for your buck with those tokens. Turn them into mana generators with Cryptolith Rite, or make each individual token a massive threat with cards like Beastmaster Ascension and True Conviction. I particularly like those latter cards because they work well with non-Cat tokens just the same. Im thinking cards like Oketra's Monument like I mentioned earlier, which provides additional tokens for you to use that wouldnt necessarily help out with Coat of Arms. But getting a 6/6 Soldier instead of a 1/1 thanks to Beastmaster Ascension? That seems like a hell of a great deal to me!
For all of the above token strategies, its no surprise that Mirri, Weatherlight Duelist is your best friend. Only being blocked by one creature per opponent means your threats will almost definitely go through. Still, you know that by default, they will also block your strongest creature given the choice. Thankfully, you can take away that choice thanks to Krosan Vorine. Its an old card with the Provoke ability, which also happens to be a Cat Beast! I dont think your deck could be asking for more synergy here this card allows your game ending-threats to go through with ease.
Thats the extent of what I have to offer with token-based wins. Ill cover some general token boons for your deck shortly, but before that Id like to touch on the Tall/Voltron focus your deck has.
If I can speak frankly, I strongly feel that if you want to go the voltron/equipment route, you should make Nazahn, Revered Bladesmith your commander. He is better suited for going for a commander-damage win, and you have equipment toolbox tutoring whenever you need it with him in the command zone. The more I personally playtested my Arahbo deck, I found myself short on actual cats to boost with him when I ran too many equipments. Personally speaking, your deck would be best optimized if you either lessened the equipment focus, or changed the commander.
If you intend to keep the focus as is with Arahbo sitting at the helm, I still have some pointers that should hopefully help you out.
Youre going to want to get Artifacts that give you the most bang for your buck. This can either be in value these equipment provide, or them being high power for their cost.
Skullclamp is included in the base deck, and I feel it should be definitely part of your 99. No, you dont have many 1/1s currently to abuse the draw, but Skullclamps value necessarily stem from repeated draws like youd see in Marath, Will of the Wild and other token decks. Just being able to replace your one card with 2 is immensely valuable. Youre already running Heirloom Blade, and I feel Skullclamp in the long run is more valuable than that card.
Sitting down at competitive tables means youre going to be seeing some big name cards, some that may be too big or expensive for your own deck to run. But that doesnt mean you cant play them still! Look no further than Masterwork of Ingenuity, which copies any other equipment on the field. I cant afford or Umezawa's Jitte, but Im sure Masterwork would be in your budget range.
Speaking of masterworks, Stoneforge Masterwork is a best of both worlds kind of card, working as hybrid between your tall and wide strategies. It effectively turns any one of your cats into a Pride Sovereign, which is nothing to scoff at!
If you have the budget for them, consider some larger (and easier to cast!) equipment threats like Darksteel Plate, Godsend, and Sword of Fire and Ice if youre a real high roller. I wouldnt run any of the other swords given that I believe they all have protection from White or Green, meaning you couldnt boost the same creatures with Arahbo. In a Nazahn deck, however? You could go nuts!
The one additional thing I would offer for you in regards to voltron-ing it up would be to add evasion to your creatures. Trample enablers are nice, but youre missing a pretty significant one in the form of Rancor. Not an equipment, but its cheap and your opponents will be hard pressed to remove it for good. Gryff's Boon is in the same vein on the flying side of things, with similar recursion. While it lacks recursion, Shield of the Oversoul is another aura that will make your creature nigh unstoppable.
Speaking of flying, Fleetfeather Sandals is a slightly weaker version of Swiftfoot Boots that offers flying instead of hexproof. Ive personally been running it in my own Arahbo deck over Lightning Greaves given that Shroud prevents me from targetting my own creatures with Arahbos eminence ability. Ajani, Caller of the Pride (who I mentioned in my token coverage earlier!) also enables flying!
For your tall builds, dont be afraid to branch away from the equipment focus if you stick with Arahbo. In addition to thos enchantments, I personally am I massive advocate of Duelist's Heritage, which you can use to your advantage by encouraging your opponents to take each other out first! It comes out much earlier than Raksha Golden Cub, and while it lacks the additional anthem it provides, being able to swing a few turns in advance with it makes it worth considering.
If you want a quick and dirty equipment win, look no further than Grafted Exoskeleton. With Arahbos eminence, if you enable double strike on the equipped creature, one unblocked attack is guaranteed to knock out an opponent thanks to infect. This very much depends on your playgroup, so please consider it carefully. Im personally a big fan of infect, so I consider this single card one of my primary win-cons in my Arahbo deck, even though theres not as big of an equipment focus as yours.
For the above, youre going to want to be able to toolbox the right equipments and auras for the right scenarios. Open the Armory is a very cheap tutor that would serve you well, which you can later upgrade to Steelshaper's Gift or even Enlightened Tutor.
Anything more Id have to add about your win-cons would be dependent on what direction you eventually take the deck. In the meantime, Id like to cover some general utility and quality of life improvements for your deck!
One thing that would help would be to lower the curve of your deck. Your average CMC is 3.65 currently, meaning most of your cards are being dropped turn 3 or 4, by which point more competitive decks would already have gotten the ball rolling. We can fix this by reducing the number of large cards youre running, or at least making sure that those cards are REAL power plays.
Personally, I dont play anything of CMC of 6 unless I know it can contribute to an actual victory on a regular basis. Cards in your deck like Argentum Armor, Jareth, Leonine Titan, Jedit Ojanen of Efrava, and Spirit of the Hearth are big and flashy but wont turn the game around for you.
Instead, something like Felidar Sovereign is another large cat in the same range, which can add some additional win-cons for you! More low costed threats that can be just as big and deadly like Mirror Entity (technically a cat!), Lost Leonin (gotta love infect!), and Adorned Pouncer (built-in double strike to take advantage of eminence!) would be massive boons that help make you a threat much earlier in the game.
There are also a handful of cards I feel are entirely outclassed in your deck. Relic Crush, for example, is practically a worse version of Sylvan Reclamation which exiles AND has cycling on it. Instant upgrade! Other small removal improvements would be the inclusion of Swords to Plowshares and/or Beast Within, which both offer great utility.
Right now, its difficult for me to suggest some specific cuts, as that is dependent on what direction youd like to take the deck. For now, Id like to offer you a few resources which can hopefully help you make up your mind.
First, my own deck!
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I implement many of the above ideas in my own deck, so hopefully it can give you a good idea of what a more heavily modified Arahbo deck looks like.
Second, this excellent article on MTGGoldfish on upgrading Arahbo on a budget:
If you implemented all of my suggestions, things would add up pretty quickly. This article should give you a quick idea of what some quick easy changes you could make would be.
Third, the CommandCasts podcast episode on the Arahbo deck!
These guys know EDH like the back of their hands, and they offer some insightful tips on how to improve upon the strengths of the Feline Ferocity deck. Another episode of theirs worth watching is the one where they cover the basics of deck construction, which has significantly improved my own deck building after watching:
Finally, the holy grail of EDH utilities: EDHREC!
This page lists the most popular cards used in Arahbo decks. Experiment with the filters, putting in cards youd like to use, or cards you dont like, and see what people with similar tastes are running!
I really hope this all helps. I know I wrote a novel here, but Id love to hear your thoughts on my suggestions, and hopefully we can take things from there!
2 months ago
I love the deck! But I have a question: Why run Vivid Grove & Vivid Meadow? Elfhame Palace, Selesnya Guildgate, & Tranquil Expanse all came in the same precon & do exactly the same thing in this 2-color deck, except they can tap for the 2nd color more than just twice so are strictly-better versions.. & Graypelt Refuge is a strictly-better version of them all (also in the same precon). I actually like Selesnya Sanctuary better than all those, though, since you can tap the land before returning it to your hand, so it basically performs just like the lands previously mentioned, yet also gives you your next land drop guaranteed.
4 months ago
I am new here and I have created one deck for our game group. But I am not sure which variant I should play? Shall I go for Boros or for Selesnya? Feel free to comment any other improvements to the deck that you think would be good.
I own all commons and uncommons of the Ravnica, Return to Ravnica and Theros block twice plus Magic X. Please note that this is a strictly budget deck. I am willing to buy rares as long as they are not more expensive than 1 USD. Also in our group we have the rule not to include more than 4 rares in your decks. This should ensure that the power level of the decks is similar.
Normally we are four or five players and we play free-for-all, two-headed giant and prisma. So the deck needs some defenses.
My deck list is strangely formatted. How do I do a better deck list?
4 months ago
Hey there as promised earlier, here are my suggestions. I will suggest what to take out and possible replacements for each.
(Take out these)Nissa, Voice of Zendikar, Kiora, Master of the Depths,Mystic Barrier, Isperia, Supreme Judge, Dictate of Karametra, Jace, the Living Guildpact, Creeping Renaissance, Garruk Relentless, Praetor's Counsel, Spreading Plague, Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath, Sorin, Grim Nemesis, Primal Surge, Citadel Siege, Jace, Memory Adept.
Also in terms of lands remove: Elfhame Palace, Orzhov Guildgate, Selesnya Guildgate, Tranquil Expanse, Golgari Rot Farm, Selesnya Sanctuary, Azorius Chancery. I could suggest a lot more like Thornwood Falls among others but I feel your wanting to keep the land base fairly budget still correct?
Now let me suggest some replacements...
Cyclonic Rift, Teferi, Temporal Archmage, Supreme Verdict, Anguished Unmaking, Sphere of Safety, Norn's Annex, No Mercy, Sol Ring, Astral Cornucopia, Fellwar Stone, Gilded Lotus, Spike Weaver, Exploration / Burgeoning, Venser, the Sojourner, Merciless Eviction, Skyshroud Claim, Mana Reflection, Rhystic Study, Sylvan Library, City of Brass, Reflecting Pool, Forbidden Orchard, Mana Confluence, Murmuring Bosk, Path to Exile, Swan Song, Disallow, Catastrophe, Mystical Tutor, and Demonic Tutor.
I better cut this to an end here, as I still got to look at your other decklists. But if you are wondering about any of my suggestions here / and or what to add if any from among my suggestions then just let me know!
4 months ago
The first thing you'll want o work on is the mana.
If you can afford it, I would recommend Razorverge Thicket. Graypelt Refuge and Blossoming Sands are basically strictly better than Selesnya Guildgate, as is Scattered Groves. Some good untapped lands are Mana Confluence and City of Brass. You could also try to get Brushland, but it's more expensive and I would prioritize the other lands. It may look silly to play them in a 2-colored deck, but it's worth it for the manabase.
It seems like you really want a turn 1 green source. I would recommend a 9-7 split of Forests and Plains with the current nonbasics.
I would cut the Naturalize from the maindeck and possibly add some Lightning Greaves. Your deck is built around ramping into big creatures, and it feels really bad when you cast a giant angel and it just gets killed by Path to Exile or Flame Slash.
Good start to the deck though! it looks very fun to play.
5 months ago
Ugh, to do the rest, I am just going to drop this text:
Drop 2x Pride Guardian, all artifacts but one Spear of Heliod, 1x Ajani, Caller of the Pride, 3x Ajani's Sunstriker, 4x Ajani's Pridemate, and 3x Healer of the Pride (24 total Cards), add 3x Glorious Anthem, 4x Qasali Pridemage, and 4x Lightning Greaves, 4x Loam Lion, 4x Pride Sovereign, 1x more Fleecemane Lion, and 4x Swiftfoot Boots
5 months ago
Excellent choice in commander. I love my Trostani deck located here: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/trostani-edh-v20/
Trostani is surprisingly quite hard to build correctly reason being it does not remove any elements from your deck. For example Marath, Will of the Wild removes token production so all you need to do is ramp, draw cards and make those tokens better. But even failing that you will still have basic tokens to stall with. With Trostani who is still an awesome commander you have to build all elements into your deck.
I recommend taking all small token generators out of the deck and replacing them with quality token generators such as Crested Sunmare or Giant Adephage. Trostani loves big tokens because of her populate. If you were looking to go small tokens, I'd recommend Rhys the Redeemed as your commander. Things like Geist-Honored Monk, Trostani's Summoner, and Vitu-Ghazi Guildmage would be the ones I'd cut first. finally, Cryptolith Rite becomes bad without little creatures so I'd recommend cutting that too if you end up following my advice.
The second thing that trostani struggles with a lot is getting on the board early because big token generators tend to cost a lot of mana - e.g., Desolation Twin. If you're at a table with aggressive decks, you will likely die quickly if you don't drop something early or ramp into your late game quickly. Ramping on trostani is very important. You have a good start, but I would recommend even more. Kodama's Reach is just another Cultivate which is one of the best ramp cards in commander. Nature's Lore and Skyshroud Claim both put lands in untapped which is huge. Farseek is a nice early ramp that can grab you either a plains or a forest.
luckily, we're in selesnya and selesnya has some of the best land based ramp in the game. Lands like Myriad Landscape, Krosan Verge, and Blighted Woodland are great for ramping. While i'm on the topic of lands, i'd recommend cutting your generic tap-lands such as Tranquil Expanse, Terramorphic Expanse, Selesnya Guildgate, Blossoming Sands, Evolving Wilds, and Graypelt Refuge for just more basic lands. We're not that desperate for color fixing and it's really important to have your lands coming in untapped.
I'll finish up by making a few recommendations from my deck and some cuts i recommend as well. First, Emmara Tandris is a pretty weak card for how expensive she is. Think about what else could go in the 7cmc slot - e.g., Giant Adephage. Intangible Virtue probably isn't good enough for its minimal +1/+1. I'm not sure what your budget is, but Archangel of Thune is an absolute monster in this deck. Darien, King of Kjeldor is sweet too because if you ever take damage, you immediately get all your life back from the tokens coming out if trostani is in play. I recommend swapping out your Green Sun's Zenith for a Chord of Calling because you can instant speed in a Felidar Sovereign right before your turn to just win the game if no one has removal or is tapped out. If you don't have $60 to fork over for a Doubling Season, Primal Vigor can be a nice budget option. The downside to vigor is that it helps everyone at the table but %99 of the time it will be the most useful to you. It's also even better if you know no one in your play group plays a token/counters deck.
You mentioned in your description that this deck is weak to board wipes. I have also had problems with board clear, and I like how you've tried to combat them with cards like Heroic Intervention, Loxodon Hierarch, and Dauntless Escort. I'll have to play test some of these to see how they work.
I am by no means an expert of Trostani. I have been brewing her for a while now, but I bought my trostani deck only about a month ago. So, please take everything I say with a grain of salt. Good luck and feel free to message me with any questions you have.
5 months ago
What I would cut:
- Grasslands, Secluded Steppe, Selesnya Guildgate, Tranquil Expanse, Tranquil Thicket, Grove of the Guardian: I would replace these with 2 of each basic, Gavony Township and either Command Beacon or Mikokoro, Center of the Sea for long-term value and added speed to the deck with less tapped lands.
Sandwurm Convergence: costs too much for what it provides.
Argentum Armor: Seems slow to me. I take your deck to be an aggressive one.
God-Pharaoh's Gift: another card that is good, but is very situational for its cost.
Beastmaster Ascension: seems slow and with a creature count that take to build up, it seems more like a win-more card.
Hour of Promise: only three targets make it seems worth the invest (Cavern of Souls, Westvale Abbey Flip and Path of Ancestry) plus you are running 0 deserts, so you only ever get the 1st part of the card.
Faith's Reward: I would suggest keeping your instants that you wish to respond to an action under 3 CMC. It makes it a lot easier on your deck when comes to being able to play your offensive cards and have mana open for a response to an opponent.
Sylvan Library: one of the best green draw cards in the game. I feel it is worth every penny.
Nature's Claim: Cheap removal that allows you to be very flexible with your turn.
Ghostly Prison: if your truly worried about defending your turf, this is a great deterrent.
Hope all of this help, good luck in your matches in the future! +1